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[Oddball]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

IOW, anyone and everyone who isn't a blood-shooting-out-the-ears, manic, borderline apoplectic, pinko gasbag, like Danny Vermin here.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

While Latinos might be the largest bloc of illegal immigrants they are not the only ones. In Chicago it is the Poles who are a significant part of the illegal immigrant population. So alienating all illegal immigrants means that the RP is also losing voters amongst Polish-Americans.

I find it amazing those who feel the Republicans should become the enabler of breaking Federal laws on this issue, just because it's the popular thing to do so.

You clearly don’t understand the issue.

No one is advocating any laws be ‘violated.’

Hispanic Americans correctly perceive republican opposition to immigration reform as animosity toward Hispanics in general, as a particular class of persons. Where conservatives needlessly fear that a continued influx of ‘Spanish people’ will alter the nature of America, to the disadvantage of whites.

Hispanics aren’t stupid, they understand what is meant by ‘illegals’ and ‘anchor babies,’ as well as calls for the repeal of the 14th Amendment, or to ‘alter’ the Constitution in some way as to end birthright citizenship, all called for by republican politicians.

There are logical, objective, appropriate reasons to enact immigration reform, both with regard to securing the border as well as addressing the issue of undocumented immigrants already in the country.

Republican opposition to immigration reform makes no sense, and Hispanic Americas can only infer that the ‘rationale’ for republican opposition is hostility toward Latinos.

There is no hostility towards Latinos, there is however already a set of Federal laws stating how an immigrant might obtain citizenship. Providing exceptions to the law speaks favoritism towards a particular group who entered this country "illegally", while ignoring the efforts of those who are currently already been in the system for years trying to become United States citizens. Hispanics should not be given a different set of rules from those foreigners who wish to come here from Europe, Asia, or even the Middle East, to enjoy the same opportunities that comes with being an American. We played this game before under President Reagan, and such actions didn't solve the immigration problem.... rather it became the means to justify it and allowed our government to become the enabler to further breaking of the law.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Your party chose Nancy Pelosi to represent the direction Congress should take, a representative (mind you) from the state with the biggest amount of debt in the union. Then we wonder why our nation has followed the same course of accumulating massive debt. How exactly is that using wisdom and "common sense"?

Blaming Madam Pelosi for the debt in CA is formed by bias and ignorance; there is no factual evidence to even suggest a single member of Congress had anything to do with the policies that created a large debt in CA, or the growth of the national debt as speaker under George W. Bush.

California is a liberal state run by a predominantly liberal Democrat legislature since 1972, influenced by liberal policies that currently includes some of the highest taxes in the land including corporate taxes. Yet the state is the highest in debt, twice that of New York which runs in second. The Democrats through Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed controlled the purse strings and the legislature of Congress between 2006 - 2010. Pelosi and Reed also condones an believes in the same liberal policies and government spending that are currently enacted in California, particularly in their belief regarding taxes. It is no secret that they desire, as well as President Obama, to see those same liberal policies enacted in the United States.

 

[Wry Catcher]

LOL. Then why did Obama delay it? Even HE doesn't want it anymore.

That's one very ignorant comment. I hope you were looking for a laugh.

No, it was a statement of fact. The law is collapsing under it's own weight. Yes, I get my laughs from woefully ignorant individuals such as yourself. And from people such as Seawytch who says people actually support this disaster.

You are either a liar, or too dumb to realize you're posting another of the BIG LIES, the most common rhetorical tool of the reactionary right - likely both.

 

[JoeB131]

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NO HE DIDN'T....jesus, how after all this time do you not know that?

The holy of the holies ( the NY Times) paid people to count the votes there after and Bush won by some 490 votes or so, hello.

Actually, what it found was that either one of them could have won, depending on what method you used to count dimpled, hanging, or other varieties of chads. Also, given the pure irregularity of his brother being the governor of the state in question, and the purging of election rolls before the election, a straight up official count was really required.

And again, Gore won the popular vote nationally.

But aside from that; you now sound like one of those whackadoodle who have no issue ala, obamacare and doma being adjudicated by a supreme court but when it comes time to try and justify some (Non) point, all of a sudden the system isn't good enough anymore, " bush stole the election".

I have no issue with ObamaCare being adjuducated by the Supreme Court because it was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the president. In short, the way it's supposed to work. I could go on with the fact that the GOP had no problem with ACA under it's original title, "Romney Care". Of course, when the Black Guy Did It...

For DOMA, the problem with DOMA was that at the time, everyone knew it was as unconstitutional as a feel-good flag burning amendment. It was meant to kick the can down the road.

