Put Up, or Shut Up; What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific

[The Rabbi]

Fiscal conservatives would do the only plan that works. Reduce regulation and taxes and let free enterprise solve the problem. The big lie of the left, Homey, is that government can create a job. Government creates nothing, so it creates no value. It's a leach on the economy. Government creating jobs that create no value cannot create a net job.

You have a pool that's half full. And you have a bucket. Fill the pool by repeatedly taking water out of the pool, dumping some water on the ground, and pouring the rest back into the pool. That's what a government created job does.

That's not 100% true. But it's close enough.
Government does engage in some limited functions that require personnel but probably create more weatlh than they consume. Patents, standards of weights and measures, contract law and enforcement are examples that come to mind. BUt we're talking about maybe 2% of what the present government does.

In terms of "creating" value, no. However, we buy for example insurance to protect what we have. Insurance does not make us wealthier, but it keeps us from being poorer. The military, police, etc. do this. There is also transaction costs of living, like drivers licenses. Managing limited resources and recognition of property rights are the cost of doing business, private markets are built on those, they can't solve them. But create value, government does not do.

The discussion was not whether government performs a function. I'm a small government libertarian, not an anarchist, so yes, I do see that government serves a purpose. The discussion was whether government can create jobs. Government cannot create net jobs. Any job created killed at least one job, probably more.

Not to carp but that is not true.
A bond is a contract. Without reasonable expectation of enforcement the bond would be worthless. So the state creates stability and predictability, which add value,

 

[OnePercenter]

That's true only if you're discombobulated. For those of us who are more combobulated the answers of less government, lower taxes work just fine to produce genuine prosperity across the board.

That sounds remarkably like more vague, simple minded rhetoric.

To the economically illiterate it probably does.
What did you want to hear? The GOP will vote a subsidy of $5k to every family earning under $30? The GOP will force employers to pay for employees rent?
That's not what we do. We trust in the market for the most part to be self regulating because we know no single person or even agency has enough information to price goods and services.
That's an advanced concept in economics, a subject I am certain you never studied.

Since the market is fixed, and self-regulating is a joke the Republicans have nothing.

 

[OnePercenter]

Oil companies make 6 cents per dollar on gas, where as in the state of California, including state and federal tax, the government earns 9 cents per dollar of gas.

The middle class needs less government interference and lower taxes, that's what republicans offer although good luck getting it

Wrong. You were asking the same question over, and over, and over again. There were many responses that you chose to ignore. That constitutes SPAM. If you continue in that manner it will get closed again.

Your statement here...

"That's the point......They can't"

Implies that you have merely posted a baiting and polarizing thread and that too is a violation of the rules. Why don't you tell us what the Democrats are going to do to help the middle class. So far, the middle class gets to pay almost double for gasoline over what the gas prices were during the Bush era....and they have maintained that elevated level for the entire time that Obama has been in office.

Regular energy costs will likewise skyrocket if the EPA is able to enforce the rules they want to. That enriches the rich but once again it screws the middle class. How exactly are the Democrats going to mitigate that? By ripping off the upper middle class to help the lower middle class?

How about the ACA? How many are going to die because they can't get in to see doctors? If the VA is any sort of analog (and weren't you ALL crowing about how great the VA was before the truth came out) the backlog is going to be epic and tens of thousands will die before they get the care they need.

How exactly is that going to help the middle class? Or are you one of those who believe in killing something to save it?

Be specific in your responses.

I'm asking a question that nobody can answer.

For your questions:

Gasoline and oil are priced on the market. No sitting President has any control. The rich are doing it.

Which EPA rules do you speak?

Who isn't getting care under ACA?

The VA is better than it was under Bush, but remains severely underfunded. Something you have to ask the Republicans about.

The six cents per gallon is including field operations, processing/refining, transportation, and consumer sales?

 

[OnePercenter]

No, you are. You want to "give" handouts, and you ask what Republicans want to "give." I am accurately pointing out how you appeal to groups by giving them handouts, lowering the bar. Less government gives them opportunity. And you're back to OK, whatever, so what are you going to give them?

People benefits from more liberty and less tyranny. Democrats divide groups and pit them against each other. And then you say, those meanie Republicans are going to take your check from you! They are going to force your employer to discriminate by not stopping them! You give more opportunity with less government. That is giving everyone the most opportunity. Government checks are not opportunity, they are the reverse, they are dependency.

Now the Republicans delivering on less government, that isn't happening. But your question of what government checks and dependency programs they are going to give people to give them more opportunity is just fatally flawed, it's like have you stopped beating your wife.

I never wrote 'handouts', you did.

So tell us, what are Republicans going to do to increase the number of jobs in the US?

Fiscal conservatives would do the only plan that works. Reduce regulation and taxes and let free enterprise solve the problem. The big lie of the left, Homey, is that government can create a job. Government creates nothing, so it creates no value. It's a leach on the economy. Government creating jobs that create no value cannot create a net job.

