Perspective: How It All Happened

[PoliticalChic]

1. For a full century after the Civil War, the Democrat Party was correctly identified as the party of slavery and segregation. In fact.....they killed every anti-lynching bill that made its way to the Senate. Democrats.

Maybe if you hadn't failed U.S. History you would know that the two major political parties (DEMs and GOP) have switched poliical polarity TWICE in our history.

So, you've just revealed yourself to be very very stupid.

Well done.

Only in your imagination.

I don't want you to have to seek an education; I'll provide it:

1. Your post is an attempt to claim that the current Democratic Party isn't the party of slavery and segregation ?
100 or 50 years ago, or anytime in the past, the party is and continues to be the same racists and segregationists.

2. Now, "Democrats 100 years ago, or 50 years ago..." doesn't seem fair...it was so long ago....

Was it?

a. Dixiecrats lost in 1948 (65 years ago)....then went right back to being Democrats.






3. Let's take a look at the most popular Democrat today, and see how your post holds up...

a. Governor Clinton was among three state officials the NAACP sued in 1989 under the federal Voting Rights Act of 1965. “Plaintiffs offered plenty of proof of monolithic voting along racial lines, intimidation of black voters and candidates and other official acts that made voting harder for blacks,” the Arkansas Gazette reported December 6, 1989.

Gee....24 years ago....



b. Bill Clinton had a Confederate flag-like issue, every year he was governor: Arkansas Code Annotated, Section 1-5-107, provides as follows:

(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as ‘Confederate Flag Day’ in this state.

(b) No person, firm, or corporation shall display an Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America. [Emphasis added.]

(c) Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

Bill Clinton took no steps during his twelve years as governor to repeal this law.
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit


Gee....'til 1992,....21 years ago

(BTW...Orval Eugene Faubus, attended Bill Clinton’s 1979 gubernatorial inauguration, where the two pols hugged, as Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editorial page editor Paul Greenberg recalls.)
Know who Faubus was?
Yup...he used the National Guard to prevent blacks from going to school



c. Bill Clinton wrote his first letter, dated June 21, 1994, of congratulations to the UDC [Untied Daughters of the Confederacy] celebrating their 100th anniversary. Later Clinton wrote a letter September 8, 1994 letter of congratulation to the Georgia Division of the UDC celebrating their 100th anniversary, then August 9, 1995 welcoming to Washington, D.C. for their 1995 national convention. Each letter was given a full page with Clinton’s picture in the United Daughters of the Confederacy Magazine (UDC Magazine) giving legitimacy to the UDC.

For reference, the UDC magazine includes " a Ku Klux Klan praising book, not just the Klan of Reconstruction but the Klan of the 1920s, a book which recommends the racist books of Thomas Dixon, “The Clansman” ...
Anti-Neo-Confederate: Bill Clinton Enables Neo-Confederates & Betrays Carol Moseley-Braun: UPDATED

Gee....that's 18 years ago....



d. "Clinton praised Arkansas’ late Democratic senator J. William Fulbright, a notorious segregationist who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. He also signed the Southern Manifesto, which denounced the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark Brown vs. Board of Education school desegregation decision in 1954. Clinton called Fulbright “My mentor, a visionary, a humanitarian.”Dems Need to Houseclean - Deroy Murdock - National Review Online

and....

Fulbright was a full-bore segregationist, voting against the 1957, 1960, 1964, and 1965 civil rights bills.
But...in 1993, Bill Clinton gave the Medal of Freedom award to a lifelong segregationist, Democrat Wm. J. Fulbright. And another life-long segregationist, Democrat Albert Gore, Sr. was in attendance.

20 years ago.


Hey...didn't Bill Clinton just recently speak at the Democrat National Convention?

That wasn't "50 or 100" years ago....was it?
__________________
… President Bill Clinton
argued that Colin Powell, promoted
to brigadier general during Mr.
Alexander’s tenure, was the product
of an affirmative action program.
http://cdn.virtuallearningcourses.com/ivtcontent/images/edw12_ch05_e.pdf


'BILL CLINTON: IN PAST, OBAMA WOULD BE 'CARRYING OUR BAGS'
Bill Clinton: In Past, Obama Would Be 'Carrying Our Bags'


Hey....did you know that the rapist Bill Clinton is the most popular member of the DEMOCRAT PARTY???