Final point.- The Electoral College is a horrible way to elect presidents in general. It marginalizes most of us who don't live in one of about 10 "Swing States". And this is also part of the Bush Legacy. Presidents before him really concentrated on winning a national concensus. Now they just try to game the system.

Nixon did not ask for a recount becasue he knew that there was no real mechanism in place to do so in a timely manner and meanwhile the country had to be governed, he told his advisor's no.

No, Nixon didn't ask because he knew he had CLEARLY LOST the popular vote. In short, Baby Bush showed less integrity than Tricky Dick.

 

[JoeB131]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

are you including all those Democrats in this State who also supported it?.....just askin....

A lot of those folks had no idea what they were supporting. The Mormons and their buddies told all sorts of lies about sexually explicit indoctrination in the schools.

 

[JoeB131]

Every partial recount put Al Gore closer to winning, which is why they didn't want a complete recount.

You live in denial of the fact that the Associated Press, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN, St. Petersburg Times, Palm Beach Post, Washington Post and the Tribune Co. paid for a million dollar recount that concluded that if Gore had gotten everything he asked for he would have lost, and I am who has a tenuous grip on reality?

No, guy, you have a tenous grip on reality because you don't take your meds on a regular basis.

Now, your batshittery aside, here's what the Washington Post said about that recount they conducted.

But if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide recount of all disputed ballots, or if the courts had required it, the result likely would have been different. An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore the narrowest of margins.

But the study also found that whether dimples are counted or amore restrictive standard is used, a statewide tally favored Gore by 60 to 171 votes.

Gore's narrow margin in the statewide count was the result of a windfall in overvotes. Those ballots -- on which a voter may have marked a candidate's name and also written it in -- were rejected by machines as a double vote on Election Day and most also would not have been included in either of the limited recounts.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html

 

[Oddball]

Every partial recount put Al Gore closer to winning, which is why they didn't want a complete recount.

You live in denial of the fact that the Associated Press, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN, St. Petersburg Times, Palm Beach Post, Washington Post and the Tribune Co. paid for a million dollar recount that concluded that if Gore had gotten everything he asked for he would have lost, and I am who has a tenuous grip on reality?

No, guy, you have a tenous grip on reality because you don't take your meds on a regular basis.

Now, your batshittery aside, here's what the Washington Post said about that recount they conducted.

But if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide recount of all disputed ballots, or if the courts had required it, the result likely would have been different. An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore the narrowest of margins.

But the study also found that whether dimples are counted or amore restrictive standard is used, a statewide tally favored Gore by 60 to 171 votes.

Gore's narrow margin in the statewide count was the result of a windfall in overvotes. Those ballots -- on which a voter may have marked a candidate's name and also written it in -- were rejected by machines as a double vote on Election Day and most also would not have been included in either of the limited recounts.


Florida Recounts Would Have Favored Bush (washingtonpost.com)

And IF worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't fuck with them.

Florida election law provided only for a recount of ALL ballots, not just the ones political flacks want to cherry pick and claim as disputed.

The election wasn't "stolen".

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

That's one very ignorant comment. I hope you were looking for a laugh.

No, it was a statement of fact. The law is collapsing under it's own weight. Yes, I get my laughs from woefully ignorant individuals such as yourself. And from people such as Seawytch who says people actually support this disaster.

You are either a liar, or too dumb to realize you're posting another of the BIG LIES, the most common rhetorical tool of the reactionary right - likely both.

You do realize that having the government control and reduce health care costs failed in Massachusetts. In fact, Massachusetts health care is the most expensive in the land. The fees attached to HMOs, as a result to Obamacare is the culprit behind the increased insurance policy costs.

Massachusetts ranks as the biggest spender when it comes to health care. The state's $9,278 per-capita figure is a whopping 36% higher than that of the entire country.

7 States With the Highest Health Care Costs - DailyFinance

Beginning in 2014, insurers will be required to pay two new fees as a result of provisions contained in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA).

1 Health Insurance Industry Fee – This fee on health insurers (including HMOs) starts at $8 billion in 2014 and increases year over year before reaching $14.3 billion in 2018. After 2018, it will continue to increase with premium growth. The fee, which applies only to insured business, will be based on each insurer’s share of the taxable health insurance premium base (among all health insurers of U.S. health risks).

2. Reinsurance Assessment – This assessment on health plans totals $25 billion, which will be collected over the three-year period from 2014 through 2016. The majority of the money will be used to fund a reinsurance program, which is intended to lessen the impact of high-risk individuals entering the individual market. The assessment applies to both insured and self-insured commercial medical plans.

http://www.cigna.com/assets/docs/ab...-industry-and-reinsurance-fees-fact-sheet.pdf

When it becomes law, families will save on their premiums,” President Obama declared in his weekly radio address before Christmas, pitching his health care reform.

