Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice

[Mashmont]

“America is a different place, with most of its population born after Roe was decided. And a decision to overturn Roe — which the court seems poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito — would do more to replicate Roe’s damage than to reverse it.

It would be a radical, not conservative, choice.

What is conservative? It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and the institutions established to uphold it — especially when those changes are instigated from above, with neither democratic consent nor broad consensus.”

Opinion | Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice (Published 2022)

An abrupt and profound change to an established law is utterly destructive to respect for the law.

www.nytimes.com

Overturning Roe is therefore repugnant to conservativism – it is radical, extreme, reckless, and irresponsible.

Except Roe v Wade was a radical ruling itself. It's reversal is restoring the former conservative situation.

 

[Mashmont]

Here's a clip from yesteryear about the hypocrisy of conservatives.

Ah, the leftwing's favorite drug addicted alcoholic life coach. You did realize Carlin's life was such a trainwreck, he had to enter rehab at age 67, didn't you?

 

[Mashmont]

The Rightwing penchant overturning long established precedent and established late, for putting in political judges and creating tbe most politically activist court since FDR almost a century ago….is indeed reckless.

The Supreme Court is losing credibility as being an impartial judiciary is being eroded in the eyes of many American. This isn’t good for our country. Neither is the possible precedent of giving individual rights and then taking them away.

What about the court losing credibility as being an impartial judiciary when they made gay marriage the law of the land? Even leftwing justice John Roberts was incredulous over that.

 

[meaner gene]

That is great. Punish the rapist. I am sure that makes the victim, who you are now FORCING to bear the child feel good about being FORCED to then give birth, and then make a horrible choice about whether to give it up or keep it when she could have gotten rid early in the pregnancy.

A raped woman who is forced to carry the child to term is more likely to die from pregnancy/childbirth, than a rapist to be sentenced to the death penalty.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

As important, that such a law rests on the winds of political change. That the following congress or even the same congress could reverse it.

The law givith and the law taketh away.

You can't treat rights as changeable upon demand.

Please send a couple of decoder rings to aid me. Your post lacks any sense relative to my response to another!

As a loved one reminded me upon reading your thoughts, "It's a sad commentary on the education industry in this nation today."

 

[Devils_Advocate]

No it isn’t actually and it is the correct course and why?

The reality is Roe vs Wade is in fact a State to State issue and it is your responsibility to have the changed to what you feel should reflect on abortion.

If you want California Laws and live in Texas then you will have to Convince the Hispanic and Black voting base that they need to elect candidates that will support your version of what types of abortion should be allowed.

This has nothing to do with Conservatism when it come to Fiscal but on Social it does and you know that but what it truly has to do with is Religious views and if Utah or Texas want a more conservative approach to Abortion rights, well truthfully that is their right until you pass that Amendment granting abortion equally across this country…

 

[skews13]

“America is a different place, with most of its population born after Roe was decided. And a decision to overturn Roe — which the court seems poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito — would do more to replicate Roe’s damage than to reverse it.

It would be a radical, not conservative, choice.

What is conservative? It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and the institutions established to uphold it — especially when those changes are instigated from above, with neither democratic consent nor broad consensus.”

Opinion | Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice (Published 2022)

An abrupt and profound change to an established law is utterly destructive to respect for the law.

www.nytimes.com

Overturning Roe is therefore repugnant to conservativism – it is radical, extreme, reckless, and irresponsible.

it isn't a choice. it's religious fanaticism waging war against Democracy.

You can't have individual freedom and religious liberty. They are totally anathema to eachother.

So it comes down to a choice.

Individual freedom

Or

Religious authoritarianism

You're going to have to choose one or the other.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Dipshit.....the democrats use it when they are out of power too...you moron. it is a check on the power of government.

Damn 2A, you get more obtuse and incapable of understanding simple English verbiage each and every time I encounter one of your posts on this board. You and Chica would make quite a pair teaming up!

 

[iceberg]

the left has had plenty of time to make this law and be done with it. they choose instead to use to like now, fire up a base over an issue.

their own fault for making it political and it resolving problems.

 

[westwall]

You're referring to the 5th amendment, i'm talking about article 5.

Article 5 is subject to the 5th, or do you not understand the COTUS?

 

[easyt65]

“America is a different place, with most of its population born after Roe was decided. And a decision to overturn Roe — which the court seems poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito — would do more to replicate Roe’s damage than to reverse it.

It would be a radical, not conservative, choice.

What is conservative? It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and the institutions established to uphold it — especially when those changes are instigated from above, with neither democratic consent nor broad consensus.”

Opinion | Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice (Published 2022)

An abrupt and profound change to an established law is utterly destructive to respect for the law.

www.nytimes.com

Overturning Roe is therefore repugnant to conservativism – it is radical, extreme, reckless, and irresponsible.

Removing legislative decision-making responsibility from the hands of politicians who have proven themselves in the last years to be the most corrupt, most criminal, most treasonous, most self-serving, most oppressive enemies of the state and placing that authority to self-legislate back into the hands of the people is somehow 'RADICAL' to extremists and snowflakes?!

The same politicians who demanded commitment to the USSC's rulings are now the same people are calling g for violence against them, attempting to undermine and destroy the court, and are declaring the entire USSC to be an ILLEGITIMATE Court.


The same people demand they get their way and have the authority to dictate their agenda on the rest of the country....

