Oh Shut Up. Enough Already, Just Shut Up Snowflakes

[Coyote]

We were talking about your statement on how women are not allowed to worship with men. You remember that right?

One example of MANY. Should we talk about some of the other "horrors?" There are a whole LOT of them.

Among American Muslims?

Among Muslims worldwide of course.

Now you're moving the goal posts again, we've gone from American Muslims and the fallacies of Dearborn to Muslims world wide. That's encompasses a wide variety of cultures, behaviors and practices.

I asked you a pointed question. Don't accuse me of moving goal posts because you can't answer honestly.

You've been shifting goalposts through out this conversation missy.

 

[ChrisL]

Derrr. Maybe that's because THEY are the ones causing all the horror? Makes sense, no?

ya, no.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-mu...0-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

According to that, Latinos and leftists are the biggest threat.

Wow! Did you read that site? What a bunch of crapola! Lol! That site is just reaching to blame anyone other than Muslims for their murderous ways!

I think we are all aware of the history of that portion of the world. They have competing tribes that have been in-fighting for centuries, and that is what they are used to.

 

[ChrisL]

One example of MANY. Should we talk about some of the other "horrors?" There are a whole LOT of them.

Among American Muslims?

Among Muslims worldwide of course.

Now you're moving the goal posts again, we've gone from American Muslims and the fallacies of Dearborn to Muslims world wide. That's encompasses a wide variety of cultures, behaviors and practices.

I asked you a pointed question. Don't accuse me of moving goal posts because you can't answer honestly.

You've been shifting goalposts through out this conversation missy.

I don't think so. I think that would be you, frantically trying to defend your ancient backward ass religious views.

 

[Coyote]

Of course, some Muslims who were born and raised in western civilized society are going to be better behaved than those from shit holes in the ME, where killing and marrying babies (and killing babies) is the thing to do.

"killing and marrying babies" is not a "muslim" thing to do. It's a practice among some cultures islamic and non-islamic.






That won't fit your stereotype though.

It's such a problem in a lot of ME countries that the WHO has become involved. Fuck you and your dishonesty.

Well fuck you and your hypocrisy.

If you truly cared about child marriages or female infanticide you'd be railing about it around the world in particular India, with one of the highest rates of child marriage or Guatamala - right at our doorstep, with a high rate of child marriage. You wouldn't LIMIT your concern to just Muslim countries but you don't give a fuck if it doesn't involve Muslims and that is evident from your complete lack of posting on it.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Poof! I be gone!

 

[ChrisL]

Of course, some Muslims who were born and raised in western civilized society are going to be better behaved than those from shit holes in the ME, where killing and marrying babies (and killing babies) is the thing to do.

"killing and marrying babies" is not a "muslim" thing to do. It's a practice among some cultures islamic and non-islamic.






That won't fit your stereotype though.

It's such a problem in a lot of ME countries that the WHO has become involved. Fuck you and your dishonesty.

Well fuck you and your hypocrisy.

If you truly cared about child marriages or female infanticide you'd be railing about it around the world in particular India, with one of the highest rates of child marriage or Guatamala - right at our doorstep, with a high rate of child marriage. You wouldn't LIMIT your concern to just Muslim countries but you don't give a fuck if it doesn't involve Muslims and that is evident from your complete lack of posting on it.

I've posted many times on the issue of child marriage. It seems to be a huge problem in the Middle East from what I've read by WHO.

 

[ChrisL]

Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts
Germany: Muslim migrant child brides discovered, refugee workers say marriages should remain

November 26, 2016 1:37 pm By Robert Spencer

This shouldn’t surprise anyone, and many more will be found as well. This is because few things are more abundantly attested in Islamic law than the permissibility of child marriage. Islamic tradition records that Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, was six when Muhammad wedded her and nine when he consummated the marriage:

“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)” (Bukhari 7.62.88).

Another tradition has Aisha herself recount the scene:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Bukhari 5.58.234).

Muhammad was at this time fifty-four years old.

