Paul Ryan: The "Clever" racist

[Stephanie]

there's nothing clever about any of you libs in this thread either

but you think after 6 years of being accused of being a Racist by you and Democrats for Everything and Anything is going to win you an election, I'd say you might think again

I believe the people fed up with it, you and the Democrat party

 

[Mac1958]

don't you know, only Democrats are ALLOWED to speak about "black" people

it's because they feel they OWN THEM

that's the clever little racist in them...

Holy crap.

Interesting point.

Talk about irony, huh?

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[The T]

Maybe the thing people should looking at and asking is this is Ryan's statement accurate instead of is it racist.

Well, it isn't accurate.

It would be accurate if there were tons of jobs remaining unfilled and black guys weren't applying for them.

But that isn't simply the case.

The reality is, if you send in a resume with a typical "black" name, you are 50% less likely to get a callback for an interview even if you have the exact same qualifications as someone with a "White" name. And this is just a simple truth.

James Wallace gets a call back.
Jamal Washington doesn't.

Bullshit! The racism excuse is so old and tired already. AThe fact is there is some racism out there, but there is also a self destructive culture that is the bigger problem. Using racism as an excuse for every problem blacks have doesn't do anyone any good. How do you expect solutions if you can't admit what the true problems are. People like you are part of the problem. Btw, those are two black sounding names, idiot.

And that same culture is ENABLED by Democrats...and blamed on Conservatives, Republicans.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe the thing people should looking at and asking is this is Ryan's statement accurate instead of is it racist.

Well, it isn't accurate.

It would be accurate if there were tons of jobs remaining unfilled and black guys weren't applying for them.

But that isn't simply the case.

The reality is, if you send in a resume with a typical "black" name, you are 50% less likely to get a callback for an interview even if you have the exact same qualifications as someone with a "White" name. And this is just a simple truth.

James Wallace gets a call back.
Jamal Washington doesn't.

Bullshit! The racism excuse is so old and tired already. AThe fact is there is some racism out there, but there is also a self destructive culture that is the bigger problem. Using racism as an excuse for every problem blacks have doesn't do anyone any good. How do you expect solutions if you can't admit what the true problems are. People like you are part of the problem. Btw, those are two black sounding names, idiot.

"James" is a black sounding name? Gee, I'd better tell my brother and nephew... they'd be surprised.

I do love when white folks insist up and down that racism isn't a problem, (they usually follow that with 'so I don't know what those n****rs are complaining about!')

 

[bripat9643]

Are you saying that there isn't a problem specifically affecting black people in the inner cities? I think there is, and don't think it's wrong to talk about it in a direct way. Sadly, the poorest areas with broken families, poverty, joblessness in Chicago are predominately black (maybe 98%) and the richest areas are predominately white.


Not sure of the angle here..

Blaming the problem on lazy blacks is racist no matter how many sentences you type to dance around it.

Even if that culture is causing the crime within the inner-cities? SO truth and honesty is now a bad thing.

Ryan's mistake was not remembering that noticing reality is racist. If you notice that half of all the inmates in the state pen are black, then you're a racist, even though it's a fact. If you notice that half of all welfare recipients are black, then you're a racist.

 

[Rocko]

Well, it isn't accurate.

It would be accurate if there were tons of jobs remaining unfilled and black guys weren't applying for them.

But that isn't simply the case.

The reality is, if you send in a resume with a typical "black" name, you are 50% less likely to get a callback for an interview even if you have the exact same qualifications as someone with a "White" name. And this is just a simple truth.

James Wallace gets a call back.
Jamal Washington doesn't.

Bullshit! The racism excuse is so old and tired already. AThe fact is there is some racism out there, but there is also a self destructive culture that is the bigger problem. Using racism as an excuse for every problem blacks have doesn't do anyone any good. How do you expect solutions if you can't admit what the true problems are. People like you are part of the problem. Btw, those are two black sounding names, idiot.

"James" is a black sounding name? Gee, I'd better tell my brother and nephew... they'd be surprised.

I do love when white folks insist up and down that racism isn't a problem, (they usually follow that with 'so I don't know what those n****rs are complaining about!')

Every minority has to deal with some racism. That is just a fact of life, not only here in America, but everywhere. Of course racism is a problem, but it's not the main problem. How do you know I'm white? James isn't necessarily a black sounding name. James Wallace is. Tell your nephew you are a moron.

 

[bripat9643]

And that means what?

I guess it means what it says - I don't try to read too much into it.

Well my original question was what are Paul Ryan's solutions. What you refer to is just another statement of what he thinks is the problem.

