Perhaps the rightwing wouldn’t be so extreme if Ayn Rand never existed

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I guess it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness just pretending that leftwing men wear pussy hats

Most left wing men are limp wristed weasels so no, it has nothing to do with the fact that I am a badass.

Try again boi

 

[Billy000]

The American right wouldn't seem so extreme if you, yourself weren't an extremist.

I’m a lefty through and through, but there are a few ideas on Bernie’s platform I agree with.

Yeah, I know. You're a hardcore far left weirdo. That's why the GOP's passive attempts to slow down your comrades idea of "progress" seems like extremism to you.

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

 

[impuretrash]

Rand was a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual hypocrite.

The problem with philosophers like her was their extremism and black and white values. The idea of rejecting any form of collectivism is ridiculous and impossible to live one’s life by. Rand, specifically, accepted Medicare which ran completely counter to the values she spewed. It’s impossible to live one’s life on a purely individual basis. Society could not function without a degree of collectivism.

“Degree” is a keyword here. What many republicans fail to understand is that there must be an inevitable middle ground between individualism and collectivism in order for civilization to exist. Obviously, a degree of individual freedom is critical to human happiness, but that doesn’t mean one must reject collective values like socialism. Hell, America has embraced socialism since the founding. Paying taxes for services one benefits from has always been a socialist idea. Just because you support our defense budget, our military, public education for kids, Social Security, etc does not mean these aren’t socialist principles. The problem is that republicans don’t really understand what socialism actually means. They think socialism is all about not having job and living off welfare and capitalism being a mutually exclusive idea. Granted those ideas are socialist in nature, but it doesn’t mean that is some catch-all definition or that American progressives support those ideas.

This is worth repeating: while there are some few exceptions, American progressives by and large don’t want to abolish the private market nor do we want everyone being unemployed and living off the dole. We also don’t want everyone making the same wage regardless of the work. Obviously wealthy people serve a vital purpose to our economy - they just need strict limitations that currently aren’t in place. The ideology is quite nuanced, but republicans like to pretend otherwise.

Extreme???

One party wears a pro American slogan on their heads.

The other wears PUSSYS on their heads and masks on their faces.

Who's extreme?

God you people lack any objectivity whatsoever. It’s impossible to take you seriously. Okay so women who attended a march wore pussy hats and you somehow think that is what Leftwingers in general wear when in reality we don’t. I guess it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness just pretending that leftwing men wear pussy hats but obviously real life doesn’t fit in with that narrative.

Objectivity. Do you even know what that word means? You can't put aside your own biases because without them, there'd be nothing left.

 

[talksalot]

Rand was a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual hypocrite.

The problem with philosophers like her was their extremism and black and white values. The idea of rejecting any form of collectivism is ridiculous and impossible to live one’s life by. Rand, specifically, accepted Medicare which ran completely counter to the values she spewed. It’s impossible to live one’s life on a purely individual basis. Society could not function without a degree of collectivism.

“Degree” is a keyword here. What many republicans fail to understand is that there must be an inevitable middle ground between individualism and collectivism in order for civilization to exist. Obviously, a degree of individual freedom is critical to human happiness, but that doesn’t mean one must reject collective values like socialism. Hell, America has embraced socialism since the founding. Paying taxes for services one benefits from has always been a socialist idea. Just because you support our defense budget, our military, public education for kids, Social Security, etc does not mean these aren’t socialist principles. The problem is that republicans don’t really understand what socialism actually means. They think socialism is all about not having job and living off welfare and capitalism being a mutually exclusive idea. Granted those ideas are socialist in nature, but it doesn’t mean that is some catch-all definition or that American progressives support those ideas.

This is worth repeating: while there are some few exceptions, American progressives by and large don’t want to abolish the private market nor do we want everyone being unemployed and living off the dole. We also don’t want everyone making the same wage regardless of the work. Obviously wealthy people serve a vital purpose to our economy - they just need strict limitations that currently aren’t in place. The ideology is quite nuanced, but republicans like to pretend otherwise.