Marrying young girls was not all that unusual for its time, but because in Islam Muhammad is the supreme example of conduct (cf. Qur’an 33:21), he is considered exemplary in this unto today. And so in April 2011, the Bangladesh Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini declared that those trying to pass a law banning child marriage in that country were putting Muhammad in a bad light: “Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, [putting] the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge.” He added a threat: “Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women.” The Mufti said that 200,000 jihadists were ready to sacrifice their lives for any law restricting child marriage.

Likewise the influential website Islamonline.com in December 2010 justified child marriage by invoking not only Muhammad’s example, but the Qur’an as well:

The Noble Qur’an has also mentioned the waiting period [i.e. for a divorced wife to remarry] for the wife who has not yet menstruated, saying: “And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women, if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated” [Qur’an 65:4]. Since this is not negated later, we can take from this verse that it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a prepubescent girl. The Qur’an is not like the books of jurisprudence which mention what the implications of things are, even if they are prohibited. It is true that the prophet entered into a marriage contract with A’isha when she was six years old, however he did not have sex with her until she was nine years old, according to al-Bukhari.

Other countries make Muhammad’s example the basis of their laws regarding the legal marriageable age for girls. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: “Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed.”

According to Amir Taheri in The Spirit of Allah: Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution (pp. 90-91), Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful to give their own daughters away accordingly: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house.” When he took power in Iran, he lowered the legal marriageable age of girls to nine, in accord with Muhammad’s example.

 

[Valerie]

THESE are the kinds of people that you are inviting to our country, fools! What in the F is wrong with you people?


In most countries Muslim women...........

the USA is not "most countries". we are great because we are humane, free and brave.

our constitution protects the rights and freedoms of all, not just the ones you aren't afraid of.

 

[Coyote]

Of course, some Muslims who were born and raised in western civilized society are going to be better behaved than those from shit holes in the ME, where killing and marrying babies (and killing babies) is the thing to do.

"killing and marrying babies" is not a "muslim" thing to do. It's a practice among some cultures islamic and non-islamic.






That won't fit your stereotype though.

It's such a problem in a lot of ME countries that the WHO has become involved. Fuck you and your dishonesty.

Well fuck you and your hypocrisy.

If you truly cared about child marriages or female infanticide you'd be railing about it around the world in particular India, with one of the highest rates of child marriage or Guatamala - right at our doorstep, with a high rate of child marriage. You wouldn't LIMIT your concern to just Muslim countries but you don't give a fuck if it doesn't involve Muslims and that is evident from your complete lack of posting on it.

I've posted many times on the issue of child marriage. It seems to be a huge problem in the Middle East from what I've read by WHO.

It's a huge problem in MANY parts of the world but it gets ignored.

 

[ChrisL]

TWO Syrian migrant girls in Germany have been discovered to be child brides, but some youth workers and Muslim leaders said the marriages should not be split up.

Youth workers found the two Syrian girls now living in Germany had been married in their homelands whilst under the age of 16, suggesting a worrying rise in underage marriages due to the migrant crisis.

Under German law marriages are only legal over the age of 18, although can recognised in exceptional cases for over 16s.

Usually marriages involving adolescents between the ages of 14 and 16, even if they can provide legal documentation from their home country, are not recognised.

About 1,500 cases are known to the authorities and recorded with the Foreigners’ Central Register.

But there could be more, unknown cases.

The latest two young couples, who settled in Freising, near Munich, have been in Germany since last year, but only came to light after the area’s Youth Office found out about them from other asylum seekers.

Head of the Youth Office Arabella Gittler-Reichel has stated that the two girls, whose identities have not been revealed, had been given a guardian who look after the women and give them opportunities to learn German and attend school.

While key figures within the Muslim community in Germany have rejected the idea of child marriages, Islet Unal, part of the Islamic community in Freising, denied all should be separated.

He said: “We are in favour of people getting married in their twenties.”

But added that while child marriages should be dissolved he added: “If they were mentally mature for the marriage, you should leave it be. A separation could be another catastrophe, because marriage also provides protection.”

But Imam Malik Usman Naveed from the Ahmadiyya community’s Al-Mahdi mosque said: “Our Muslims are to follow the the Qu’ran, but they should follow German laws as well.”…

What about when the two conflict?

 

[Valerie]

Where America's Terrorists Actually Come From

 

[ChrisL]

I would tend to agree with this person's comment.