Oh, man.....I just love smackin' the heck out of you!!!


Write as soon as you recover....y'hear?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'd still like to talk about Zell Miller, the right's favorite segregationist Democrat.

No takers?

lolol

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. For a full century after the Civil War, the Democrat Party was correctly identified as the party of slavery and segregation. In fact.....they killed every anti-lynching bill that made its way to the Senate. Democrats.

Maybe if you hadn't failed U.S. History you would know that the two major political parties (DEMs and GOP) have switched poliical polarity TWICE in our history.

So, you've just revealed yourself to be very very stupid.

Well done.

And....I never failed anything....

...and that includes this debate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean ad hominem? appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.

That is a perfect description of the motivation for the fallacy Lawrence W. Reed is trying to pass as truth. We don't have to go back the Great Depression to see how the right uses ad hominem attacks.

Here are 2 FACTS about the Great Depression AND the recent financial crisis:

• Capitalism and the free market economy were responsible for the Great Depression's stock market crash and the housing bubble crash. NOT government.

• AND, only government intervention brought about America's economic recovery.

When you know these 2 facts, and those facts totally destroy every one of your prejudices, emotions, or special interests, ad hominem is your only avenue.

Those two are about as far from 'facts' as one can get.



1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundred s of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.
March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.

2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .




3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

4. John Maynard Keynes, in a letter published in the NYTimes, December 31, 1933, warned “ even wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery. For it will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action.” Even Keynes saw the danger in treating the nation’s capitalists as an enemy, as “the unscrupulous money changers,” as FDR called them in his first Inaugural.





5. FDR and government solutions worsened the recession into a Depression.
Warren Harding inherited one of the sharpest recessions in American history in 1921. By July it was over. Harding and Treasury Sec’y Mellon cut government expenditures by 40 %, allowing wages to fall, in a natural recovery to full employment. The cuts, and even sharper tax cuts under Coolidge, produced the long period of growth and rising living standards associated with the Roaring Twenties.




6. 'In The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge.
He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."





For scholars, FDR is no longer off limits for study....and the above represent the direction revelations are going.

Of course, these revelations will have no moment for religious fanatics of a Liberal bent...such as you, BoringFriendlessGuy.



You may now return to genuflecting in front of the FDR icon......

The popular rightwing mythology in the above has been thoroughly debunked several times on this board, and yet,

according to one of my rules about the right, it comes back again and again.

More proof that conservatives are ineducable.

Gee....you didn't have to go far to prove you're a fool....

...just refer to Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes, as the 'rightwing mythology.'


Nice work!

 

[Foxfyre]

1. For a full century after the Civil War, the Democrat Party was correctly identified as the party of slavery and segregation. In fact.....they killed every anti-lynching bill that made its way to the Senate. Democrats.

Maybe if you hadn't failed U.S. History you would know that the two major political parties (DEMs and GOP) have switched poliical polarity TWICE in our history.

So, you've just revealed yourself to be very very stupid.

Well done.

And....I never failed anything....

...and that includes this debate.

Anybody who has read history knows that it is true that the Democrats were the party of slavery when slavery was an institution in this country. And now they would have us believe that those who accepted and/or condoned slavery are now the Republicans and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.

First, conservatism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. Liberalism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. No conservative in America today condones or defends slavery any more than does the most passionate flaming leftist/liberal.

But it is generally the conservative who sees liberal policies as detrimental and harmful to American black people as has been thoroughly documented and noted by such historians as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. What appears to be compassion in government policy is too often a gimmick to control and manipulate people so that they will keep professional politicans and bureaucrats in government where they can increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

It is because the left refuses to learn, recognize, and acknowledge this, and this problem is magnified by so much of education and the media being controlled by the left, that goverment is allowed to continue such destructive policies and even ratchet them up. And in the process we lose our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities chip by chip, law by law, and policy by policy until one day we will wake up and find ourselves living under a totalitarian government that will be accountable to nobody.

