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Oh believe me he has gone completely over that apex.
what do you think about the Republican civil war?
or are you too busy shaving your teeny-weeny mustache.
Still waiting on an answer to the question, Hoffstra. Somehow this must seem like a game to you. You sick bastard.
wow, you're taking this a little too seriously.
maybe you should log off for a few hours.
get some fresh air or something.
You need to lay off the crack cocaine and the kool aid, Hoffstra.
yeah bro, you're REALLY taking this too seriously.
shame.
Yeah, and you're the one posting about a supposed civil war in the Republican party. Besides, taking things seriously is my forte, it also makes me conservative. Unlike you liberal folk who tend to ignore everything.
You really aren't intelligent enough to follow what is going on here so let me see if I can educate you.McConnell shoves back | Fox News
Its on now - Both McConnell and Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, both publicly rejected the Cruz-backed strategy and are encouraging colleagues not to block the House bill. A source close to Cruz told Fox News that the junior senator from Texas was caught off guard and very upset when he got wind of what was going on, adding he felt like he was stabbed in the back.
Over to you, Senator Paul - Both McConnell and Cruz want to defund ObamaCare, but McConnell and others in leadership arent willing to risk a government shutdown to try to do so. Conservative lawmakers who have kept mum on the tactical dispute will start to make their positions known today. The stakes are huge. Perhaps the most important voice on the topic will be McConnells home-state Senate colleague, Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul stands with Cruz on the strategy, but will he join conservative groups in condemning those who fail to filibuster the House-passed plan?
Tea Baggers in the Senate actually want to prevent the Senate from voting on the House budget continuation bill that defunds ObamaCare.
so what the hell do they want to vote on? nothing????????
these guys are losing their minds.
Just curious when Democrats don't agree about something is that a Democrat civil war?
Ask Business Insider, Fox News, Politico, and the Christian Science Monitor.
.........................................................You really aren't intelligent enough to follow what is going on here so let me see if I can educate you.McConnell shoves back | Fox News
Its on now - Both McConnell and Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, both publicly rejected the Cruz-backed strategy and are encouraging colleagues not to block the House bill. A source close to Cruz told Fox News that the junior senator from Texas was caught off guard and very upset when he got wind of what was going on, adding he felt like he was stabbed in the back.
Over to you, Senator Paul - Both McConnell and Cruz want to defund ObamaCare, but McConnell and others in leadership arent willing to risk a government shutdown to try to do so. Conservative lawmakers who have kept mum on the tactical dispute will start to make their positions known today. The stakes are huge. Perhaps the most important voice on the topic will be McConnells home-state Senate colleague, Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul stands with Cruz on the strategy, but will he join conservative groups in condemning those who fail to filibuster the House-passed plan?
Tea Baggers in the Senate actually want to prevent the Senate from voting on the House budget continuation bill that defunds ObamaCare.
so what the hell do they want to vote on? nothing????????
these guys are losing their minds.
They aren't voting against the bill that defunds obiecare, they are voting against cloture which would mean that piece of sh*t ried would only need 51 votes to cut the defunding of obiecare portion of the bill instead of 60. He can't get 60 votes to fund obiecare. That's why when the law was passed he had to use an end around to get it to go the first time. He needs to do just that again to keep it law. If he needs 60 votes he can't get the budget to fail and it goes to president mom pants who will then be forced into a veto or signing the law. Ried is trying his best to not get this weak president in this situation.
You need to lay off the crack cocaine and the kool aid, Hoffstra.
yeah bro, you're REALLY taking this too seriously.
shame.
Yeah, and you're the one posting about a supposed civil war in the Republican party. Besides, taking things seriously is my forte, it also makes me conservative. That is unlike you liberal folk who tend to ignore everything and spew heaping amounts of stupidity on others.
Haha you were wrong again...And? You're the one saying "civil war" not the article. Do you expect me to automatically believe you just because it's a Fox News article?
You idiot.
Does a GOP civil war over ObamaCare help Obama? | Interviews | On the Record
Does a GOP civil war over ObamaCare help Obama?
nope, its Fox News saying it.
dumbass.
At any rate, you think Fox News is the only thing conservatives pay attention to. That's pretty stereotypical. In fact, you want to endear the idea that the Republican party is weak and divided. That's you spinning it. I hate to break it to you, your party is just the same. It's being fractionated by this debate as well.
If you didn't notice, the AFL-CIO turned it's nose up at it, they were one of the bill's major backers. Obama himself knows the infeasibility of this law and is doing everything to keep it alive knowing it's fatal flaws.
Consider your thread toasted.
52% of Americans oppose Obamacare. Why didn't you respect the will of the people?