I dont think he has any solutions. I think he's just trying to make working/middle class Americans feel that it's the poor people's fault that they are poor,

therefore better off Americans need not feel guilty if they support the Ryan agenda,

which is basically to gut social spending.

Why should anyone feel guilty about not paying extortion money to a bunch of ticks on the ass of society?

Welfare is the cause of the black problems, not the solution. Blacks were making gains in income much faster before the war on poverty. That came to an end when they all went on the welfare teat.

 

[JoeB131]

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Nevertheless minority has to deal with some racism. That is just a fact of life, not only here in America, but everywhere. Of course racism is a problem, but it's the main problem. How do you know I'm white? James isn't necessarily a black sound name. James Wallace is. Tell your nephew you are a moron.

dude, that answer was incoherent!

frankly, most of the people named "Wallace" i've know have been white.

Of course racism is a problem when you can't get a job because the racist 1%er doing the hiring thinks you're lazy or some other stereotype.

But, no, no, it's because maybe for a couple months in their life, they got food stamps. That's it.

 

[bedowin62]

we gave a job to a lazy Black dude; the job of President
and he's screwing up big-time

but he's not a screw-up cuz he's Black; or lazy for the same

he's just inept

so cut the straw man arguments leftard

 

[bripat9643]

Paul Ryan attempted to walk back Wednesday’s comment in which described a “culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working, and just generations of men not even thinking about working and learning the value and culture of work.”

And his attempt clearly failed.

This is typical of the right’s non-racist racism, where “culture in our inner cities” is conservaspeak for African-American, exhibiting the hateful perception shared by many on the right with regard to ‘thug music’ ‘free stuff,’ and ‘entitlement mentality.’

And here's the thing. They want to tear down anything meant to add the slightest parity to the historical record of institutional racism.

The just thing to do would have been, after the civil war, codified equality at every level of society and redistributed all wealth accrued by slavery and it's peripheral industries to the victims of it.

That didn't happened.

Nothing like that even came close.

The main problem with that idea, aside from the fact that it's a gross violation of the Fifth Amendment, is the fact that union armies and reconstruction destroyed most of the wealth in the Confederate states. You can blame Abraham Lincoln for the legacy of poverty and social retardation in the South.

[Additionally, anyone paying attention to poverty and it's roots, knows it has absolutely nothing to do with the people impoverished and more to do with circumstance.

Morons "know" that. People who study the issue understand that it's actually the people who are responsible for their poverty. If you look at different cultures, you notice that some thrive wherever they go and others wallow in poverty for centuries. The Jews are the classic example. They have been persecuted for 2000 years in virtually every country where they are found, yet they claim an incredible percentage of the total number of Nobel prizes that have been awarded. The Chinese are another example. Wherever they go they soon rise to the top of the income ladder and are often resented and discriminated against for their success.

The fact that people are responsible for their failure or success is indisputable. Claims to the contrary are absurd.

Removing barriers and enabling people who are in need is the way to go.[/QUOTE]

 

[Rocko]

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Nevertheless minority has to deal with some racism. That is just a fact of life, not only here in America, but everywhere. Of course racism is a problem, but it's the main problem. How do you know I'm white? James isn't necessarily a black sound name. James Wallace is. Tell your nephew you are a moron.

dude, that answer was incoherent!

frankly, most of the people named "Wallace" i've know have been white.

Of course racism is a problem when you can't get a job because the racist 1%er doing the hiring thinks you're lazy or some other stereotype.

But, no, no, it's because maybe for a couple months in their life, they got food stamps. That's it.

I edited it.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, but it's still incoherent.

 

[Rocko]

No it's not.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, it really was.

 

[kaz]

I know what words mean when it comes to both their individual definitions and when they're strung together to make sentences. Now, if Ryan thinks something different than what he said, that's not my problem. That's his problem. Apparently it's your problem and other conservatives' problem as well when you guys find yourself in the unenviable position of trying to create a new meaning to the words that aren't there in the text of his quote. But it ain't my problem.

What you said is one completely self serving interpretation of what he said. What Ryan said was clearly a reference to the cycle of poverty that fiscal conservatives believes keeps people poor. Obviously as a liberal you would know more about what we think than we do. Oh, and we're the arrogant ones.

No, you're wrong. Words have meaning. That's why, in an effort to help people with the understanding of words and their meaning, the DICTIONARY was created. People can use a dictionary to LOOK UP words and their meanings. However, some flexibility can be afforded, depending on the circumstances. So, for example when someone yells "FIRE," as a general rule it means that there are flames, maybe smoke, and that there's a danger of some building burning down, and naturally, immediate assistance is required to prevent that from happening. With flexibility, it COULD mean that there's DANGER and someone needs help ASAP. But it's not reasonable to assume that the person who's yelling FIRE means that he's about to swing a golf club simply because the word to yell in such situations is FORE.