On a global scale, the motives and goal of the left is to continue this process until we all live under international authority and they can control and rule the world. They think that will produce the nearest thing to utopia that humankind can achieve.

Conservatives know they will not like what they have wrought.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Those two are about as far from 'facts' as one can get.



1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundred s of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.
March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.

2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .




3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

4. John Maynard Keynes, in a letter published in the NYTimes, December 31, 1933, warned “ even wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery. For it will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action.” Even Keynes saw the danger in treating the nation’s capitalists as an enemy, as “the unscrupulous money changers,” as FDR called them in his first Inaugural.





5. FDR and government solutions worsened the recession into a Depression.
Warren Harding inherited one of the sharpest recessions in American history in 1921. By July it was over. Harding and Treasury Sec’y Mellon cut government expenditures by 40 %, allowing wages to fall, in a natural recovery to full employment. The cuts, and even sharper tax cuts under Coolidge, produced the long period of growth and rising living standards associated with the Roaring Twenties.




6. 'In The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge.
He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."





For scholars, FDR is no longer off limits for study....and the above represent the direction revelations are going.

Of course, these revelations will have no moment for religious fanatics of a Liberal bent...such as you, BoringFriendlessGuy.



You may now return to genuflecting in front of the FDR icon......

The popular rightwing mythology in the above has been thoroughly debunked several times on this board, and yet,

according to one of my rules about the right, it comes back again and again.

More proof that conservatives are ineducable.

Gee....you didn't have to go far to prove you're a fool....

...just refer to Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes, as the 'rightwing mythology.'


Nice work!

It is a rightwing myth now. You believe it. Rightwingers love to attach a token liberal or two their myths.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Those two are about as far from 'facts' as one can get.



1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundred s of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.
March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.

2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .




3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

4. John Maynard Keynes, in a letter published in the NYTimes, December 31, 1933, warned “ even wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery. For it will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action.” Even Keynes saw the danger in treating the nation’s capitalists as an enemy, as “the unscrupulous money changers,” as FDR called them in his first Inaugural.





5. FDR and government solutions worsened the recession into a Depression.
Warren Harding inherited one of the sharpest recessions in American history in 1921. By July it was over. Harding and Treasury Sec’y Mellon cut government expenditures by 40 %, allowing wages to fall, in a natural recovery to full employment. The cuts, and even sharper tax cuts under Coolidge, produced the long period of growth and rising living standards associated with the Roaring Twenties.




6. 'In The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge.
He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."





For scholars, FDR is no longer off limits for study....and the above represent the direction revelations are going.

Of course, these revelations will have no moment for religious fanatics of a Liberal bent...such as you, BoringFriendlessGuy.



You may now return to genuflecting in front of the FDR icon......

The popular rightwing mythology in the above has been thoroughly debunked several times on this board, and yet,

according to one of my rules about the right, it comes back again and again.

More proof that conservatives are ineducable.

Gee....you didn't have to go far to prove you're a fool....

...just refer to Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes, as the 'rightwing mythology.'


Nice work!

Your Keynes quote is meaningless. Keynesians blame the 1937 recession on FDR's premature shift towards trying to balance the budget by cutting spending.

They were vindicated by the fact that the massive government borrowing and spending brought on by WWII did in fact drive down unemployment significantly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Maybe if you hadn't failed U.S. History you would know that the two major political parties (DEMs and GOP) have switched poliical polarity TWICE in our history.

So, you've just revealed yourself to be very very stupid.

Well done.

And....I never failed anything....

...and that includes this debate.

Anybody who has read history knows that it is true that the Democrats were the party of slavery when slavery was an institution in this country. And now they would have us believe that those who accepted and/or condoned slavery are now the Republicans and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.

First, conservatism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. Liberalism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. No conservative in America today condones or defends slavery any more than does the most passionate flaming leftist/liberal.