I thought as much.
Congress represents the will of the people.
deal with it.
You cited a poll. I cited a poll. Mine won. Deal with it.
Oh and you first said the Senate represented the will of the people, now it's Congress. Which one, Hoffstra?
This is a lie and you know it.What will be fun to watch, Hoffstra is whether Obama wants to keep the government running, or his monstrous healthcare plan running. Oooohhh the suspense!
59% of Americans don't want the govt. shutdown or to default on the debt, just to defund ObamaCare.
why don't you respect the will of The People?
Why don't the the Democrats respect the will of the people?
Funny how this is only brought by Democrats when the majority favors their will.
Obamacare was passed and 60% were against it, it didn't stop the Democrats. Not sure why you would think it would stop Republicans.
They didnt ram anythingWhat do you mean "if Obamacare gets through"?
It is through. Passed in the House. Passed in the Senate. Signed by the POTUS. Ruled A-OK by the Supremes.
Our system worked....and Obamacare is the law of the land.
The proper way to repeal ObamaCare, is to pass a repeal bill in the House and Senate.
They don't have the votes to do that, so they are holding the nation's funding hostage.
And they plan on holding the debt ceiling hostage for the same reason.
Its legislative terrorism.
So I ask you again, if this is legislative terrorism, what exactly was Obamacare? They literally rammed that thing down the throats of Republicans, and the American people, NOT ONCE considering the will of their constituents.
McConnell shoves back | Fox News
It’s on now - Both McConnell and Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, both publicly rejected the Cruz-backed strategy and are encouraging colleagues not to block the House bill. A source close to Cruz told Fox News that the junior senator from Texas was “caught off guard” and “very upset” when he got wind of what was going on, adding he felt like he was “stabbed in the back.”
Over to you, Senator Paul - Both McConnell and Cruz want to defund ObamaCare, but McConnell and others in leadership aren’t willing to risk a government shutdown to try to do so. Conservative lawmakers who have kept mum on the tactical dispute will start to make their positions known today. The stakes are huge. Perhaps the most important voice on the topic will be McConnell’s home-state Senate colleague, Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul stands with Cruz on the strategy, but will he join conservative groups in condemning those who fail to filibuster the House-passed plan?
Tea Baggers in the Senate actually want to prevent the Senate from voting on the House budget continuation bill that defunds ObamaCare.
so what the hell do they want to vote on? nothing????????
these guys are losing their minds.
I think they're going to fracture into two parties- one: Establ. Repubs representing the rich & the other: social & fiscal conservatives. The Establ. Repubs will naturally be able to outspend the SOCONs during election-time.
.........................................................You really aren't intelligent enough to follow what is going on here so let me see if I can educate you.McConnell shoves back | Fox News
Its on now - Both McConnell and Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, both publicly rejected the Cruz-backed strategy and are encouraging colleagues not to block the House bill. A source close to Cruz told Fox News that the junior senator from Texas was caught off guard and very upset when he got wind of what was going on, adding he felt like he was stabbed in the back.
Over to you, Senator Paul - Both McConnell and Cruz want to defund ObamaCare, but McConnell and others in leadership arent willing to risk a government shutdown to try to do so. Conservative lawmakers who have kept mum on the tactical dispute will start to make their positions known today. The stakes are huge. Perhaps the most important voice on the topic will be McConnells home-state Senate colleague, Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul stands with Cruz on the strategy, but will he join conservative groups in condemning those who fail to filibuster the House-passed plan?
Tea Baggers in the Senate actually want to prevent the Senate from voting on the House budget continuation bill that defunds ObamaCare.
so what the hell do they want to vote on? nothing????????
these guys are losing their minds.
They aren't voting against the bill that defunds obiecare, they are voting against cloture which would mean that piece of sh*t ried would only need 51 votes to cut the defunding of obiecare portion of the bill instead of 60. He can't get 60 votes to fund obiecare. That's why when the law was passed he had to use an end around to get it to go the first time. He needs to do just that again to keep it law. If he needs 60 votes he can't get the budget to fail and it goes to president mom pants who will then be forced into a veto or signing the law. Ried is trying his best to not get this weak president in this situation.
I really have been trying hard to understand the various strategies here...and haven't been able to do so because of the bullshit storm...but this post here is the clearest explanation yet...and I'll take it even if it is bullshit too...just to get some of that oft spoke of "closure" on the matter.
But, it does sound like some more bullshit.....because having that pussy in the White House be forced into a choice of abandoning his own Obamacare...or shutting down his beloved Federal Government...simply sounds too good to be true...and so it probably is.
Would be sweet though.
