Racist groups vs Free Speech, i've converted...

[skews13]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

by taking down those statues and removing those flags you are basically playing into their persecution complex and giving them nothing but fodder for recruiting more people to their cause.

There is no reason to remove statues or monuments other than some people just feel a sense of butt hurt when they think or look at them. It's the same revulsion I feel when i walk past some nimrod with a Che shirt on. However I don't feel a need to rip the shirt off or yell at them about it. I sneer, shake my head, and KEEP WALKING.

I disagree, that might be the short term play that they will attempt to capitalize on but in the long term it is removing a source of power and supremacy that exists. Many of those statues were constructed during the Jim Crow era as a check to the blacks that the values of the confederacy still exist. Like I said in the OP whether you take them down or minimize them with "counter" statues of civil rights leaders, I think either is a smart move to combat the hate.

The only power being provided is to the white power idiots, giving them a cause and a platform. Most of these were built in the early 1900's, well after the South "won" via plessey. What most of them are related to is the dying off of the Civil War Veterans, most of whom would have been in their 60's-80's between 1900 and 1920, when a lot of these monuments went up. Even the ones that went up in the 60's can be related to the 100th anniversaries of the start and the end of the Civil War

Why not just put up more memorials to Civil Rights leaders and let people see them all? .

Because time goes on and a whole new generation of people will evolve while the current generation of adults that are familiar die off. Which means very young children and those not born yet will ever be exposed to those statues or the adults caught up in the conflict of the moment forever erasing the stain from public view and relegating it to history books that they won't care about after leaving school permanently throwing the Confederacy and white supremacy on the scrap heap of history. After the 2040's a minority majority is now the US populace and the shit stains that are the current neonazi kkk white supremacists never again have any power politically socially or economically to be of any relevance. So I also take side with the OP that every single statue these maggots worship should be removed completely before the end of 2017.

I'd warn against taking a hardline stance on this as proposing unreasonable or unrealistic options like removing all statues this year without civil discourse or debate can lead to empowering your opponents and hurting your cause. Same goes with the proposals that i've heard from many on the left wing that the Washington and Jefferson monuments be taken down because they were slave owners.

To have a healthy discussion and action plan you need to be able understand the perspectives from all angles and there is a value viewpoint, held by many, that appreciates American history and the role that these figures played. For those who find these statues as important/valuable on a historical basis then perhaps moving them to museums or adding other monuments to stand with them that tells a more complete story is the appropriate way to move forward. This takes away the celebration and empowerment that hate groups associate with these statues and still preserves them for historical purposes. Either way, it has to be taken in a case by case basis.

They want martyrs, and will create them out of thin air if need be. These morons are professional victims. It's what some of them actually do for a living, complete with their own marketing program on AM radio Fox News Sinclair Broadcasting Breitbart and online services like Red State Storm Front and Info Wars. There can be no appeasement for them. They want capitulation to their causes, not broad consensus. While I may be brought to agreement on recognizing their speech rights in the name of Constitutional protections for all, I agree to give them nothing in the way of preservation of any of their institutions or negotiating their twisted ideology as being allowed in the mainstream. If any of them wish to negotiate a reasonable timeline for the removal of their monuments of treachery treason and terror, I'm all ears.

 

[Crixus]

Glad to see you have your priorities straight... I'm fogged in :-/

Hey, real fast, interesting and informative article. Personally, I would be more inclined to listening to a guy or gal who was not in a mask and breaking stuff. Good article though.



Analysis | Who are the antifa?


But what is antifa? Where did it come from? Militant anti-fascist or “antifa” (pronounced ANtifa) is a radical pan-leftist politics of social revolution applied to fighting the far right. Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists who reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.

Trying to find the information where he got that the majority are communists, socialists and anarchists. I mean I could write a piece where I say that white supremacists predominantly believe that by eating babies they will be able to raise Hitler from the dead into a zombie Hitler. But without any evidence to back that up, what I wrote is completely worthless.

I've seen no data on the make up of that group. I have heard that some Anarchist groups have joined up with their cause, but beyond that I don't know what their activist demographic is comprised of... My guess is that it is diverse like it is for BLM

No, you ignore them, and like most human endeavors a large part of the movement is made up of the not 100% committed. If they are ignored, many will lose interest and you will left with the dullard impotent core.