Obviously wealthy people serve a vital purpose to our economy - they just need strict limitations that currently aren’t in place. This sentence says it all, commie.

 

[Billy000]

I guess it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness just pretending that leftwing men wear pussy hats

Most left wing men are limp wristed weasels so no, it has nothing to do with the fact that I am a badass.

Try again boi

lol you are so goddamn fake. I hate how some guys like you pretend they are like Chuck Norris when any objective observer can tell you are insecure and crave validation. I hate to break it to you but no one cares you like to think you are macho. The truth is that you have flaws and insecurities like every other human being that don’t necessarily match up with how you view the CHARACTERS Chuck Norris plays on TV. Your fake ass attitude is so transparent.

 

[Billy000]

Rand was a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual hypocrite.

The problem with philosophers like her was their extremism and black and white values. The idea of rejecting any form of collectivism is ridiculous and impossible to live one’s life by. Rand, specifically, accepted Medicare which ran completely counter to the values she spewed. It’s impossible to live one’s life on a purely individual basis. Society could not function without a degree of collectivism.

“Degree” is a keyword here. What many republicans fail to understand is that there must be an inevitable middle ground between individualism and collectivism in order for civilization to exist. Obviously, a degree of individual freedom is critical to human happiness, but that doesn’t mean one must reject collective values like socialism. Hell, America has embraced socialism since the founding. Paying taxes for services one benefits from has always been a socialist idea. Just because you support our defense budget, our military, public education for kids, Social Security, etc does not mean these aren’t socialist principles. The problem is that republicans don’t really understand what socialism actually means. They think socialism is all about not having job and living off welfare and capitalism being a mutually exclusive idea. Granted those ideas are socialist in nature, but it doesn’t mean that is some catch-all definition or that American progressives support those ideas.

This is worth repeating: while there are some few exceptions, American progressives by and large don’t want to abolish the private market nor do we want everyone being unemployed and living off the dole. We also don’t want everyone making the same wage regardless of the work. Obviously wealthy people serve a vital purpose to our economy - they just need strict limitations that currently aren’t in place. The ideology is quite nuanced, but republicans like to pretend otherwise.

Obviously wealthy people serve a vital purpose to our economy - they just need strict limitations that currently aren’t in place. This sentence says it all, commie.

You’re right it does. You just aren’t smart enough to understand it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Don't attack Ayn Rand.. unless you like seeing rightwing extremists cry. Meany!

 

[impuretrash]

The American right wouldn't seem so extreme if you, yourself weren't an extremist.

I’m a lefty through and through, but there are a few ideas on Bernie’s platform I agree with.

Yeah, I know. You're a hardcore far left weirdo. That's why the GOP's passive attempts to slow down your comrades idea of "progress" seems like extremism to you.

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

Well thats kind of what the wings do , innit? They try to push things too far and the other side reels them back in. I know you don't believe in gender roles but the left/right dichotomy is basic feminine/masculine human nature stuff and goes way back before there was even such a thing as republicans and democrats.

 

[Billy000]

I guess it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness just pretending that leftwing men wear pussy hats

Most left wing men are limp wristed weasels so no, it has nothing to do with the fact that I am a badass.

Try again boi

Allow me to put it this way Gramps: if you call yourself a badass, you actually aren’t one. You just like to think you are. Real badasses don’t feel the need to call themselves one. Their actions and words speak for themselves.

 

[Lesh]

Nahhh they'd latch on to some other second rate hack who promotes the rich

 

[Billy000]

The American right wouldn't seem so extreme if you, yourself weren't an extremist.

I’m a lefty through and through, but there are a few ideas on Bernie’s platform I agree with.

Yeah, I know. You're a hardcore far left weirdo. That's why the GOP's passive attempts to slow down your comrades idea of "progress" seems like extremism to you.

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

Well thats kind of what the wings do , innit? They try to push things too far and the other side reels them back in. I know you don't believe in gender roles but the left/right dichotomy is basic feminine/masculine human nature stuff and goes way back before there was even such a thing as republicans and democrats.