- Are the same ones who are throwing a treasonous insurrection now because they are not getting their way and demand

The same ones who are declaring they are the best to decide Constitutionality of law are the very same ones who have and continue to violate both Constitition and Rule of Law:
- Russian Collusion Scandal

- Faux Imprachment coup attempts during which Democrats were caught breaking laws

- Presidents, VPs, the NSA, CIA, FBI committing crimes against Americans and the nation

- Democrats inciting an assassination attempt on and shooting of fellow opposition party lawmakers ... and now are inciting the same type of violence against USSC Justices

- Refusing to denounce the USSC Leak, doxxing of the court, 'insurrections' (and instead are calling for them), and violence against and intimidation of Justices

- Incited and encouraged violent BLM and Antifa terrorist activity that involved looting, burning, destroying, and killing while perpetrating billions of dollars in damage in property communities....

Democrats, Iberal extremists have done these yet they believe they are best to make laws and judge Constitutionality then force their agendas on us?

Democrats have demonstrated they either don't know the law and Constitution or don't care about ant of it:

- Federal Democrats - Pelosi and others - have been caught multiple times breaking Insider Trading Laws. Each time they have claimed they did not know those laws applied to them, swore they would write new legislation making it illegal for politicians to engage in Insider Trading EVEN THOSE LAWS ALREADY EXIST & refused to allow any of themselves to he charged with criminally making their millions
-- How can criminal repeat offenders be entrusted with making and forcing laws on the rest of us when they are continuous caught breaking the same laws and others?


The Democrats' Head of the Judicial Committee, the Guy who is supposed to know law and make sure the Justice system operates legally actually ORDERED the US AG TO BREAK US LAW...AND THEN LED DEMOCRATS IN ADMINISHING THE US AGFOR REFUSING TO BREAK THE LAW FOR DEMOCRAT BENEFIT. Fat-ass Jerry Nadler riminally abused his Committee position and power.

And there are so many other examples, almost daily, showing how corrupt, criminal, treasonous, self-serving, US govt undermining they are while they insist to get their way and that they are the only ones who can be entrusted to run the country.

NOT taking more power from them, or at least power they have no Constitutional authority to wield, and giving it back to the states would be 'radical',, not to mention a mistake.

 

[OKTexas]

“America is a different place, with most of its population born after Roe was decided. And a decision to overturn Roe — which the court seems poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito — would do more to replicate Roe’s damage than to reverse it.

It would be a radical, not conservative, choice.

What is conservative? It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and the institutions established to uphold it — especially when those changes are instigated from above, with neither democratic consent nor broad consensus.”

Opinion | Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice (Published 2022)

An abrupt and profound change to an established law is utterly destructive to respect for the law.

www.nytimes.com

Overturning Roe is therefore repugnant to conservativism – it is radical, extreme, reckless, and irresponsible.

Wow, you just described perfectly how Roe was imposed on the nation, reversing that grievous error has been in the works ever since. It's you commies that are disrespecting our institutions and the rule of law by trying to intimidate judges that are simply following the Constitution.

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Supreme Court is losing credibility as being an impartial judiciary is being eroded in the eyes of many American.

True.

And the reason why this Court is losing credibility is the same reason why conservativism in general has lost credibility – hypocrisy, inconsistency, and capricious partisan politics in place of adhering to conservative dogma.

 

[OKTexas]

Article 5 is subject to the 5th, or do you not understand the COTUS?

Article 5 is the methods by which the Constitution can be amended and has nothing to do with the 5th amendment, which says a defendant can't be compelled to testify against themselves.

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

I don’t think fundamental rights should be determined at the state level….

They shouldn’t be determined at any government level – it’s because our rights are fundamental and inalienable that they’re immune from attack by government or popular vote.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It’s a reactionary choice.

The idea being to go back to a time before Roe…

It’s radical and extreme, anti-democratic and devoid of consensus, and clearly not ‘conservative.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Killing innocent humans in their first stages of life is repugnant to liberalism.

Yes, it's time to retire the world "liberal" from American politics. Is there anyone on the left that prefers the right to life over the convenience of death?

What makes overturning Roe radical, extreme, reckless, and irresponsible is that it enhances the authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

Actual conservativism – consistent with conservative dogma – would be to uphold Roe/Casey, limiting government authority.

But conservatives haven’t followed that dogma for at least the last 50 years; conservativism has instead become reactionary, extreme, neo-fascist, and authoritarian.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The REAL ISSUE is that the radical left refuses to accept any outcome. Give them legal abortion at 14 weeks and they will demand 20 weeks. Hell give them late term baby abortions up until birth and they will demand the right to kill a baby up to 1 year after it's birth.

You can't negotiate with the radical left, they are insane.

The real issue is the hypocrisy of the right, the failure to consistently adhere to conservative doctrine and dogma.

Instead, conservatives pursue capricious, subjective partisan ideology: ‘ban’ abortion and violate the right to privacy because we don’t like abortion, because of our personal, subjective opinions as to when life begins, compel others through force of law to believe our personal, subjective opinions.

 

[eddiew37]

TRUMP: Pro-choice serial sexual assailant. KAVANAUGH: Perjurer accused of sexual assaults. THOMAS: Spouse of an insurrectionist leader. GORSUCH: Lied under oath about deeming Roe “settled law.“ BARRETT: Occupier of​

a stolen SCOTUS seat.
WHO ENDED ABORTION RIGHTS?


https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1523044527631736847

 

[Orangecat]

conservativism has instead become reactionary, extreme, neo-fascist, and authoritarian.

You project like a movie theater employee.