What THAT means is that all of your tap dancing and nonsensical gibberish makes you look foolish.

Actually, English is a notoriously ambiguous language, and he did not say what you people are saying that he just wants to move poor people as is into other neighborhoods. Look man, Ryan isn't an idiot and he's a good guy. You may not like him because he's not a socialist, but he's not proposing that we do what you're accusing him of and no amount of repeating that strawman will make it so.

I have no doubt that for the legions of liberals out there that you believe you're actually helping poor people with your government solution of throwing money at the problem, but "poor" is not a bank account balance, it's a set of behaviors. By focusing on the bank account balance, government and the authoritarian leftists who vote for it are keeping the poor locked into a cycle of dependency. The way out is to give them opportunity, and opportunity doesn't mean government jobs or government funded training, it means free market opportunity, which is created by less government.

 

[Rocko]

Yeah, it really was.

Was is the operative word. What's a matter? Have no answer for what I wrote?

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, it really was.

Was is the operative word. What's a matter? Have no answer for what I wrote?

Um, yeah, I did, but you didn't understand it.

You live in a world where racism isn't a problem, when in fact, if there is one thing that the last 5 years have proven, we really haven't gotten that poison out of our system.

Elect a black guy, half the country goes batshit insane.

Ryan just got caught saying what half of you are thinking.

 

[Rocko]

Yeah, it really was.

Was is the operative word. What's a matter? Have no answer for what I wrote?

Um, yeah, I did, but you didn't understand it.

You live in a world where racism isn't a problem, when in fact, if there is one thing that the last 5 years have proven, we really haven't gotten that poison out of our system.

Elect a black guy, half the country goes batshit insane.

Ryan just got caught saying what half of you are thinking.

How many times do you need me to say racism is a problem for you to get it through your thick head that I believe it is one? It is a problem, but not the main one. Anyway, since you're only willing to acknowledge racism as the problem, and you're such a problem solver, I would love to hear what solutions you have.

 

[martybegan]

Um..no.

Ryan is fundamentally wrong.

Here's a helpful cartoon to show you why:



Racism has been institutional in this country from it's roots. It was codified into the Constitution. It carried on after the Civil War into about the 1970s. And although it's been largely addressed, federally, it's still prevalent locally.

Minorities by the way, as part of this institutional racism were dumped into inner cities by design. Minorities have also been blocked, by design, from accruing wealth.

Ryan and his ilk almost completely ignores that and puts the blame squarely on the victims of this history.

And that's pretty disgusting.

Considering my ancestors were picking out shit between their toes in Ireland and Italy when slavery happened, how the fuck is it my fault, and how did I prosper from slave labor?

And you don't consider the fact that when your family came here, much later than the families of black Americans and were able to accrue substantial wealth while they didn't an example of institutional racism?

How exactly do you square this?

And your family came into a society that prospered on the backs of slave labor.

Of course they benefitted. As did mine.

My family had their own issues in the old countries, be it from the british or the Italian nobility. That's why they CAME HERE.

It doesn't change the fact that the solution proposed by the Great Society reforms in the 60's did nothing to resolve any inequality whatsover, it just threw money at the urban poor (yes, in most urban places blacks) and hoped the issue would go away.

What you got was a culture of dependency on government, a culture of zero responsibility among men, and a culture of grandmothers raising their grandkids.

 

[Sallow]

Considering my ancestors were picking out shit between their toes in Ireland and Italy when slavery happened, how the fuck is it my fault, and how did I prosper from slave labor?

And you don't consider the fact that when your family came here, much later than the families of black Americans and were able to accrue substantial wealth while they didn't an example of institutional racism?

How exactly do you square this?

And your family came into a society that prospered on the backs of slave labor.

Of course they benefitted. As did mine.

My family had their own issues in the old countries, be it from the british or the Italian nobility. That's why they CAME HERE.

It doesn't change the fact that the solution proposed by the Great Society reforms in the 60's did nothing to resolve any inequality whatsover, it just threw money at the urban poor (yes, in most urban places blacks) and hoped the issue would go away.

What you got was a culture of dependency on government, a culture of zero responsibility among men, and a culture of grandmothers raising their grandkids.

So you knew who your family was?

Do you understand how different that is from the black American experience?

I guess not.

Because you go on yammer on and on about "dependency".

You don't seem to understand that it was the same government that caused problems for black Americans in the first place.

That's what institutional racism is all about.