Replace the ACA with single payer

[Claudette]

Single payer, you pay your own bills and stop mooching off me I like it.

Single payer means it comes out of taxes. Tough shytte for the rich.

Not only the rich dumbass. Everyones taxes will be used to pay for those who can't pay for themselves.

God you are a moron.

This one is the poster child for liberal drone. Check out his sig line manifesto

He and Shittingbull are the most biased hacks on this board. They should marry. They deserve each other. LOL

Do you really want those two breeding?

Nah. But a fly on the wall should get an eyeful and probably LHAO. LOL

 

[CowboyTed]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

The NHS absolutely sucks balls

Used plenty of times... Pretty good...

 

[Skull Pilot]

How Single-Payer Health Care Failed in Progressive Paradise

Socialized medicine a global failure

From Canada to the United Kingdom and even Scandinavia, single-payer systems have proven cripplingly expensive even as they limit patients’ ability to access quality care.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

 

[Claudette]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

Socialism works great till you run out of other peoples money.

How right Maggie Thatcher was.

 

[Penelope]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

Tell an uninsured person that the US has the best healthcare. No it should not be privatized.

 

[Penelope]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

Socialism works great till you run out of other peoples money.

How right Maggie Thatcher was.

Well since the elites made it off the backs of the working class they can pay for it. How is that. They can at least pay taxes.

 

[Claudette]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

Tell an uninsured person that the US has the best healthcare. No it should not be privatized.

Tell the uninsured to buy their own health care.

And yes it should be privatized.

 

[Penelope]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

What is evil is pure capitalism. That is evil.

 

[Claudette]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

What is evil is pure capitalism. That is evil.

Whats evil is folks like you who think we taxpayers should bankroll everyone.

That is evil.

 

[Penelope]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

Tell an uninsured person that the US has the best healthcare. No it should not be privatized.

Tell the uninsured to buy their own health care.

And yes it should be privatized.

They do with the ACA.

 

[Penelope]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

What is evil is pure capitalism. That is evil.

Whats evil is folks like you who think we taxpayers should bankroll everyone.

That is evil.

You know what , if the elites paid their taxes there would be plenty to go around.

 

[Penelope]

Replace the ACA with single payer the rest of the civilized world enjoys. Lets not be left out in the cold!!!!

-It would be cheaper
-Moral

Only rich can afford what the ryans of this world want. That is wrong.

Only an idiot like you would want the Govt. in charge of HC for three hundred million Americans.

The Govt. that has never done anything cheaply or well.

The Govt. that turns into mountains of paperwork, red tape and long waits.

The Govt. has no business in HC at all and anyone who thinks they do is one dumb fuck.

I have argued before on this....

All the best value systems in the world are Single Payer... People can buy insurance to go on top of that... I pay about $100 a month in Ireland to get a full choice of doctor and care I want. No government control.

But I do get medicines at a far reduced cost compared to America.

The US is paying 17.1% of GDP on Healthcare, the EU is spending 10%:
France spends 11.5%, rated as the best in the world.
Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

France has better results on child mortality, Cancer survival, live longer,.......
ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

I could go on for hours on why...

In the first world the more public spending healthcare the better the results... I have proven that well in the past...

Compare the administration costs of Medicare compared to a regular Insurance companies...
It is 1.4% compared to 20%+...

Important: What are Medicare’s true administrative costs? - PNHP's Official Blog
Health insurance companies are doomed. Here's why.

And it still gets worse... EU drastically reduces costs in bulk negotiating on the price of drugs with Pharma and Medical device companies...
Why the U.S. Pays More Than Other Countries for Drugs

Is it perfect in EU? No, but it looks a lot better by the numbers...

Certain places Private is great, Basic Healthcare insurance is not one of them...

Yeah and everyone who can't afford to take care of themselves will be taken care of by we the taxpayer.

That may work for you but it sure as shit doesn't work for me.

I'm not interested in paying for anyones health care but my own.

The Govt. fucks up everything it touches.

I hope someday you become a homeless begger.

 

[Claudette]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

What is evil is pure capitalism. That is evil.

Whats evil is folks like you who think we taxpayers should bankroll everyone.

That is evil.

You know what , if the elites paid their taxes there would be plenty to go around.

You know what.

Those rich elites you talk about pay about 60% of the Fed taxes in this country. No telling how much they pay in State and local taxes.

We have 47 to 49% who pay no taxes at all. The welfare crowd.

You sure are an uninformed dumbass.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

What is evil is pure capitalism. That is evil.

Whats evil is folks like you who think we taxpayers should bankroll everyone.

That is evil.

You know what , if the elites paid their taxes there would be plenty to go around.

ou mean you want the top 10% of earners to pay more than the

I believe unregulated capitalism is evil...

I do believe in capitalism but what some on this board wish for is something that history should of taught people to reject.

What others wish for, socialism, is truly evil. Why I hate libtards.

What is evil is pure capitalism. That is evil.

Whats evil is folks like you who think we taxpayers should bankroll everyone.

That is evil.

You know what , if the elites paid their taxes there would be plenty to go around.

You know what.