If only that were so. Nobody who tracks health insurance sees any sign of softening premium prices for people who already have insurance, ObamaCare or not. Premiums for 2010 were up 10% and are predicted to keep growing at the same rate in coming years.

Also, the legislation requires HMOs to pay $7 billion annually in new fees. That will get passed on to individuals and employers who buy the policies. So-called Cadillac health plans will be taxed at 40%, for anything spent on premiums above $23,000 for a family or $8,500 for an individual, according to the latest Senate bill. The $149 billion this is expected to raise over 10 years will also be passed on directly to employers (and their workers) in the form of higher premiums.

Why ObamaCare Will Raise Your Bill - Forbes

 

[The T]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

IOW, anyone and everyone who isn't a blood-shooting-out-the-ears, manic, borderline apoplectic, pinko gasbag, like Danny Vermin here.

'Danny Vermin' LOL!

 

[JoeB131]

["]IF[/SIZE] worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't fuck with them.

Florida election law provided only for a recount of ALL ballots, not just the ones political flacks want to cherry pick and claim as disputed.

The election wasn't "stolen".

Uh, yeah, guy, it was.

We could also talk about how Jeb illegally scrubbed 10,000 minorities from the voting rolls without notifying them.

I used to make these arguments for Bush being valid, that's how I know how lame most of them are.

And frankly, what are you defending? Bush was a horrible president by any objective standard.

 

[Harry Dresden]

10. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

11. The NRA and its callous and self serving argument against common sense gun controls;

12. Pat Robertson, though nearly brain dead, still a force for social conservatives;

13. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann;

14. The Brothers Koch; self serving polluters;

15. Governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida;

16. CPAC

17. The Heritage Foundation

18. Freedom Works

19. Rush Limbaugh

20. Fox News, Sean Hannity and the rest of the "Ain't (Obama, liberals, Democrats, progressives) Awful" talking heads and 'guests'

. Those who supported Prop. 8 in CA and the Mormon Church for providing financial support for that amendment to the State Constitution;

are you including all those Democrats in this State who also supported it?.....just askin....

A lot of those folks had no idea what they were supporting. The Mormons and their buddies told all sorts of lies about sexually explicit indoctrination in the schools.

come on Joe..... are you saying the Democrats in this State are so dam stupid they could not understand the Ballet?.....and are you telling me that the Democrats are going to be swayed by what the fucking Mormons tell them?....sounds like excuses to me.....the Democrats just dont want to admit that same sex marriage is just not that well received.....even by their own people....

 

[JoeB131]

[

come on Joe..... are you saying the Democrats in this State are so dam stupid they could not understand the Ballet?.....and are you telling me that the Democrats are going to be swayed by what the fucking Mormons tell them?....sounds like excuses to me.....the Democrats just dont want to admit that same sex marriage is just not that well received.....even by their own people....

I think most voters are kind of stupid regardless of party.

And, yes, the Mormons engaged in a lot of shenannigans trying to get Prop 8 passed.

Prop. 8 Campaign Violated Disclosure Laws, Says Commission, Faces $49,000 Fine (PHOTOS)

Which is probably a large part of the reason why the state officials- republican and democrats, refused to defend it in court.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Your party chose Nancy Pelosi to represent the direction Congress should take, a representative (mind you) from the state with the biggest amount of debt in the union. Then we wonder why our nation has followed the same course of accumulating massive debt. How exactly is that using wisdom and "common sense"?

Blaming Madam Pelosi for the debt in CA is formed by bias and ignorance; there is no factual evidence to even suggest a single member of Congress had anything to do with the policies that created a large debt in CA, or the growth of the national debt as speaker under George W. Bush.

California is a liberal state run by a predominantly liberal Democrat legislature since 1972, influenced by liberal policies that currently includes some of the highest taxes in the land including corporate taxes. Yet the state is the highest in debt, twice that of New York which runs in second. The Democrats through Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed controlled the purse strings and the legislature of Congress since 2006. Pelosi and Reed also condones an believes in the same liberal policies that are currently enacted in California, particularly in their belief regarding taxes. It is no secret that they desire, as well as President Obama, to see those same liberal policies enacted in the United States.

Wrong and complete bullshit.

1. One of CA's biggest issues is overcrowded prisons, a direct result of "tough" on crime Republicans who ran on "use a gun, got to prison", three strikes & 25 to life and along with the liberals supported a change from indeterminant to determinant sentencing. they cut the number of parole agents along with the need for inmates to behave, take classes and accept counseling. Also they eliminated conjugal visits as too soft.