You have a pool that's half full. And you have a bucket. Fill the pool by repeatedly taking water out of the pool, dumping some water on the ground, and pouring the rest back into the pool. That's what a government created job does.

Which regulations need reduced?

Lower taxes? We have the 16th lowest corporate effective tax.

Free enterprise = free market?

 

[OnePercenter]

Isn't the far left (or as you call then Democrats) running in November?

Democrats want to raise minimum wages and the Republicans have nothing? Should be a short race!

Please...make that your centerpiece. I'd love it.

It is going to be a short race.

Everybody accepts that the GOP will pick up seats in the senate. Many believe they will have the majority.

So you keep at it. We need losers like you running the other campaigns.

Democrats not taking Congress and the White House will suck for the middle class/working class.

 

[westwall]

That sounds remarkably like more vague, simple minded rhetoric.

To the economically illiterate it probably does.
What did you want to hear? The GOP will vote a subsidy of $5k to every family earning under $30? The GOP will force employers to pay for employees rent?
That's not what we do. We trust in the market for the most part to be self regulating because we know no single person or even agency has enough information to price goods and services.
That's an advanced concept in economics, a subject I am certain you never studied.

Since the market is fixed, and self-regulating is a joke the Republicans have nothing.

Yep your Democrats are enjoying every second of their run of power.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJtXhl5nPDo]'60 Minutes' Asks Nancy Pelosi About Her Involving With Credit Card Companies - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tULo8Tar0]60 MINUTES congressional insider trading - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws_88aAqJMo]US Politicians Exempt From Insider Trading Laws - YouTube[/ame]

You ARE correct, it is fixed. Just admit that both sides do it.

 

[dblack]

The powers that be closed my thread because I posted a question that was too hard to answer.

So here it is again;

What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific

Corporatism, uber alles.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The powers that be closed my thread because I posted a question that was too hard to answer.

So here it is again;

What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific

I've got a better idea! What the HELL have the democrats offered the middle class for the past 6 years?



That's what I thought.

 

[OnePercenter]

The powers that be closed my thread because I posted a question that was too hard to answer.

So here it is again;

What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific

I've got a better idea! What the HELL have the democrats offered the middle class for the past 6 years?

That's what I thought.

Answer mine and I'll answer yours. Be specific.

 

[Bush92]

Republicans are offering boots on the ground and more war. Civil War killed the Whig's...that fucking Iraq War killed GOP party. Nobody trust a GOP candidate for Presidents after Bush lied to go into Iraq,

 

[Bush92]

[QUOTBush92;9362166]Republicans are offering boots on the ground and more war. Civil War killed the Whig's...that fucking Iraq War killed GOP party. Nobody trust a GOP candidate for President after Bush lied to go into Iraq,[/QUOTE]
FACT

 

[kaz]

I never wrote 'handouts', you did.

So tell us, what are Republicans going to do to increase the number of jobs in the US?

Fiscal conservatives would do the only plan that works. Reduce regulation and taxes and let free enterprise solve the problem. The big lie of the left, Homey, is that government can create a job. Government creates nothing, so it creates no value. It's a leach on the economy. Government creating jobs that create no value cannot create a net job.

You have a pool that's half full. And you have a bucket. Fill the pool by repeatedly taking water out of the pool, dumping some water on the ground, and pouring the rest back into the pool. That's what a government created job does.

Which regulations need reduced?

Lower taxes? We have the 16th lowest corporate effective tax.

Free enterprise = free market?

All regulations should be eliminated except the ones that can be shown the Federal government had Constitutional authority when they did it.

Some that would be a start would be to eliminate unemployment, Obamacare, Social Security, Payroll, taxes on repatriation of overseas money, progressive tax rates, government mandates on employee healthcare, different tax rates on different products, elimination of all the domestic energy exploration moratoriums, elimination of tarriffs and all export restrictions, elimination of the Fed and government control of the financial sector, elimination of control of the agricultural sector and subsidies for uneconomically grown crops, ...

 

[OnePercenter]

Fiscal conservatives would do the only plan that works. Reduce regulation and taxes and let free enterprise solve the problem. The big lie of the left, Homey, is that government can create a job. Government creates nothing, so it creates no value. It's a leach on the economy. Government creating jobs that create no value cannot create a net job.

You have a pool that's half full. And you have a bucket. Fill the pool by repeatedly taking water out of the pool, dumping some water on the ground, and pouring the rest back into the pool. That's what a government created job does.

Which regulations need reduced?

Lower taxes? We have the 16th lowest corporate effective tax.

Free enterprise = free market?

All regulations should be eliminated except the ones that can be shown the Federal government had Constitutional authority when they did it.

Regulations are to prevent one person from fucking over someone else. Whats wrong with that? Isn't that what our dead forefathers fought for?

Some that would be a start would be to eliminate unemployment,

Corporate America is sitting on $100T cash. Seems we need regulation.

Obamacare,

Which is ACA. Which wouldn't be necessary if Reagan hadn't fucked with the HMO act.

Social Security,

If it will make you happy we can cancel yours.

