Our Hydrogen Future

[Carl in Michigan]

We were on this track until Obama started the push to battery cars

 

[my2¢]

We'll just have to wait and see where it heads. I never thought we should put all our eggs in one basket.

 

[ReinyDays]

We get hydrogen from fossil fuels ... very carbon intensive ... we need to rid ourselves of passenger vehicles; pistoned, EV and hydrogen ... we tried this in California and batteries are cheaper ... there is no hydrogen gas left on Earth except what man-kind produces ... it takes energy to produce, energy that's not returned when we burn it again ...

Too lazy to ride a bicycle? ...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Too lazy to ride a bicycle? ...

Man ain't going back to 1800

 

[ReinyDays]

Man ain't going back to 1800

Don't you mean 1974? ... the OPEC embargo ... or perhaps 1879, the first chain-driven modern bicycle? ... 1800 was the year Alessandro Volta discovered the electric battery ... and man-kind's introduction to current electricity ...

The issue is making hydrogen is carbon and energy intensive ... and the returns are worse than current battery technology using the energy from just burning the methane to begin with ...

 

[Captain Caveman]

We get hydrogen from fossil fuels ... very carbon intensive ... we need to rid ourselves of passenger vehicles; pistoned, EV and hydrogen ... we tried this in California and batteries are cheaper ... there is no hydrogen gas left on Earth except what man-kind produces ... it takes energy to produce, energy that's not returned when we burn it again ...

Too lazy to ride a bicycle? ...

Have you ever tried carrying a cement mixer and a pallet of bricks on a bike for 50 miles?

 

[saveliberty]

I'm invested in this company.

Joby completes landmark 523-mile hydrogen-electric flight | Joby

Joby announced it has successfully flown a first-of-its-kind hydrogen-electric air taxi demonstrator 523 miles, with water as the only by-product.

www.jobyaviation.com

 

[ReinyDays]

Have you ever tried carrying a cement mixer and a pallet of bricks on a bike for 50 miles?

Have you ever tried carrying a cement mixer and a pallet of bricks in a passenger vehicle ...

Either of the above would overload a 1/2-ton pussy F-150 pick-up ... I rented a U-Haul and didn't care ...

 

[Captain Caveman]

Have you ever tried carrying a cement mixer and a pallet of bricks in a passenger vehicle ...

Either of the above would overload a 1/2-ton pussy F-150 pick-up ... I rented a U-Haul and didn't care ...

No, hence why I drive a diesel van with a 10ft trailer.

If I had a pen pushing job within a few miles, I would consider a bike or a crappy EV. To be realistic with transport, battery is really no good, hydrogen makes more sense.

 

[Mac-7]

We get hydrogen from fossil fuels ... very carbon intensive ... we need to rid ourselves of passenger vehicles; pistoned, EV and hydrogen ... we tried this in California and batteries are cheaper ... there is no hydrogen gas left on Earth except what man-kind produces ... it takes energy to produce, energy that's not returned when we burn it again ...

Too lazy to ride a bicycle? ...

So you want us to ride bicycles?

Thats not a practical idea

 

[ReinyDays]

No, hence why I drive a diesel van with a 10ft trailer.

If I had a pen pushing job within a few miles, I would consider a bike or a crappy EV. To be realistic with transport, battery is really no good, hydrogen makes more sense.

Then why are you arguing for passenger vehicles? ... and you haven't explained why burning hydrogen is better than burning methane ... and I'd like to see your energy calculations ... my contention is directly burning the fossil fuels in our rigs is cheaper than all this extra energy-intensive processing ... batteries or hydrogen ...

EVs work well where electricity is cheaper than fossil fuels ... and they work well for the typical pencil-pusher ... I worked as a grunt laborer in a lumber mill and I rode my bike to and from the mill, about 10 miles one way ... 25 minutes average ... through town it was actually faster than driving ...

I understand why 18-wheelers and "diesel vans with a 10ft trailer" are important ... these are the rigs that allow me to claim I only fill-up once a month whether I need to or not ...

Do not forget ... induction electric motors only have one moving part ... how many does your diesel engine have? ... my power saw motor is over 50 years old and it has never been serviced ... and you should know as a professional carpenter, I use that saw everyday ... the motors used in EVs have five moving parts, two brushes, two springs and the communtator ...

 

[22lcidw]

Don't you mean 1974? ... the OPEC embargo ... or perhaps 1879, the first chain-driven modern bicycle? ... 1800 was the year Alessandro Volta discovered the electric battery ... and man-kind's introduction to current electricity ...

The issue is making hydrogen is carbon and energy intensive ... and the returns are worse than current battery technology using the energy from just burning the methane to begin with ...