I wish people would stop saying sharia law.
It is NOT law, it is LAWLESS.

The central core of islam is sharia, a system which requires adherents to accept murder (jihad and so called honour killings), pedophilia (child brides), extortion (halal certification and jizyah), wife beating and subjugating of women to second class citizens, hatred of anyone who is not muslim and freedom to kill them, rape and prostitution.

What normal free person from a democracy would think that this system is something to be defended?

Yet we have people from western countries defending this animalistic belief system.
Because they are told it’s a religion.
The only other religion in the world that comes close to this is satanism.

Do these same people fight and protest to protect and promote satanism, the Mafia, the triads?
The answer is no.

If people identify themselves as muslim they are inextricably tied to sharia.

Every democratic society should ban islam purely on the grounds that it contravenes the freedom and laws and basic principles of a free and democratic society.

There are probably millions of muslims who would leave islam if they could, but the price of that is death.

That says it all really.

 

[Coyote]

Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts
Germany: Muslim migrant child brides discovered, refugee workers say marriages should remain

November 26, 2016 1:37 pm By Robert Spencer

This shouldn’t surprise anyone, and many more will be found as well. This is because few things are more abundantly attested in Islamic law than the permissibility of child marriage. Islamic tradition records that Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, was six when Muhammad wedded her and nine when he consummated the marriage:

“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)” (Bukhari 7.62.88).

Another tradition has Aisha herself recount the scene:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Bukhari 5.58.234).

Muhammad was at this time fifty-four years old.

Marrying young girls was not all that unusual for its time, but because in Islam Muhammad is the supreme example of conduct (cf. Qur’an 33:21), he is considered exemplary in this unto today. And so in April 2011, the Bangladesh Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini declared that those trying to pass a law banning child marriage in that country were putting Muhammad in a bad light: “Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, [putting] the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge.” He added a threat: “Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women.” The Mufti said that 200,000 jihadists were ready to sacrifice their lives for any law restricting child marriage.

Likewise the influential website Islamonline.com in December 2010 justified child marriage by invoking not only Muhammad’s example, but the Qur’an as well:

The Noble Qur’an has also mentioned the waiting period [i.e. for a divorced wife to remarry] for the wife who has not yet menstruated, saying: “And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women, if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated” [Qur’an 65:4]. Since this is not negated later, we can take from this verse that it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a prepubescent girl. The Qur’an is not like the books of jurisprudence which mention what the implications of things are, even if they are prohibited. It is true that the prophet entered into a marriage contract with A’isha when she was six years old, however he did not have sex with her until she was nine years old, according to al-Bukhari.

Other countries make Muhammad’s example the basis of their laws regarding the legal marriageable age for girls. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: “Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed.”

According to Amir Taheri in The Spirit of Allah: Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution (pp. 90-91), Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful to give their own daughters away accordingly: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house.” When he took power in Iran, he lowered the legal marriageable age of girls to nine, in accord with Muhammad’s example.

Not All Super Heros Wear Capes...
Child Marriages

 

[Valerie]

pssst when you become so terrorized that you're willing to compromise founding principles, you are letting the terrorists win.

 

[Coyote]

Does ChrisL give a damn about forced child marriages if they are not Muslim?

 

[ChrisL]

It is very PREVALENT in Muslim countries. Are you arguing this FACT?

Steeped in cultural and religious acceptance, child marriage has become one of the most pervasive and enduring forms of sexual exploitation of young girls in the Middle East and North Africa.13 Within the region, child marriage takes many forms. Most commonly, these “marriages” resemble business transactions wherein very young girls are sold to much older men, often strangers, for a substantial dowry or forgiveness of a family debt.14 The practice of baad is a traditional method of settling disputes in Pakistan and Afghanistan where a young girl is traded as payment for a financial dispute.15 Some countries also recognize the Islamic practice of siqueh, or temporary marriages, and other forms of short-term contract marriages between young girls and wealthy older men.16 Often, these temporary “marriages” are used as a front for child prostitution, luring young girls away from their homes and into sexual and domestic slavery.17 In certain cultures, most prevalently in Afghanistan, Ethiopia, and Yemen, young girls are abducted and raped most often by young men and older widowers, and subsequently forced to marry their captors to protect their families’ honor.18 C

http://www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Child_Marriage_in_the_MENA_Region.pdf

 

[Coyote]

I would tend to agree with this person's comment.