But it is generally the conservative who sees liberal policies as detrimental and harmful to American black people as has been thoroughly documented and noted by such historians as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. What appears to be compassion in government policy is too often a gimmick to control and manipulate people so that they will keep professional politicans and bureaucrats in government where they can increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

It is because the left refuses to learn, recognize, and acknowledge this, and this problem is magnified by so much of education and the media being controlled by the left, that goverment is allowed to continue such destructive policies and even ratchet them up. And in the process we lose our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities chip by chip, law by law, and policy by policy until one day we will wake up and find ourselves living under a totalitarian government that will be accountable to nobody.

On a global scale, the motives and goal of the left is to continue this process until we all live under international authority and they can control and rule the world. They think that will produce the nearest thing to utopia that humankind can achieve.

Conservatives know they will not like what they have wrought.

Conservatives in the 19th century lost the battle to preserve slavery. Conservatives in the 20th century lost the battle to preserve segregation.

They also lost the battle to prevent women's suffrage.

Conservatives in the 21st century are losing the battle against gay rights.

This is just how history works. Conservatives in every generation are always on the wrong side of history when it comes to the important social issues of that generation.

Liberals win the battles, the spoils of victory become the status quo, and the next generation of conservatives become more liberal than their predecessors,

but they find their own contemporary battles to eventually lose.

 

[numan]

'
But they are only really interested in winning the economic war.

Everything else is just window dressing.

.

 

[Meister]

Doesn't the Bible also speak of killing those who work on the Sabbath? So if you guys take the text that literally, shouldn't you be against anyone working on Sunday? Not an NFL fan, huh? Can you also sell your daughter into slavery? Thats in the book too right? As for the NFL...touching the skin of a dead pig is a no-no too.

So you're for putting the NFL players to death right (sanctioned by the Bible)
So you're for getting rid of football in general (sanctioned by the Bible)
So you're for selling your daughter into slavery (sanctioned by the Bible)

Right? What would the difference between those 3 and the part about homosexuality?

Please enlighten us or do you only take some parts of the Bible seriously (strangely enough the only parts that fit into Conservative superstitions)?

Please explain...

So you're for survivor benefits for same-sex couples?

You asked, I told you. Now go pound sand.

I asked, you answered, I pointed out why your answer is bullshit, you ran.

Seriously...how can you pick and choose what part of "Holy Scripture" you adhere to? If you are hell bent on taking some of it literally, how do you decide which parts?

Republican superstition has nothing to do with it? Are you sure?

You asked about something specific, and I answered, I didn't run.
Now you want to move the goalposts from what was specific?
Again, go pound sand, and try to comprehend what was written in the Old Testament AND the New Testament, and stop with your childish "gotchya".

Republican superstition? You were talking about rightwing fear.....at least try and stay on topic. Maybe some meds for ADHD would help?

 

[boedicca]

Anybody who has read history knows that it is true that the Democrats were the party of slavery when slavery was an institution in this country. And now they would have us believe that those who accepted and/or condoned slavery are now the Republicans and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.

First, conservatism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. Liberalism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. No conservative in America today condones or defends slavery any more than does the most passionate flaming leftist/liberal.

But it is generally the conservative who sees liberal policies as detrimental and harmful to American black people as has been thoroughly documented and noted by such historians as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. What appears to be compassion in government policy is too often a gimmick to control and manipulate people so that they will keep professional politicans and bureaucrats in government where they can increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

It is because the left refuses to learn, recognize, and acknowledge this, and this problem is magnified by so much of education and the media being controlled by the left, that goverment is allowed to continue such destructive policies and even ratchet them up. And in the process we lose our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities chip by chip, law by law, and policy by policy until one day we will wake up and find ourselves living under a totalitarian government that will be accountable to nobody.

On a global scale, the motives and goal of the left is to continue this process until we all live under international authority and they can control and rule the world. They think that will produce the nearest thing to utopia that humankind can achieve.

Conservatives know they will not like what they have wrought.

Excellent commentary. The only thing to quibble with is the definition of slavery. Making individuals the serfs and property of a Totalitarian State (which is the agend of progressives, wittingly or not) is form of slavery.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The popular rightwing mythology in the above has been thoroughly debunked several times on this board, and yet,

according to one of my rules about the right, it comes back again and again.