Um I do believe in gender roles. I just don’t pretend a person is born with them. What you don’t seem to understand is that cultural values dictate those gender roles more than nature does. I’ll agree that there are some gender specific traits one is born with, but my point is most behaviors are dictated by the values of a given culture. What you might consider to be “manly” or “feminine” isn’t considered the same in other cultures.

 

[Oddball]

I think it's more about daily submersion in talk radio, with its pseudo - psycho - bizarro libertarian preaching mixed with a comical defense of big spending.

You can't blame them for being so mal-informed, really.
.

None of Randian anarchist philosophy is anywhere to be found on the radio.

Are you in a contest with C Foghorn Leghorn to be the most mal-informed blowhard on the forum?

 

[Oddball]

Rand was a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual hypocrite.

The problem with philosophers like her was their extremism and black and white values. The idea of rejecting any form of collectivism is ridiculous and impossible to live one’s life by. Rand, specifically, accepted Medicare which ran completely counter to the values she spewed. It’s impossible to live one’s life on a purely individual basis. Society could not function without a degree of collectivism.

“Degree” is a keyword here. What many republicans fail to understand is that there must be an inevitable middle ground between individualism and collectivism in order for civilization to exist. Obviously, a degree of individual freedom is critical to human happiness, but that doesn’t mean one must reject collective values like socialism. Hell, America has embraced socialism since the founding. Paying taxes for services one benefits from has always been a socialist idea. Just because you support our defense budget, our military, public education for kids, Social Security, etc does not mean these aren’t socialist principles. The problem is that republicans don’t really understand what socialism actually means. They think socialism is all about not having job and living off welfare and capitalism being a mutually exclusive idea. Granted those ideas are socialist in nature, but it doesn’t mean that is some catch-all definition or that American progressives support those ideas.

This is worth repeating: while there are some few exceptions, American progressives by and large don’t want to abolish the private market nor do we want everyone being unemployed and living off the dole. We also don’t want everyone making the same wage regardless of the work. Obviously wealthy people serve a vital purpose to our economy - they just need strict limitations that currently aren’t in place. The ideology is quite nuanced, but republicans like to pretend otherwise.

Wesley Mouch, is that you?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The right wing freed the slaves....


Oh snap

 

[Markle]

Did you notice how I didn’t talk about free shit for myself in my OP? Try to pay attention cupcake.

You claim to be a Socialist Democrat. That's just the far-lefts feeble effort to soften the word SOCIALIST. You are offended by what you see as a wealth gap, although you cannot demonstrate to us how Bill Gates' wealth of $105 BILLION has taken a dime out of your pocket. You believe that government should dictate wages, profits, who gets what. How is that not Socialism?

Why do you find it necessary to call people names? Does that make you feel better?

 

[impuretrash]

The American right wouldn't seem so extreme if you, yourself weren't an extremist.

I’m a lefty through and through, but there are a few ideas on Bernie’s platform I agree with.

Yeah, I know. You're a hardcore far left weirdo. That's why the GOP's passive attempts to slow down your comrades idea of "progress" seems like extremism to you.

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

Well thats kind of what the wings do , innit? They try to push things too far and the other side reels them back in. I know you don't believe in gender roles but the left/right dichotomy is basic feminine/masculine human nature stuff and goes way back before there was even such a thing as republicans and democrats.

Um I do believe in gender roles. I just don’t pretend a person is born with them. What you don’t seem to understand is that cultural values dictate those gender roles more than nature does. I’ll agree that there are some gender specific traits one is born with, but my point is most behaviors are dictated by the values of a given culture. What you might consider to be “manly” or “feminine” isn’t considered the same in other cultures.

Name some of those other cultures.

 

[Billy000]

I’m a lefty through and through, but there are a few ideas on Bernie’s platform I agree with.

Yeah, I know. You're a hardcore far left weirdo. That's why the GOP's passive attempts to slow down your comrades idea of "progress" seems like extremism to you.