Each session the legislature made more and more crimes ineligible for probation, thus raising the number of prison commitments each year.

The result: overcrowded prisons, high medical costs, gangs, high stress on the line, overtime costs for CO's as well as larger numbers of staff injuries.

2, CA has a large number of non citizens in our penal system, both county and state. The Federal Government refuses to pay for these costs.

3. The population of CA continued to grow but the Republicans in the legislature refused to raise taxes and made it next to impossible for counties and special districts to raise revenue.

4. I could go on but the willfully ignorant have already stopped reading, if they actually ever started.

 

[Seawytch]

No, they show an overall dissent with its existence. Which trumps your talking point.

No, actually it doesn't. The GOP is stuck on repeal and that's not what people want.

LOL. Then why did Obama delay it? Even HE doesn't want it anymore.

You're just displaying your ignorance. One small part of the ACA is being delayed one year to allow more time to get all the pieces in place. Our Healthcare system is immensely complicated and its a heavy lift. Why wouldn't you appreciate the flexibility?

 

[Seawytch]

the right for gays to be married like non-gays....you can say i am full of shit on this....but the thing failed twice in this pretty Liberal State ......so apparently a hell of a lot of Democrats feel the same as Republicans do....

Not according to national polls. Might work as a platform in Alabama or Mississippi, but not on in a national platform.

like all polls it depends on who is doing it......

Okay. Show me the national poll that doesn't.

 

[Wry Catcher]

[

come on Joe..... are you saying the Democrats in this State are so dam stupid they could not understand the Ballet?.....and are you telling me that the Democrats are going to be swayed by what the fucking Mormons tell them?....sounds like excuses to me.....the Democrats just dont want to admit that same sex marriage is just not that well received.....even by their own people....

I think most voters are kind of stupid regardless of party.

And, yes, the Mormons engaged in a lot of shenannigans trying to get Prop 8 passed.

Prop. 8 Campaign Violated Disclosure Laws, Says Commission, Faces $49,000 Fine (PHOTOS)

Which is probably a large part of the reason why the state officials- republican and democrats, refused to defend it in court.

Gov. Brown and AG Harris are both Democrats, and they decided not to defend Prop. 8.

 

[Seawytch]

why don't you tell us? you proposed the hypothesis....


wanna start with say- obamacare?

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

Wytch.....lots of people would like to see Health Care Reform and people get the care they need.....but a hell of a lot of people dont like many parts of what has been foisted on us and the idea of the Govt. running the show......so i guess we will find out eventually who is right....

Wrong. Lots of people that don't like the ACA don't think it went far enough. 70% supported a public (government) option while this debate was raging. Much of the opposition to the ACA is that there is too much private in our healthcare.

 

[dilloduck]

Go ahead. The GOP stance is repeal. That's not what national polls show that people want.

Poll: Most voters don't back ObamaCare repeal - The Hill's Healthwatch

Wytch.....lots of people would like to see Health Care Reform and people get the care they need.....but a hell of a lot of people dont like many parts of what has been foisted on us and the idea of the Govt. running the show......so i guess we will find out eventually who is right....

Wrong. Lots of people that don't like the ACA don't think it went far enough. 70% supported a public (government) option while this debate was raging. Much of the opposition to the ACA is that there is too much private in our healthcare.

We have been lied to about the price. We can't afford it. Printing money will kill us quicker than cancer.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You live in denial of the fact that the Associated Press, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN, St. Petersburg Times, Palm Beach Post, Washington Post and the Tribune Co. paid for a million dollar recount that concluded that if Gore had gotten everything he asked for he would have lost, and I am who has a tenuous grip on reality?

No, guy, you have a tenous grip on reality because you don't take your meds on a regular basis.

Now, your batshittery aside, here's what the Washington Post said about that recount they conducted.

But if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide recount of all disputed ballots, or if the courts had required it, the result likely would have been different. An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore the narrowest of margins.

But the study also found that whether dimples are counted or amore restrictive standard is used, a statewide tally favored Gore by 60 to 171 votes.

Gore's narrow margin in the statewide count was the result of a windfall in overvotes. Those ballots -- on which a voter may have marked a candidate's name and also written it in -- were rejected by machines as a double vote on Election Day and most also would not have been included in either of the limited recounts.


Florida Recounts Would Have Favored Bush (washingtonpost.com)

And IF worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't fuck with them.

Florida election law provided only for a recount of ALL ballots, not just the ones political flacks want to cherry pick and claim as disputed.

The election wasn't "stolen".

The election was stolen. Keep in mind Odd-Dude is a liar and engages in half-truths. Katherine Harris, the Sect. of State in FL did what she was told and as a reward was given a seat in Congress.