Civilization needs the cheapest costs for energy. People die otherwise. As long as it is not you let's do what is stylish. The name Fossil fuel is a misnomer. The earth is constantly producing hydrocarbons. If electric is our future than it will get here with a minimum of disruption to our lifestyles and not the anarchy and chaos of Progressive Socialists which you guys seem to love in everything. Of course, the Progs at the top of the food chain or a distance away from the peasants not living well can afford to sound benevolent and on the same side. As long as the lower scum of the peasant class stay away or keep their distance. The soccer moms are peasants and do not know it. They will soon enough.

 

[ReinyDays]

Civilization needs the cheapest costs for energy. People die otherwise. As long as it is not you let's do what is stylish. The name Fossil fuel is a misnomer. The earth is constantly producing hydrocarbons. If electric is our future than it will get here with a minimum of disruption to our lifestyles and not the anarchy and chaos of Progressive Socialists which you guys seem to love in everything. Of course, the Progs at the top of the food chain or a distance away from the peasants not living well can afford to sound benevolent and on the same side. As long as the lower scum of the peasant class stay away or keep their distance. The soccer moms are peasants and do not know it. They will soon enough.

We have hydro-power here ... and cheapest-in-the-nation electric rates ... not to mention profuse amounts of clean mountain spring water, it's a nuisance, but it does turn hydro-turbines like crazy ...

But if you live in coal country, then burn coal ... why bother with hydrogen? ...

 

[Captain Caveman]

Then why are you arguing for passenger vehicles? ... and you haven't explained why burning hydrogen is better than burning methane ... and I'd like to see your energy calculations ... my contention is directly burning the fossil fuels in our rigs is cheaper than all this extra energy-intensive processing ... batteries or hydrogen ...

EVs work well where electricity is cheaper than fossil fuels ... and they work well for the typical pencil-pusher ... I worked as a grunt labourer in a lumber mill and I rode my bike to and from the mill, about 10 miles one way ... 25 minutes average ... through town it was actually faster than driving ...

I understand why 18-wheelers and "diesel vans with a 10ft trailer" are important ... these are the rigs that allow me to claim I only fill-up once a month whether I need to or not ...

Do not forget ... induction electric motors only have one moving part ... how many does your diesel engine have? ... my power saw motor is over 50 years old and it has never been serviced ... and you should know as a professional carpenter, I use that saw everyday ... the motors used in EVs have five moving parts, two brushes, two springs and the commutator ...

I'm not arguing for anything, I gave my opinion. Bikes and EV's are great if you wish to tootle about within a few miles. My circumstances requires a van, electric is a laugh.

No one has asked me about burning hydrogen or methane.

The number of moving parts is irrelevant to me, but priority to others. The ability for the vehicle to achieve my needs, be convenient, and economical is what's relevant to me. If some can't service and repair their own vehicle, I imagine moving parts would move up their priority list.

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm not arguing for anything, I gave my opinion. Bikes and EV's are great if you wish to tootle about within a few miles. My circumstances requires a van, electric is a laugh.

No one has asked me about burning hydrogen or methane.

The number of moving parts is irrelevant to me, but priority to others. The ability for the vehicle to achieve my needs, be convenient, and economical is what's relevant to me. If some can't service and repair their own vehicle, I imagine moving parts would move up their priority list.

You must be worried ... because you're defending your lame opinion ... you must know how selfish it sounds ... why are you participating in a thread dedicated to discussing hydrogen fuel if you're not here to discuss hydrogen fuel ... you're just here to spew poison or something? ...

Curious, just how much cement do you pack in your van? ... what's the weight limit? ... how many trips to Home Despot to pour a garage floor? ... yeah, something doesn't make sense with your claims ... batch plants usually have their own mixers ... but you need a van to haul frameworks ... see how silly that sounds ...

You're against EVs for strictly political reasons, you're that shallow ...

 

[Captain Caveman]

You must be worried ... because you're defending your lame opinion ... you must know how selfish it sounds ... why are you participating in a thread dedicated to discussing hydrogen fuel if you're not here to discuss hydrogen fuel ... you're just here to spew poison or something? ...

Curious, just how much cement do you pack in your van? ... what's the weight limit? ... how many trips to Home Despot to pour a garage floor? ... yeah, something doesn't make sense with your claims ... batch plants usually have their own mixers ... but you need a van to haul frameworks ... see how silly that sounds ...

You're against EVs for strictly political reasons, you're that shallow ...

I'm not worrying about anything. I'm semi retired, fully retiring in a few years. The problem with finding anything electric to suit the trade is their problem, it won't be mine. I'm one of the lucky few that enjoyed things that worked. If you get a tradesman and you're gobsmacked at the quote, then please have the brains to blame your own stupidity. All I can do is spell it out to you.