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

Well thats kind of what the wings do , innit? They try to push things too far and the other side reels them back in. I know you don't believe in gender roles but the left/right dichotomy is basic feminine/masculine human nature stuff and goes way back before there was even such a thing as republicans and democrats.

Um I do believe in gender roles. I just don’t pretend a person is born with them. What you don’t seem to understand is that cultural values dictate those gender roles more than nature does. I’ll agree that there are some gender specific traits one is born with, but my point is most behaviors are dictated by the values of a given culture. What you might consider to be “manly” or “feminine” isn’t considered the same in other cultures.

Name some of those other cultures.

In Europe it’s socially acceptable for straight men to share a bed while they sleep. You might think that’s “gay” but because nothing sexual ever occurs it is by definition not gay.

 

[impuretrash]

Yeah, I know. You're a hardcore far left weirdo. That's why the GOP's passive attempts to slow down your comrades idea of "progress" seems like extremism to you.

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

Well thats kind of what the wings do , innit? They try to push things too far and the other side reels them back in. I know you don't believe in gender roles but the left/right dichotomy is basic feminine/masculine human nature stuff and goes way back before there was even such a thing as republicans and democrats.

Um I do believe in gender roles. I just don’t pretend a person is born with them. What you don’t seem to understand is that cultural values dictate those gender roles more than nature does. I’ll agree that there are some gender specific traits one is born with, but my point is most behaviors are dictated by the values of a given culture. What you might consider to be “manly” or “feminine” isn’t considered the same in other cultures.

Name some of those other cultures.

In Europe it’s socially acceptable for straight men to share a bed while they sleep. You might think that’s “gay” but because nothing sexual ever occurs it is by definition not gay.

I was thinking more along the lines of a society where little girls grow up playing with toy swords and roughhousing while little boys pretend to cook and take care of babies.

 

[Billy000]

Did you notice how I didn’t talk about free shit for myself in my OP? Try to pay attention cupcake.

You claim to be a Socialist Democrat. That's just the far-lefts feeble effort to soften the word SOCIALIST. You are offended by what you see as a wealth gap, although you cannot demonstrate to us how Bill Gates' wealth of $105 BILLION has taken a dime out of your pocket. You believe that government should dictate wages, profits, who gets what. How is that not Socialism?

Why do you find it necessary to call people names? Does that make you feel better?

You can call my labels whatever you want, but what actually matters is what I wrote in my OP. How dense are you? I don’t mind that Bill Gates lives a life of luxury and I don’t, but the only reason he became someone worth 105 billion is because he and others like him kept the workers under him at wages they could barley live off. Doesn’t it bother you that he is worth that much money while 78% of American workers report living paycheck to paycheck? My solution isn’t to strip him of his billions. My solution is support policies that keep anyone working 40 hours a week out of poverty. That’s it:

How does this basic nuance of thought escape you?

 

[Billy000]

I actually meant to say with this post is that I DISAGREE with a few of his ideas. My bad for the typo. My point is, while I am definitely a leftwinger and not a centrist, there are a few issues I think leftists take too far.

Well thats kind of what the wings do , innit? They try to push things too far and the other side reels them back in. I know you don't believe in gender roles but the left/right dichotomy is basic feminine/masculine human nature stuff and goes way back before there was even such a thing as republicans and democrats.

Um I do believe in gender roles. I just don’t pretend a person is born with them. What you don’t seem to understand is that cultural values dictate those gender roles more than nature does. I’ll agree that there are some gender specific traits one is born with, but my point is most behaviors are dictated by the values of a given culture. What you might consider to be “manly” or “feminine” isn’t considered the same in other cultures.

Name some of those other cultures.

In Europe it’s socially acceptable for straight men to share a bed while they sleep. You might think that’s “gay” but because nothing sexual ever occurs it is by definition not gay.

I was thinking more along the lines of a society where little girls grow up playing with toy swords and roughhousing while little boys pretend to cook and take care of babies.

Lol you’ll find kids all around the world like that including here in the US. It’s my basic point is that kids aren’t born to like that shit.