Those rich elites you talk about pay about 60% of the Fed taxes in this country. No telling how much they pay in State and local taxes.

We have 47 to 49% who pay no taxes at all. The welfare crowd.

You are one dumbass.

do you want to know why we have a revenue problem

 

[Claudette]

Replace the ACA with single payer the rest of the civilized world enjoys. Lets not be left out in the cold!!!!

-It would be cheaper
-Moral

Only rich can afford what the ryans of this world want. That is wrong.

Only an idiot like you would want the Govt. in charge of HC for three hundred million Americans.

The Govt. that has never done anything cheaply or well.

The Govt. that turns into mountains of paperwork, red tape and long waits.

The Govt. has no business in HC at all and anyone who thinks they do is one dumb fuck.

I have argued before on this....

All the best value systems in the world are Single Payer... People can buy insurance to go on top of that... I pay about $100 a month in Ireland to get a full choice of doctor and care I want. No government control.

But I do get medicines at a far reduced cost compared to America.

The US is paying 17.1% of GDP on Healthcare, the EU is spending 10%:
France spends 11.5%, rated as the best in the world.
Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

France has better results on child mortality, Cancer survival, live longer,.......
ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

I could go on for hours on why...

In the first world the more public spending healthcare the better the results... I have proven that well in the past...

Compare the administration costs of Medicare compared to a regular Insurance companies...
It is 1.4% compared to 20%+...

Important: What are Medicare’s true administrative costs? - PNHP's Official Blog
Health insurance companies are doomed. Here's why.

And it still gets worse... EU drastically reduces costs in bulk negotiating on the price of drugs with Pharma and Medical device companies...
Why the U.S. Pays More Than Other Countries for Drugs

Is it perfect in EU? No, but it looks a lot better by the numbers...

Certain places Private is great, Basic Healthcare insurance is not one of them...

Yeah and everyone who can't afford to take care of themselves will be taken care of by we the taxpayer.

That may work for you but it sure as shit doesn't work for me.

I'm not interested in paying for anyones health care but my own.

The Govt. fucks up everything it touches.

I hope someday you become a homeless begger.

That will never happen because I'm responsible. Everything I have I worked my ass of for. There were times when I didn't have two nickels to rub together and I've worked two and three jobs to make ends meet.

I've never sat on my ass and let someone else provide for me. If I can do it the freeloaders in America can as well. To bad they don't. If I ran things there would be no Welfare or Medicaid and people would have to bankroll their own live. Its people like you, you fucking dumbass. Its people like you who think every body is wonderful and deserves someone else tax dollars who enable them to do what they do. Freeload.

Fuck of you dumbass.

 

[Rustic]

I see you and other Liberals are still confused by the meaning of the word "Works".

I'm surprised you figured that out so quickly. Yes, the US Government, State Governments, and every Government in the world, are completely inept. Government has always been inept, is inept, and will always be inept. Even on the off chance one was not, the same person does not control the government permanently, at some point someone you don't like will control the government, and it'll be inept. One of the nearly infinite number of reasons the Liberal fantasy of the government controlling literally everything doesn't work. Ask Russia or Germany.

Obamacare: Before and After - Discover the Networks
I read through that, like, three times. It told me absolutely nothing. The fact is that the government shouldn't be paying for any part of healthcare in general, that makes privatized healthcare inherently better for that reason alone. If state lines were opened, it would cost even less than it did previously for the people, and hey, you wouldn't be having your money stolen by the government to pay for it for random people. On top of that, the government would raise taxes to compensate for the extra cost, and plunge further into debt. We all already know this, Liberals just don't care because they prefer not to have jobs and pay for things themselves~

No, I'm someone who has USED some of these systems, I know they can work. What do you have? Nothing. You read through it three times and still you have nothing.

You say the govt shouldn't pay. But we were talking about something else. You make silly claims, like it will be more expensive, I prove it won't be, then you say there is nothing.

Sorry, but your post is a waste of time with the usual "liberals this and liberals that" nonsense.

Apparently you haven't used the systems if you think they can work. History has proven that the government is totally incompetent, and common sense dictates that if a Business makes money off of you regardless of performance, and that if you have no other options, there's no incentive to work properly.

It WILL be more expensive, the other Nations implementing this failed system have higher taxes, faster growing debt, or both.

It's not nonsense if it's totally accurate.

What a ridiculous statement. You claim to be a 15 year old, so what's your experience exactly? You have the nerve to tell me that you know my experiences better than I know my own. Seriously, grow up.

Yeah, but he's basically right about that last statement.

When government is paying the bills, then you are not a customer. If you are not a customer, then you are nothing more than a problem. You are an annoyance to the employees.

And that's the way you are treated in many of these systems. I've seen it first hand. I went to a free-gov-care clinic years ago, and watched in horror as the nurse was absolutely a jerk to the people there. Then it occurred to me, she doesn't care if they stay or leave. The clinic is funded whether she has 20 patients, or sees zero. The doctor, was dressed in blue jeans and a sports cap. He looked like he was going to a football game, not to a doctor's office.