More proof that conservatives are ineducable.

Gee....you didn't have to go far to prove you're a fool....

...just refer to Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes, as the 'rightwing mythology.'


Nice work!

It is a rightwing myth now. You believe it. Rightwingers love to attach a token liberal or two their myths.

Those are quotes.
They stand for themselves.
The represent the considered opinions of Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes,


Do you know what quotes are....or is this another word I have to teach you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And....I never failed anything....

...and that includes this debate.

Anybody who has read history knows that it is true that the Democrats were the party of slavery when slavery was an institution in this country. And now they would have us believe that those who accepted and/or condoned slavery are now the Republicans and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.

First, conservatism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. Liberalism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. No conservative in America today condones or defends slavery any more than does the most passionate flaming leftist/liberal.

But it is generally the conservative who sees liberal policies as detrimental and harmful to American black people as has been thoroughly documented and noted by such historians as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. What appears to be compassion in government policy is too often a gimmick to control and manipulate people so that they will keep professional politicans and bureaucrats in government where they can increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

It is because the left refuses to learn, recognize, and acknowledge this, and this problem is magnified by so much of education and the media being controlled by the left, that goverment is allowed to continue such destructive policies and even ratchet them up. And in the process we lose our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities chip by chip, law by law, and policy by policy until one day we will wake up and find ourselves living under a totalitarian government that will be accountable to nobody.

On a global scale, the motives and goal of the left is to continue this process until we all live under international authority and they can control and rule the world. They think that will produce the nearest thing to utopia that humankind can achieve.

Conservatives know they will not like what they have wrought.

Conservatives in the 19th century lost the battle to preserve slavery. Conservatives in the 20th century lost the battle to preserve segregation.

They also lost the battle to prevent women's suffrage.

Conservatives in the 21st century are losing the battle against gay rights.

This is just how history works. Conservatives in every generation are always on the wrong side of history when it comes to the important social issues of that generation.

Liberals win the battles, the spoils of victory become the status quo, and the next generation of conservatives become more liberal than their predecessors,

but they find their own contemporary battles to eventually lose.

They were not conservatives, you twit.


They were Democrats.

Democrats: members of the party of slavery, segregation, sedition, and secularization.

Don't try to squirm out of your heritage.
Wear your label and be proud!

 

[konradv]

They were not conservatives, you twit.

They were Democrats.

Democrats: members of the party of slavery, segregation, sedition, and secularization.

Don't try to squirm out of your heritage.
Wear your label and be proud!

Conservative Democrats who became Republicans. It's the heritage of conservatism not liberalism that involves slavery and segregation and it's you that's embracing it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Anybody who has read history knows that it is true that the Democrats were the party of slavery when slavery was an institution in this country. And now they would have us believe that those who accepted and/or condoned slavery are now the Republicans and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.

First, conservatism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. Liberalism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. No conservative in America today condones or defends slavery any more than does the most passionate flaming leftist/liberal.

But it is generally the conservative who sees liberal policies as detrimental and harmful to American black people as has been thoroughly documented and noted by such historians as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. What appears to be compassion in government policy is too often a gimmick to control and manipulate people so that they will keep professional politicans and bureaucrats in government where they can increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

It is because the left refuses to learn, recognize, and acknowledge this, and this problem is magnified by so much of education and the media being controlled by the left, that goverment is allowed to continue such destructive policies and even ratchet them up. And in the process we lose our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities chip by chip, law by law, and policy by policy until one day we will wake up and find ourselves living under a totalitarian government that will be accountable to nobody.

On a global scale, the motives and goal of the left is to continue this process until we all live under international authority and they can control and rule the world. They think that will produce the nearest thing to utopia that humankind can achieve.

Conservatives know they will not like what they have wrought.

Excellent commentary. The only thing to quibble with is the definition of slavery. Making individuals the serfs and property of a Totalitarian State (which is the agend of progressives, wittingly or not) is form of slavery.

