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[TemplarKormac]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

11. Oh, so you don't like the 2nd Amendment, do you? Well, you can pry those rights from "my cold dead hands." The Heller case makes it clear that your "common sense" will not find a way into legislation.

12. The 700 Club? Wow, that's reaching. Who watches the 700 Club anymore?

13. See my previous response. Ed Schulz, Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi

14. What did they do? Oh they're rich, take their money!

15. And what did they do?

16. SEIU

17. The AFL-CIO

18. OWS

19. Mike Malloy

20. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, Current TV, New York Times...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Recent Republican POTUS candidates have been too extreme, Juan McCain and Mitt were extremely Liberal and out of the mainstream

 

[Seawytch]

i dont see that....it depends on the topic.....what i do see is that both parties are pretty bad at defending themselves from what the other party says about them....

Pick a topic...any topic. Where do public opinion polls gel with the GOP platform and policies?

the right for gays to be married like non-gays....you can say i am full of shit on this....but the thing failed twice in this pretty Liberal State ......so apparently a hell of a lot of Democrats feel the same as Republicans do....

Not according to national polls. Might work as a platform in Alabama or Mississippi, but not on in a national platform.

 

[Seawytch]

i dont see that....it depends on the topic.....what i do see is that both parties are pretty bad at defending themselves from what the other party says about them....

Pick a topic...any topic. Where do public opinion polls gel with the GOP platform and policies?

why don't you tell us? you proposed the hypothesis....


wanna start with say- obamacare?

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...1-poll-most-voters-dont-back-obamacare-repeal

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Now you're being ridiculous. My "premise"? I pointed out facts and offered an opinion. You may disagree and LOL or ignore my post. But don't lie and pretend, for example, what the GOP is doing on the issue of abortion isn't an attack on women; what the H. of Rep. is doing on the Immigration issue is not an attack on Latinos.

So because Latinos are not given "special exception" to Federal Immigration laws that other immigrants need to abide by, the Republicans are somehow attacking Latinos? Perhaps we need to be treating ALL immigrants the same, instead of singling out and viewing a particular group through the eyes of a solid voting block to keep a certain party in power? Is appeasement more important than following current laws regarding this issue? At least the Republicans aren't desperate enough to overlook what is right for the vast majority of OTHER immigrants, seeking to endure the long legal process to become citizens of the United States under the law.

Add special exception immigration laws to single out one particular group of immigrants with the strong resistance towards ensuring any form of regulated voter integrity in elections, and there is a strong argument towards a party who will use any means to establish an environment that encourages a certainty of power.

Relevancy of the GOP or one party's appeasement over simply enforcing our current Federal laws?

While Latinos might be the largest bloc of illegal immigrants they are not the only ones. In Chicago it is the Poles who are a significant part of the illegal immigrant population. So alienating all illegal immigrants means that the RP is also losing voters amongst Polish-Americans.

Exactly how is naming two groups of illegal immigrants alienating ALL immigrants, when the vast majority who seek to become citizens do so under the requirements of Federal Immigration Laws? Should not ALL immigrants be required to follow the same rules of law and be treated the same, instead of rewarding those who break them and creating "exceptions"? Try explaining your reasoning of "alienation" to those who choose to obey those immigration policies already in place, and wait years to be finally granted US citizenship "legally" so they be reconnected permanently with their loved ones who already went through the same process before them. The Republicans aren't failing, when they can look to current immigration policies that are in place for ALL to follow. It appears others still have chosen the road to exceptions and appeasement, ignoring the rule of Federal Law that the majority of other immigrants still follow by simply OBEYING it. I find it amazing those who feel the Republicans should become the enabler of breaking Federal laws on this issue, just because it's the popular thing to do so. I'm sure appeasing and attaining a block of future voters is so much more respected than following and enforcing the rule of law. However, I believe the Republicans are right to not fear having to stand behind a difficult unpopular decision that defends the equal rights of ALL those who only seek the same exact path to citizenship without catering to exceptions with a certain few for strictly political gain.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Pick a topic...any topic. Where do public opinion polls gel with the GOP platform and policies?

why don't you tell us? you proposed the hypothesis....


wanna start with say- obamacare?

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163253/a...link&utm_term=All Gallup Headlines - Politics

Yeah. Sure.

Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs - First Read

 

[Toro]

A political party shouldn't be a brokerage of interests. It should be vehicle to promote our Godly inspired ideology. I think the best thing the GOP could do is to make itself more ideologically pure and less tolerant of competing ideas. It's best that we drum out those not strictly adhering to dogma that is pure as a fresh snowfall. The tent should be as small as possible. RINOs should be shot.