Even the very chair I was sitting on, started tilting on me, and I realized two of the legs were broken. Why didn't they fix it? Or replace the chair? Well why would they? They get paid, whether I'm comfortable, or sitting on the floor. They couldn't care less if I stayed or left. That's government care. I ended up waiting a full hour past the time that I was scheduled. Again, they don't care.

Now, when I go to my regular doctor, I am seen the moment I am supposed to be seen. The waiting room is clean, and comfortable. The doctor is dressed exactly as a doctor should, and the nurses are exceptionally nice.

But of course...... I'm paying them. I'm the customer. If they lose me, they lose my money. They lose too much money, they don't have jobs anymore.

Completely different system.

That's why you go to Canada and see people waiting 3 years to get basic treatment, and in most places in the US you wait 3 days.

The only places with long wait times in the US, are gov-funded care centers. The VA for example.

My bro-in-law is ex-military, and he waited so long for VA care, that he finally just saved up the money, and got instant treatment at a private clinic. He says he'll never wait for the VA again. He might be wrong, if you guys make all US care like the VA.

Yes, when the govt is paying the bills, you aren't a customer. When insurance companies are paying the bills, you aren't a customer either.

Like I said, in the US under insurance companies you're spending, on average per person, $2,500 on corruption alone. In the UK on average per person the health system costs $3,700. So, when insurance companies get in on it, they're not seeing you as a customer but as a cow to milked the whole damn way.

When doctors are handing out the pills, are they thinking about the customer's pocket or their own pocket? They make you pay, they hand them out, is this better care than not being given drugs?

What healthcare system works whereby the person is actually a customer who needs to be give the right care? I'd say my experience of a nationalized healthcare system is far closer to this than a privatized one.
I cut part of my finger off with a pair of scissors and was told that I'd need to spend THREE WEEKS in a hospital bed. I told them to get lost and was back at work a few hours later. Why did they want me to spend 3 weeks in hospital? Well, profit of course. I've also had a lung problem (still don't know what it actually was, no one would tell me) but I needed to get a scan of my lungs. Went to one hospital and they said I would have to come back in 4 days to do it, and it would cost waaaaay to much (this wasn't the USA), went to another hospital and they did it that day for 1/3rd of the cost.

My experience of nationalized hospitals are that they can be good or they can be not so good, and it often depends on whether the govt is left wing or right wing, the latter wants to destroy nationalized healthcare and so spends less money on it and lets it rot while saying how great they are for reducing taxes.

I was more a customer in the nationalized system, and more the cow in the private system.

As for free govt care hospitals, perhaps the private system makes those not in the private system not work so hard, like I said, you can get good or bad, it all depends on how things are done.

The biggest problem is the can't do attitude in the US.

A nationalized healthcare system is all about waste, fraud and abuse...

 

[Rustic]

Replace the ACA with single payer the rest of the civilized world enjoys. Lets not be left out in the cold!!!!

-It would be cheaper
-Moral

Only rich can afford what the ryans of this world want. That is wrong.

Only an idiot like you would want the Govt. in charge of HC for three hundred million Americans.

The Govt. that has never done anything cheaply or well.

The Govt. that turns into mountains of paperwork, red tape and long waits.

The Govt. has no business in HC at all and anyone who thinks they do is one dumb fuck.

I have argued before on this....

All the best value systems in the world are Single Payer... People can buy insurance to go on top of that... I pay about $100 a month in Ireland to get a full choice of doctor and care I want. No government control.

But I do get medicines at a far reduced cost compared to America.

The US is paying 17.1% of GDP on Healthcare, the EU is spending 10%:
France spends 11.5%, rated as the best in the world.
Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

France has better results on child mortality, Cancer survival, live longer,.......
ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

I could go on for hours on why...

In the first world the more public spending healthcare the better the results... I have proven that well in the past...

Compare the administration costs of Medicare compared to a regular Insurance companies...
It is 1.4% compared to 20%+...

Important: What are Medicare’s true administrative costs? - PNHP's Official Blog
Health insurance companies are doomed. Here's why.

And it still gets worse... EU drastically reduces costs in bulk negotiating on the price of drugs with Pharma and Medical device companies...
Why the U.S. Pays More Than Other Countries for Drugs

Is it perfect in EU? No, but it looks a lot better by the numbers...

Certain places Private is great, Basic Healthcare insurance is not one of them...

The problem with systems like those in Europe and Canada is they forced everybody into the program, that is intolerable. Why would anyone want to force people into paying/participating into such horseshit?

 

[there4eyeM]

If anything is evil, it is people excluding others from necessary and available aid when in need. If Christians and others who tout giving did what they like to think they believe, government would not have to be involved. The fact remains that there is real need and it must be met.

 

[Rustic]

Well what do you mean by "private healthcare association" here?

Replicate the single payer model, but make it voluntary and independent of politicians. Have individuals that want to participate pay into it in order to drive down costs, and leave out those that do not want to participate.

You also do not cause collateral damage under this solution. Looking at the NHS in the UK, some individuals end up paying more in taxes than they save on healthcare. Even if they are a minority, they do not deserve to be forced into a system that hurts them financially.