I wish people would stop saying sharia law.
It is NOT law, it is LAWLESS.

The central core of islam is sharia, a system which requires adherents to accept murder (jihad and so called honour killings), pedophilia (child brides), extortion (halal certification and jizyah), wife beating and subjugating of women to second class citizens, hatred of anyone who is not muslim and freedom to kill them, rape and prostitution.

What normal free person from a democracy would think that this system is something to be defended?

Yet we have people from western countries defending this animalistic belief system.
Because they are told it’s a religion.
The only other religion in the world that comes close to this is satanism.

Do these same people fight and protest to protect and promote satanism, the Mafia, the triads?
The answer is no.

If people identify themselves as muslim they are inextricably tied to sharia.

Every democratic society should ban islam purely on the grounds that it contravenes the freedom and laws and basic principles of a free and democratic society.

There are probably millions of muslims who would leave islam if they could, but the price of that is death.

That says it all really.

Honor killing is not part of Islam - it's cultural.

Halal is "extortion"?

Is Kosher then?

What a weird idea.

 

[Coyote]

It is very PREVALENT in Muslim countries. Are you arguing this FACT?

Steeped in cultural and religious acceptance, child marriage has become one of the most pervasive and enduring forms of sexual exploitation of young girls in the Middle East and North Africa.13 Within the region, child marriage takes many forms. Most commonly, these “marriages” resemble business transactions wherein very young girls are sold to much older men, often strangers, for a substantial dowry or forgiveness of a family debt.14 The practice of baad is a traditional method of settling disputes in Pakistan and Afghanistan where a young girl is traded as payment for a financial dispute.15 Some countries also recognize the Islamic practice of siqueh, or temporary marriages, and other forms of short-term contract marriages between young girls and wealthy older men.16 Often, these temporary “marriages” are used as a front for child prostitution, luring young girls away from their homes and into sexual and domestic slavery.17 In certain cultures, most prevalently in Afghanistan, Ethiopia, and Yemen, young girls are abducted and raped most often by young men and older widowers, and subsequently forced to marry their captors to protect their families’ honor.18 C

http://www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Child_Marriage_in_the_MENA_Region.pdf

It's very prevalent in other parts of the world such as India.

Not a peep out of you.

 

[ChrisL]

http://www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Child_Marriage_in_the_MENA_Region.pdf

In terms of scholarship and international attention, the region is often overshadowed by the child marriage “hotspots” of Sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia. However, with some countries in the region reporting child marriage rates as high as 40 percent21, the MENA region can no longer be ignored.

 

[ChrisL]

It is very PREVALENT in Muslim countries. Are you arguing this FACT?

Steeped in cultural and religious acceptance, child marriage has become one of the most pervasive and enduring forms of sexual exploitation of young girls in the Middle East and North Africa.13 Within the region, child marriage takes many forms. Most commonly, these “marriages” resemble business transactions wherein very young girls are sold to much older men, often strangers, for a substantial dowry or forgiveness of a family debt.14 The practice of baad is a traditional method of settling disputes in Pakistan and Afghanistan where a young girl is traded as payment for a financial dispute.15 Some countries also recognize the Islamic practice of siqueh, or temporary marriages, and other forms of short-term contract marriages between young girls and wealthy older men.16 Often, these temporary “marriages” are used as a front for child prostitution, luring young girls away from their homes and into sexual and domestic slavery.17 In certain cultures, most prevalently in Afghanistan, Ethiopia, and Yemen, young girls are abducted and raped most often by young men and older widowers, and subsequently forced to marry their captors to protect their families’ honor.18 C

http://www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Child_Marriage_in_the_MENA_Region.pdf

It's very prevalent in other parts of the world such as India.

Not a peep out of you.

You will twist and turn to avoid facing the facts, won't you? How pathetic. And you claim that you have "integrity" and you accuse others of moving the goal posts and going off.