Forget that we have lost moderates in five of the last six Presidential elections. Ignore that we lost moderates in the worst economy since The Great Depression. We are the party of business. And as any CEO of a business can tell you, the best formula for success is to make your product more appealing to yourself less appealing to everyone else.

Let the purges begin.

 

[Seawytch]

why don't you tell us? you proposed the hypothesis....


wanna start with say- obamacare?

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163253/a...link&utm_term=All Gallup Headlines - Politics

Yeah. Sure.

Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs - First Read

Your links do not support the GOP position of repeal.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

Americans Wary of Health Law's Impact

Yeah. Sure.

Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs - First Read

Your links do not support the GOP position of repeal.

No, they show an overall dissent with its existence. Which trumps your talking point.

 

[GWV5903]

The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and Americans citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

This is one of your fantasy's...

Stick to subjects that deal with reality...

Clearly not.

We need a viable second party offering intelligent, pragmatic candidates interested in pursuing sound and responsible governance.

Currently the GOP is not that party.

When you become perfect let us all know...

All mankind is flawed and will always be flawed...

There is a different ideology between our two party system, checks and balance is the end result...

I find it entertaining to say the least that you can sit here and label the GOP as the unintelligent one that has no interest in sound responsible government, yet we have the DNC pushing Oblammer Care down our throats and you think that it is pragmatic? Talk about having problems seeing outside of your blinders...

The DNC has consistently kept under privileged Americans in a death spiral and you have the nerve to sit here and espouse they are balanced? I know your out of your f'ing mind crazy, but let's try to express some reality...

 

[Trajan]

Pick a topic...any topic. Where do public opinion polls gel with the GOP platform and policies?

why don't you tell us? you proposed the hypothesis....


wanna start with say- obamacare?

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

did you read the article only?

I read the poll.....here;


Page 3, Question 17;

see image

Topline Poll Results - Public Opinion On The Affordable Care Act | The Morning ConsultThe Morning Consult


So, what else?

 

[Wry Catcher]

lets start providing examples of these extremists views, it might be helpful-


1.________________


2._________________


3._________________

1. Anyone who has called out a fellow Republican as a Republican in Name Only for simply agreeing with a Democrat;

2. Those Republicans who supported reform of health care in America until it become a major policy issue under the Obama Administration;

3. Tax hawks who support cutting taxes to the rich and claiming the rich create jobs, and wanting to raise taxes on the working poor;

4. Those who want to deny unemployment benefits and the renewal of UE;

5. Sen. Minority Leader McConnell for his expressed efforts to nullify the Obama Presidency;

6. Those who support the five member of the Supreme Court which voted for CU v. FEC;

7. Those today opposing comprehensive Immigration Reform;

8. Those opposing comprehensive tax reform;

9. Those who opposed the Dream Act.

1. Anyone who has called out a fellow Republican as a Republican in Name Only for simply agreeing with a Democrat;

is that like the Democrats who call fellow Democrats "Blue Dogs" because.....they might be too Conservative for their tastes and may agree with a Republican position?.....

Not at all. We know Blue Dogs (BD's) as conservative Democrats on fiscal matters, but not callous conservatives like the reactionaries on the fringe of the GOP. BD's actually have empathy and understand being poor is not always a consequence of bad habits. In fact, those with bad habits are also accepted as human beings and not a lesser species, and they believe thay should be given the opportunity to mend their ways as do most Democrats and unlike the fringe conservatives who post on this message board.

 

[Trajan]

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

Americans Wary of Health Law's Impact

Yeah. Sure.

Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs - First Read

Your links do not support the GOP position of repeal.

according to your poll-

35 for repeal, 29 for change, 23 let take effect ( which it is NOT) , 8 to defund, 6 don't know etc....

 

[Trajan]

1. Anyone who has called out a fellow Republican as a Republican in Name Only for simply agreeing with a Democrat;

2. Those Republicans who supported reform of health care in America until it become a major policy issue under the Obama Administration;

3. Tax hawks who support cutting taxes to the rich and claiming the rich create jobs, and wanting to raise taxes on the working poor;

4. Those who want to deny unemployment benefits and the renewal of UE;

5. Sen. Minority Leader McConnell for his expressed efforts to nullify the Obama Presidency;

6. Those who support the five member of the Supreme Court which voted for CU v. FEC;

7. Those today opposing comprehensive Immigration Reform;

8. Those opposing comprehensive tax reform;

9. Those who opposed the Dream Act.

1. Anyone who has called out a fellow Republican as a Republican in Name Only for simply agreeing with a Democrat;

is that like the Democrats who call fellow Democrats "Blue Dogs" because.....they might be too Conservative for their tastes and may agree with a Republican position?.....