Half of the confederate monuments were put up in the heyday of Jim Crow period. When you ignore them, they do not lose interest and they do not go away - they breed and multiply.

The early Jim Crow period was also right around the time many of the veterans from the war were dying off, it was when the Union memorials also were going up.

Many of these are from the 1890's to the 1920's which puts the youngest (15 in 1865) vets around 45 to 75 years old.

...but Union side had something to be proud of.

Who cares? They won! You need to deal with that! Settled hash. Who gives two fucks who owned slaves or what socks the union was during reconstruction. It happened deal with it. And America used slaves. Deal with it. No black people wer or are slaves today and the blunbellys aren't roaming the streets tar and feathering rebs.

Yea who cares if White Supremacists descend on a town about to remove a confederate statue. WHO CARES! Settled hash.

No one payed attention until you did though. What I do have an issue the statue haters doing stupid whit like planting bombs on statues. See, Herman park is where my family plays yet one of your heros decided we had to pay for his whit guilt, or almost did. Fuck you. here, read all about your hero. From what I understand, he may need some help with Bail.




Texas man tries to plant bomb on Confederate statue, officials say



So, what did my peeps and do to deserve getting bombs by you lefttards other then he white?

 

[Slade3200]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

 

[Crixus]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

People still get where you are coming from. Pretty much what you tell a bully when they get payed out. "It sucks, I'm sorry you're hurt, but you really were asking for it". That type thing, and I feel it to except I hate skin head nazi types. Racism aside, they are just odd birds.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

If you didn't think they were blameless, you wouldn't have whined that Trump called them out.

 

[Slade3200]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

If you didn't think they were blameless, you wouldn't have whined that Trump called them out.

You should check that logic. It's completely wrong

 

[Pumpkin Row]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

If you didn't think they were blameless, you wouldn't have whined that Trump called them out.

You should check that logic. It's completely wrong

Actually, it's absolutely flawless. He called out all of the guilty parties, and lumped ANTIFA in with the white supremacist crowds, where they belong, because they're all thugs.

 

[12icer]

You don't see the difference between the soldiers and the generals/leaders? Come on Marty, think on this one for a few minutes.

It does not matter what the damn statue is, it is being taken down. IT IS about the soldiers, if you are too stupid to know that which I doubt, you are too stupid to know the truth about why anyone would want to remove them.

 

[Slade3200]

It's been a crazy week and i've engaged in many heated discussions about the events of Charlottesville. I have to admit that i've been greatly conflicted about my anti-racist feelings and my support of free speech. I flirted dangerously close in many discussions to promoting the shutdown of speech for white supremacist groups. I saw them as threats, conveyers of hate speech and given their history which has resulted in millions of deaths I was ok with suppressing their speech and shutting down their causes by whatever means necessary. But, I've had a change of heart.

I think we can be smarter than that and not empower these assholes to strip us of our freedoms. It is a slippery slope once you start suppressing speech. We have legal censorship in a variety of areas which i'm fine with, but shutting down groups from holding rallies, having websites and protesting is only going to lead to bad things. Note that I in no way support any provocation of violence or destruction resulting from rallies or protests. If that happens then shut them down immediately and make arrests.

I would promote fighting these douchebags by ignoring them and minimizing them in a SMART way. Don't lower yourself to fight with them and fuel their cause. Take away their statues and flags that empower them in public forums and show them that our communities outright reject their hateful views. Or construct monuments and statues of civil rights leaders next to the confederate statues and tell the story about how we prevailed and fought agains their hate, and WE WON. Ignore their rallies and don't give them the exposure or attention that they crave. Speak louder and stronger for equality.

I still think that the Presidents comments that minimized the ugliness of the Nazi's and White Supremacists were wildly inappropriate. He tried to spread the blame to the left for the anti-protests and it deluded his message of condemnation that should have been crystal clear in opposition of the hate groups. He should have spread the message in a better way to fight against it. I don't want to relitigate Trumps actions in this OP but I did want to share my change of opinion and open up a discussion about productive ways to move forward that combats the hate and preserves our right of free speech.

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

If you didn't think they were blameless, you wouldn't have whined that Trump called them out.

You should check that logic. It's completely wrong

Actually, it's absolutely flawless. He called out all of the guilty parties, and lumped ANTIFA in with the white supremacist crowds, where they belong, because they're all thugs.

