DustyInfinity
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I'd agree completely that there are a LOT of people who take every last single possible little thing and go completely off the rails with it. It happened with Obama and it's happening with Trump, and there's no reason to believe that it's going to improve with the next President. The lunatics are running the asylum.That's the big picture question going forward - is this a one-off or the new normal?From reading these pages and threads on USMB, one must conclude that to be a "Real American", one must accept and or excuse the endless prolific compulsive lying of Donald Trump. Criticizing him for lying is considered "unAmerican". Providing links and videos of Trump lying is tantamount to treason.
The chaos and confusion created by Trump's misinformation and disinformation campaigns in American politics have drastically changed the nature of American politics.
Has Trump created a precedent where Americans expecting or demanding truth is unAmerican?
His fans have made it abundantly clear that NONE of his behaviors matter as long as he pushes their political agenda forward. That opens the door to the Democrats doing the same thing, and down the toilet we go, where there are no rules, no standards, no expectations.
This is the predictable result when we make a deal with the devil and forgive everything. This might just be the beginning.
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I did not support his criticism of an American city, but overall I don't get too excited about his personal conduct. His political enemies are fair game, and except for Ted Cruz's dad, he leaves people's families alone. I don't think it is Trump supporters problem for supporting someone who actually delivers on policies we wanted. I think the biggest issue is his enemies constantly stroking out over ever thing he does. For example two scoops of ice cream. I think it is a fail to attack voters for supporting someone who is a match on policy. It is a bit petty.
But I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder how far we plan on lowering our standards. I'm talking about the most fundamental aspects of behaviors that we have always expected from adults, let alone the President of the United States. This is a man who says or tweets something virtually every day for which we would scold our children, and to forgive that says more about us than it says about him.
And that's my real concern. Trump is merely a symptom. Like Kim Kardashian. It can't be a good sign for a culture to lionize people like this, yet here we are.
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I've noticed the deterioration of discourse as well. It became real evident when the media began attacking W. Bush. It was a blatant lack of respect. I think many people are being too sensitive about the tweeting. Not a fan of attacking Baltimore, but in general it is pretty harmless. I'm having trouble understanding Democrat's moral conundrums about Trump, when the media is actually attacking his family. It is not ok to say the other side does it too, but if you are worried about people going too low, attacking people's families seems much worse than critical tweets. Encouraging the public to attack other citizens is just sick. Trump tweets, but he doesn't attack children and encourage the public to beat up people who disagree.
You have to be more specific. Some of his family is in official roles. It is valid to condemn them if they are doing something you disagree with.
How about attacking his youngest son, his daughter Tiffany, and his wife? I'll sum it up for you guys. A person can have an Obama bumper sticker in Indiana, and have no trouble at all. What happens if someone has a Trump bumper sticker on either cost? What would the media say about it? Being civil would be a great thing, but hating Trump is no reason to justify such behavior. Maybe we could quit telling people to be offended by Trump, and decide to stop physically assaulting people we don't agree with.