Yes it is though it is something very different from the indefensible and cruel slavery engaged in up to the Civil War. The 'benevolent' slavery engaged in now is quite politically correct and is featured as compassionate and humane. It is much less coercive and much more subtle, but true American conservatives, as we defne conservative in these times, are able to see how destructive and counter productive it is.

The leftists/liberals/progressive, whatever the term applied to the modern day ideology, is either blind to the damage they do, or they intentionally ignore it in order to increase the power, scope, size, and authority of government in order to benefit themselves and bring about the 'new world order' that they envision.

 

[numan]

More proof that conservatives are ineducable.

Almost all Americans are ineducable -- whatever their political persuasion.

Their brains are far too stuffed with brainwashing to think reasonably.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

They were not conservatives, you twit.

They were Democrats.

Democrats: members of the party of slavery, segregation, sedition, and secularization.

Don't try to squirm out of your heritage.
Wear your label and be proud!

Conservative Democrats who became Republicans. It's the heritage of conservatism not liberalism that involves slavery and segregation and it's you that's embracing it.

The fairytale that these were "Conservative Democrats who became Republicans" was designed to hide the horrid past of the Democrats, and pretend that it was really the other side that were the segregationists.
It takes an uneducated simpleton to believe it.

Dixiecrats lost....but went right back to being Democrats.



Post #281 above demonstrates, irrefutably proves, that the racist party, the Democrat Party.....

....has never changed.



The roots of the poison tree have remained and feed the same party today.


I challenge you to rebut, deny, find errors....and if you cannot.....


...your post is proven wrong, mine proven right.

 

[Bfgrn]

See: Ad homenim.

Bravo.

You mean ad hominem? appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.

That is a perfect description of the motivation for the fallacy Lawrence W. Reed is trying to pass as truth. We don't have to go back the Great Depression to see how the right uses ad hominem attacks.

Here are 2 FACTS about the Great Depression AND the recent financial crisis:

• Capitalism and the free market economy were responsible for the Great Depression's stock market crash and the housing bubble crash. NOT government.

• AND, only government intervention brought about America's economic recovery.

When you know these 2 facts, and those facts totally destroy every one of your prejudices, emotions, or special interests, ad hominem is your only avenue.

Those two are about as far from 'facts' as one can get.



1. In 1931, in some of the darkest days of the Great Depression and the middle of the Hoover administration, unemployment rate stood at 17.4 %. Seven years later, after five years of FDR, and literally hundred s of wildly ambitious new government programs, more than doubling of federal spending, the national unemployment rate stood at – 17.4 %. At no point during the 1930’s did unemployment go below 14 %. Even in 1941, in the midst of the military buildup, 9.9 % of American workers were unemployed.
March 4, 1933, in his first Inaugural Address, FDR said “Our greatest primary task is to put people to work.” This meant that the New Deal was a wretched, ill-conceived failure.

2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .




3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

4. John Maynard Keynes, in a letter published in the NYTimes, December 31, 1933, warned “ even wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery. For it will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action.” Even Keynes saw the danger in treating the nation’s capitalists as an enemy, as “the unscrupulous money changers,” as FDR called them in his first Inaugural.





5. FDR and government solutions worsened the recession into a Depression.
Warren Harding inherited one of the sharpest recessions in American history in 1921. By July it was over. Harding and Treasury Sec’y Mellon cut government expenditures by 40 %, allowing wages to fall, in a natural recovery to full employment. The cuts, and even sharper tax cuts under Coolidge, produced the long period of growth and rising living standards associated with the Roaring Twenties.




6. 'In The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge.
He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."





For scholars, FDR is no longer off limits for study....and the above represent the direction revelations are going.

Of course, these revelations will have no moment for religious fanatics of a Liberal bent...such as you, BoringFriendlessGuy.



You may now return to genuflecting in front of the FDR icon......

1) BS PC, you need to provide sources and links on the unemployment.

2) The Recession of 1937–1938 was a temporary reversal of the pre-war 1933 to 1941 economic recovery from the Great Depression in the United States. Economists disagree about the causes of this downturn, but agree that government austerity reversed the recovery. wiki

3) The NRA was short lived, it was not a major factor either for or against.