You are probably right, the vast majority of the nation including many republicans, accomplished CEOs and Trump supporters are all just crazy and reacting to nothing. Keep running with that. Ignorance is bliss I guess

 

[Slade3200]

You don't see the difference between the soldiers and the generals/leaders? Come on Marty, think on this one for a few minutes.

It does not matter what the damn statue is, it is being taken down. IT IS about the soldiers, if you are too stupid to know that which I doubt, you are too stupid to know the truth about why anyone would want to remove them.

Pretty simple, people want to remove statues that stand for messages of hate and racism. It's not complicated. You can't really deny that many were erected with those purposes... same thing with the confederate flag

 

[12icer]

Really?? You don't think that Jim Crow had anything to do with it?

You must not know anything about the reconstruction of the south or the real history of the 1820s to the 1890s. the communist shit doing all of the attacking of our history Knows it very well, that is why they are trying to destroy it. Oh and don't start with the new revised history written by some leftist born in the 1980s it is all lies just like everything they teach in schools about history and the TRUTH behind our founding and our Constitution.

 

[12icer]

You don't see the difference between the soldiers and the generals/leaders? Come on Marty, think on this one for a few minutes.

It does not matter what the damn statue is, it is being taken down. IT IS about the soldiers, if you are too stupid to know that which I doubt, you are too stupid to know the truth about why anyone would want to remove them.

Pretty simple, people want to remove statues that stand for messages of hate and racism. It's not complicated. You can't really deny that many were erected with those purposes... same thing with the confederate flag

DAMN LIE they want to subjugate everyone by force, and they know if they can marginalize small groups of people there will be less backlash when they kill them then as the groups are killed, they attatch other people to the groups and kill them AND >>>>>>>>> JUST ASK the 70 women and children they murdered at MT Carmel. Got news for you this shit will end soon and you dimshit scum aren't gonna like it.

 

[Slade3200]

Really?? You don't think that Jim Crow had anything to do with it?

You must not know anything about the reconstruction of the south or the real history of the 1820s to the 1890s. the communist shit doing all of the attacking of our history Knows it very well, that is why they are trying to destroy it. Oh and don't start with the new revised history written by some leftist born in the 1980s it is all lies just like everything they teach in schools about history and the TRUTH behind our founding and our Constitution.

How about some specifics to back up and explain your claims...

 

[12icer]

...but Union side had something to be proud of.

Yeah rape of women and girls murder of male children and destruction, and desolation of half of the country in an unconstitutional war. Really something to be proud of just like murdering 40 or 50 thousand babies a year scum.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You're just upset that he held everyone responsible for their actions. The counter-protesters(ANTIFA) were there for a fight, and when they're not trying to shut down other protests, they're rioting, burning private property, and assaulting random people. The fact that you think that they're totally blameless speaks volumes about you. You should be proud of the president for condemning all guilty parties, while also making sure that he didn't making a sweeping judgment of everyone present. You're just butthurt that the leftists there were lumped in with the other thugs, where they belong.

Don't make assumptions child... I never said that the left was blameless, in fact i've said the exact opposite many times. Don't put words in my mouth. Maybe take a little less time making false assumptions and more time trying to comprehend and understand what other people are trying to say. My message obviously went right over your head.

If you didn't think they were blameless, you wouldn't have whined that Trump called them out.

You should check that logic. It's completely wrong

Actually, it's absolutely flawless. He called out all of the guilty parties, and lumped ANTIFA in with the white supremacist crowds, where they belong, because they're all thugs.

You are probably right, the vast majority of the nation including many republicans, accomplished CEOs and Trump supporters are all just crazy and reacting to nothing. Keep running with that. Ignorance is bliss I guess

You must be able to back that up, if you're going to claim it.

 

[Slash]

...but Union side had something to be proud of.

Yeah rape of women and girls murder of male children and destruction, and desolation of half of the country in an unconstitutional war. Really something to be proud of just like murdering 40 or 50 thousand babies a year scum.

It wasn't considered Rape. The South had laws that said sexual assault of black slaves was not rape. And for the most part, murder of slaves was legal and rarely prosecuted.