Not at all. We know Blue Dogs (BD's) as conservative Democrats on fiscal matters, but not callous conservatives like the reactionaries on the fringe of the GOP. BD's actually have empathy and understand being poor is not always a consequence of bad habits. In fact, those with bad habits are also accepted as human beings and not a lesser species, and they believe thay should be given the opportunity to mend their ways as do most Democrats and unlike the fringe conservatives who post on this message board.

Not at all. We know Blue Dogs (BD's) as conservative Democrats on fiscal matters, but not callous conservatives like the reactionaries on the fringe of the GOP.

you have just provided proof positive as to exactly what I covered in the last 2 paragraphs of my post to you on this..... you really think your shit doesn't stink, but everyone else's does ......unbelievable..

 

[Wry Catcher]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

11. Oh, so you don't like the 2nd Amendment, do you? Well, you can pry those rights from "my cold dead hands." The Heller case makes it clear that your "common sense" will not find a way into legislation.

LOL, at least you admit a lack of common sense. The first step to recovery.

12. The 700 Club? Wow, that's reaching. Who watches the 700 Club anymore?

The same who always did, Social Conservatives.

13. See my previous response. Ed Schulz, Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi

As Speaker Nancy Pelosi was an all star, Speaker Boehner is a joke

14. What did they do? Oh they're rich, take their money!

Channeling Rush Limbaugh I see.

15. And what did they do?

As Speaker Madam Pelosi could count votes, and passed bills.

16. SEIU

Represents Government workers. Why do you hate working Americans"

17. The AFL-CIO

Represent working Americans. Why do you hate working Americans?

18. OWS

A legit program, co opted by far left hooligans.

19. Mike Malloy

Who dat?

20. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, Current TV, New York Times...

Media, some owned by very wealthy Americans (vis a vis Fox by a Foreigner) and all part of Corporate America.

 

[Trajan]

and you doubled down.....

 

[Seawytch]

Americans Wary of Health Law's Impact

Yeah. Sure.

Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs - First Read

Your links do not support the GOP position of repeal.

No, they show an overall dissent with its existence. Which trumps your talking point.

No, actually it doesn't. The GOP is stuck on repeal and that's not what people want.

 

[GWV5903]

Americans Wary of Health Law's Impact

Yeah. Sure.

Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs - First Read

Your links do not support the GOP position of repeal.

according to your poll-

35 for repeal, 29 for change, 23 let take effect ( which it is NOT) , 8 to defund, 6 don't know etc....

Square peg, round hole...

The law is an abortion, no one wants it, no one...

72% want it repealed or changed or defunded and they still cannot see the forest for the trees...

You can't fix stupid...

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

11. Oh, so you don't like the 2nd Amendment, do you? Well, you can pry those rights from "my cold dead hands." The Heller case makes it clear that your "common sense" will not find a way into legislation.

LOL, at least you admit a lack of common sense. The first step to recovery.

12. The 700 Club? Wow, that's reaching. Who watches the 700 Club anymore?

The same who always did, Social Conservatives.

13. See my previous response. Ed Schulz, Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi

As Speaker Nancy Pelosi was an all star, Speaker Boehner is a joke

14. What did they do? Oh they're rich, take their money!

Channeling Rush Limbaugh I see.

15. And what did they do?

As Speaker Madam Pelosi could count votes, and passed bills.

16. SEIU

Represents Government workers. Why do you hate working Americans"

17. The AFL-CIO

Represent working Americans. Why do you hate working Americans?

18. OWS

A legit program, co opted by far left hooligans.

19. Mike Malloy

Who dat?

20. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, Current TV, New York Times...

Media, some owned by very wealthy Americans (vis a vis Fox by a Foreigner) and all part of Corporate America.

Your party chose Nancy Pelosi to represent the direction Congress should take, a representative (mind you) from the state with the biggest amount of debt in the union. Then we wonder why our nation has followed the same course of accumulating massive debt. How exactly is that using wisdom and "common sense"?

 

[Trajan]

Your links do not support the GOP position of repeal.

No, they show an overall dissent with its existence. Which trumps your talking point.

No, actually it doesn't. The GOP is stuck on repeal and that's not what people want.

more say yes , in your own poll...oh wait, is this different somehow? and don't even play the majority card