4) Bluster

5) The recession of 1921 was caused by totally different factors than the 1929 crash.

To say that FDR should have done what Warren Harding did is like saying: 'I highly recommend this doctor who saved my life. I had gangrene in my leg and he amputated it.
And I go to the same doctor for the flu and he amputates MY leg.

Depression of 1920–21
Adjusting from war time to peace time was an enormous shock for the U.S. economy. Factories focused on war time production had to shut down or retool their production. A short Post-World War I recession occurred in the United States following Armistice Day, but this was followed by a growth spurt. The recession that occurred in 1920, however, was also affected by the adjustments following the end of the war, particularly the demobilization of soldiers. One of the biggest adjustments was the re-entry of soldiers into the civilian labor force.

6) More bluster...

FDR and the New Deal were a HUGE success.

Top Five Years for GDP Expansion:

1942, +18.5%
1941, +17.1%
1943, +16.4%
1936, +13.0%
1934, +10.9%

Top Five Years for GDP Contraction:

1932, -13.1%
1946, -10.9%
1930, -8.6%
1931, -6.5%
2009, -3.5%

The greatest yearly increase in GDP occurred during the New Deal, AND, the LARGEST DROP IN UNEMPLOYMENT in America history occurred during the New Deal...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Anybody who has read history knows that it is true that the Democrats were the party of slavery when slavery was an institution in this country. And now they would have us believe that those who accepted and/or condoned slavery are now the Republicans and Democrats are pure as the driven snow.

First, conservatism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. Liberalism, as it exists in America today, and slavery are separate things. No conservative in America today condones or defends slavery any more than does the most passionate flaming leftist/liberal.

But it is generally the conservative who sees liberal policies as detrimental and harmful to American black people as has been thoroughly documented and noted by such historians as Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. What appears to be compassion in government policy is too often a gimmick to control and manipulate people so that they will keep professional politicans and bureaucrats in government where they can increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

It is because the left refuses to learn, recognize, and acknowledge this, and this problem is magnified by so much of education and the media being controlled by the left, that goverment is allowed to continue such destructive policies and even ratchet them up. And in the process we lose our liberties, choices, options, and opportunities chip by chip, law by law, and policy by policy until one day we will wake up and find ourselves living under a totalitarian government that will be accountable to nobody.

On a global scale, the motives and goal of the left is to continue this process until we all live under international authority and they can control and rule the world. They think that will produce the nearest thing to utopia that humankind can achieve.

Conservatives know they will not like what they have wrought.

Conservatives in the 19th century lost the battle to preserve slavery. Conservatives in the 20th century lost the battle to preserve segregation.

They also lost the battle to prevent women's suffrage.

Conservatives in the 21st century are losing the battle against gay rights.

This is just how history works. Conservatives in every generation are always on the wrong side of history when it comes to the important social issues of that generation.

Liberals win the battles, the spoils of victory become the status quo, and the next generation of conservatives become more liberal than their predecessors,

but they find their own contemporary battles to eventually lose.

They were not conservatives, you twit.


They were Democrats.

Democrats: members of the party of slavery, segregation, sedition, and secularization.

Don't try to squirm out of your heritage.
Wear your label and be proud!

Zell Miller is a Democrat. He is a Conservative. He endorsed Bush and McCain for president. He worked for Lester Maddox. He is a hero of the modern American Right. He is probably a hero of yours.

Southern Democrats in the post Civil War era up until the shift that occurred from 1964 on were mostly CONSERVATIVES.

That is common knowledge. That is irrefutable fact.

To deny irrefutable fact is the lowest form of stupidity.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gee....you didn't have to go far to prove you're a fool....

...just refer to Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes, as the 'rightwing mythology.'


Nice work!

It is a rightwing myth now. You believe it. Rightwingers love to attach a token liberal or two their myths.

Those are quotes.
They stand for themselves.
The represent the considered opinions of Brookings and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr and John Maynard Keynes,


Do you know what quotes are....or is this another word I have to teach you.

Your Keynes quote is from 1933. FDR took office in 1933. How could your Keynes quote from 1933 be an argument that FDR prolonged the depression?

lol