As for the unconstitutional war, based on The Constitution and the powers it gave the Supreme Court to judge law and fact, the war was in fact the suppression of a rebellion, which is what the President should do. We do have a lot of anarchists who feel that we should throw out the Constitution and it's influence when it doesn't suit their storylines, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

[12icer]

Really?? You don't think that Jim Crow had anything to do with it?

You must not know anything about the reconstruction of the south or the real history of the 1820s to the 1890s. the communist shit doing all of the attacking of our history Knows it very well, that is why they are trying to destroy it. Oh and don't start with the new revised history written by some leftist born in the 1980s it is all lies just like everything they teach in schools about history and the TRUTH behind our founding and our Constitution.

How about some specifics to back up and explain your claims...

What specifics from what section, and really why should I waste my time to even spit on a murdering leftist Nazi communist . Lets say the FACT that seems to be thrown out in the rewritten history that this country had slaves for less time than any other country in the world. About 80 years or so after it was actually a Country. How about the FACT that most of the men fighting in the Civil war fought to protect their homes crops Wives and daughters from rape and their sons from being murdered by soldiers that were there in a war that had NO constitutional basis. How about the FACT that The South was the strongest economic region in this country at the time. How about the fact that the north had the same type of slaves that the King of England had in their Commoners Factory workers that were enslaved in factories and were actually treated worse than slaves in many humanitarian ways because they had much less value to lose a slave in the south was to lose a VERY expensive piece of property as much as 7 or 8 thousand dollars and that was a lot of cotton., How about the FACT that when all those blacks came up north more of them were killed by the Yankees than were ever killed in the south because they were taking the jobs from the working class and the soldiers that had just freed them couldn't get jobs because of them. ON AND ON it just keeps on going ON AND >>>>> How about the FACT that the common white people of the south lived with much less than any of the slaves that were owned by the Rich politically connected shit that owned them YOU KNOW THE DEMOCRATS you love!!! You lying piles of disgusting shit should Know all of this, and I expect you do but it doesn't help you intimidate, defame, terrorize, and extort things from the decent people in this country. That is why as I always post many have tried but all have failed so far, and with any luck we will flush the leftist shit in this country like we did all of the other racist, treasonous, murdering shit that came before you.

 

[12icer]

...but Union side had something to be proud of.

Yeah rape of women and girls murder of male children and destruction, and desolation of half of the country in an unconstitutional war. Really something to be proud of just like murdering 40 or 50 thousand babies a year scum.

It wasn't considered Rape. The South had laws that said sexual assault of black slaves was not rape. And for the most part, murder of slaves was legal and rarely prosecuted.

As for the unconstitutional war, based on The Constitution and the powers it gave the Supreme Court to judge law and fact, the war was in fact the suppression of a rebellion, which is what the President should do. We do have a lot of anarchists who feel that we should throw out the Constitution and it's influence when it doesn't suit their storylines, but that doesn't change the facts.

ALL wrong next lying leftist murderer. You need to learn the FACTS about the times before you post anything to rebut the Truth

 

[12icer]

I'd warn against taking a hardline stance on this as proposing unreasonable or unrealistic options like removing all statues this year without civil discourse or debate can lead to empowering your opponents and hurting your cause. Same goes with the proposals that i've heard from many on the left wing that the Washington and Jefferson monuments be taken down because they were slave owners.

To have a healthy discussion and action plan you need to be able understand the perspectives from all angles and there is a value viewpoint, held by many, that appreciates American history and the role that these figures played. For those who find these statues as important/valuable on a historical basis then perhaps moving them to museums or adding other monuments to stand with them that tells a more complete story is the appropriate way to move forward. This takes away the celebration and empowerment that hate groups associate with these statues and still preserves them for historical purposes. Either way, it has to be taken in a case by case basis.

HA you are dumb as hell aren't you it has nothing to do with a single damn statue, That is pure bullshit, and the dimshit scum and the leftist murdering treasonous scum that are part of the dimshit scum party do not want any discourse at all, What they mean when they call for a Meaningful discussion about race in this country means "We want to get you in a place where we can shout you down yell over you and browbeat you into accepting what the fuck we are going to make you do!!!" It has never been about statues just as there has never been even one thousandth the violence and assaults from the conservatives that there have been from the leftist Nazis.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Well, because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean that anti-racist don't have freedom of speech to protest you.