Payroll,

People should work for free? Maybe a BIG HUG!

taxes on repatriation of overseas money,

You pay taxes, shouldn't companies, after all, they are people too.

progressive tax rates,

And yet were number 16 in effective tax rates.

government mandates on employee healthcare,

Tax payers should fund employed folks healthcare? Besides, it makes tax free funds for employers; employee co-pay.

different tax rates on different products,

Consumer items yes.

elimination of all the domestic energy exploration moratoriums,

BP was such a responsible company.

elimination of tarriffs and all export restrictions,

Selling nuclear bombs to Iran is such a GOOD IDEA.

elimination of the Fed and government control of the financial sector,

No rules for wall street. That's such a good idea.

elimination of control of the agricultural sector and subsidies for uneconomically grown crops, ...

Corporate America in-charge of our food without rules?

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

 

[dblack]

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

For what it's worth, I'd suggest you remove your thanks of my comment above ("Corporatism, uber alles"). I'm pretty sure you missed the point. I was commenting on the misguided assumptions of the question ("What are the Republicans offering the middle class?"), which reflects a desire for corporatist government. Corporatism views government as a mediator which doles out favors and perks to competing special interest groups. Corporatism is antithetical to equal rights and rule of law.

In my view, the Republican party (and the Democrats too for that matter) should do the same thing for the middle class that they do for everyone else. That's what 'general welfare' is really all about - it's the opposite of 'specific welfare' and requires government to implement policies that benefit everyone, not just special interests.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which regulations need reduced?

Lower taxes? We have the 16th lowest corporate effective tax.

Free enterprise = free market?

All regulations should be eliminated except the ones that can be shown the Federal government had Constitutional authority when they did it.

Regulations are to prevent one person from fucking over someone else. Whats wrong with that? Isn't that what our dead forefathers fought for?

Some that would be a start would be to eliminate unemployment,

Corporate America is sitting on $100T cash. Seems we need regulation.

Obamacare,

Which is ACA. Which wouldn't be necessary if Reagan hadn't fucked with the HMO act.

Social Security,

If it will make you happy we can cancel yours.

Payroll,

People should work for free? Maybe a BIG HUG!

taxes on repatriation of overseas money,

You pay taxes, shouldn't companies, after all, they are people too.

progressive tax rates,

And yet were number 16 in effective tax rates.

government mandates on employee healthcare,

Tax payers should fund employed folks healthcare? Besides, it makes tax free funds for employers; employee co-pay.

different tax rates on different products,

Consumer items yes.

elimination of all the domestic energy exploration moratoriums,

BP was such a responsible company.

elimination of tarriffs and all export restrictions,

Selling nuclear bombs to Iran is such a GOOD IDEA.

elimination of the Fed and government control of the financial sector,

No rules for wall street. That's such a good idea.

elimination of control of the agricultural sector and subsidies for uneconomically grown crops, ...

Corporate America in-charge of our food without rules?

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

Corporate America is sitting on $100T cash.

Holy crap!!! Is that the same bad math as your claim that WalMart pays 1.7% effective tax?

Seems we need regulation.

Yes! We need government to tell corporations how and when to spend their cash. Assclown.

 

[Listening]

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

You've never had an experience where a corporation treated you with respect or went above and beyond the call of duty in regards to customers or employees ?

 

[Papageorgio]

I never wrote 'handouts', you did.

So tell us, what are Republicans going to do to increase the number of jobs in the US?

Fiscal conservatives would do the only plan that works. Reduce regulation and taxes and let free enterprise solve the problem. The big lie of the left, Homey, is that government can create a job. Government creates nothing, so it creates no value. It's a leach on the economy. Government creating jobs that create no value cannot create a net job.

You have a pool that's half full. And you have a bucket. Fill the pool by repeatedly taking water out of the pool, dumping some water on the ground, and pouring the rest back into the pool. That's what a government created job does.

Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...


Every Republican administration in memory has created record deficits - passing that money along to the wealthy, where it remains in the bank accounts and out of the economy.


The Republican/conservative sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.

So when Clinton signed NAFTA in law, that was the Republican's fault? You know to say either side sold us down the river is only half right. Both sides signed and put into law treaties that allowed the jobs to go.

Nice spin for partisan sake, wrong but nice spin.

 

[OnePercenter]

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

You've never had an experience where a corporation treated you with respect or went above and beyond the call of duty in regards to customers or employees ?

It's called customer retention. They want you for your money.

 

[Listening]

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

You've never had an experience where a corporation treated you with respect or went above and beyond the call of duty in regards to customers or employees ?

It's called customer retention. They want you for your money.

So, they don't always f**k you over ?

Hmmmm.........

 

[Papageorgio]

Corporate America, if given the chance, WILL fuck you over. That's their job.

You've never had an experience where a corporation treated you with respect or went above and beyond the call of duty in regards to customers or employees ?

It's called customer retention. They want you for your money.

People that feel this way are the same people that would love to fuck you over, if given a chance.

He is a fucking, lying douche bag and believes everyone else is to.