See we told you.. Mcdonalds is ordering 7K touch screen to replace cashiers

[thereisnospoon]

Do you ever get tired of hating people?

You get the poor fired with endless employer mandates and regulations driving up the cost of hiring employees while you drag down the economy with irresponsible spending levels and shriek like a teenage girl with a zit if anyone tries to reduce spending growth by a dime. You get full time people cut back to part time to avoid rising costs because of federal bills like healthcare, prevent people from getting overtime for extra dough by forcing employers to pay time and a half and you deny the lowest skilled workers employment entirely with the minimum wage.

With friends like you...

As though these things weren't happening before O became president.

THAT is your fallback position? Making excuses with the idea of deflecting blame away from Dear Leader?
Typical lib response.

 

[Foxfyre]

Umm...I have friends and family who are Detroit police officers... anything else?

You missed my premise. I was not arguing or implying refutation of your post.
I simply wanted to know from where you got the info from so I could search other public employee pay info..
For example, one can find the wages of every public employee in the state of NJ by going to New Jersey Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - NJ.com. Then in the search bar type "NJ by the numbers".
In NJ ALL public employee wage, benefit and pension info is public domain.
In some states, Michigan being one of them, such is not the case.

The Detroit police salary begins at $30,137.
Basic training is 19 weeks at the Police Academy plus on the job training once graduated.
If successful at the academy, recruits get a $1,000 raise.
After one year it increases to $33,949.
After two years it increases to $37,761.
After three years it increases to $41,573 After four years it increases to $45,385.
After five years it reaches $53,237.

So.....the starting salary is roughly $15/hour on a 40-hour week for a job that includes a tremendous amount of know how, discipline, and personal risk. So to compare that to what a kid has to know to flip that burger at McDonalds......and assume that kid needs $15/hour? Pretty hard to rationalize that.

 

[Againsheila]

It is the reaction to the government sticking its nose where it don't belong... and the government has no business handing money to the unmotivated, unskilled losers who think a McDonalds cashier job should pay them enough to raise a family..

If modern liberals had been around a hundred years ago we'd still have blacksmith's and they'd be saying how if they lost their jobs, it would harm the economy.

Actually, fighting progress is what's harming the economy. Fear and ignorance are staples of the left.

If the modern lib miindset had been the majority before 1776, America would have never existed. It would just be an assortment of poor third world warring nations run by dictators.

Read you history. It was the liberals responsible for our being a country in the first place. The conservatives wanted to stay with the crown.

 

[Againsheila]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Exactly. For decades now the U.S. government has been imposing more and more mandates, restrictions, and requirements, all of which add costs to doing business, on U.S. commerce and industry while taxing corporations at one of the highest rates in the world. And at the same time they threaten business with even more regulation, higher taxes, higher minimum wages, and push unionization. As the business climate becomes ever more restrictive and profit unfriendly, of course those wishing to do business are moving their businesses elsewhere to more business-friendly environments.

And I swear we have become a nation of idiots with our fearless leaders wringing their hands and desperately grasping at anything that would force those businesses to stay here while refusing to see that it is their own meddling that has created the situation in the first place. And their own convoluted ideology won't allow them to take any step to reverse it.

Our corporations pay less in taxes than ever before in history. Many of them pay no taxes at all.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Nice try but the majority of off-shoring and influx of business visas took place during GW, not O.
You should perhaps subscribe to a financial publication to keep tabs of these events.

And of all of Obama's bloviating about how HE is going to "put America back to work"?
5 years into his presidency and what? Nothing.
All this administration does is blame someone else for problems that exist today.
Obama is a real slick salesman and you bought the bullshit.
Obama points his finger and says "they did this and I'm here to fix it"..Fix what? The guy has made things WORSE.
Look, this is no place for you.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value. THAT'S IT. Shareholders including young families planning for the future and seniors depending on dividend income for their needs. Any corporation is going to do what it thinks is best to accomplish that goal. Some do it better than....

Oh, fuck it.

I'm not going to explain the most fundamental business economics to American adults who simply don't understand.

I can't believe we have people graduating from high school without this most basic knowledge.

Never mind.

.

Actually, corporations were created to protect against liability for damage.

While what you say may be true, the single minded pursuit of wealth doesn't require incorporation.

No....Incorporation exists for a number of reasons.
1. To protect the officer's or board member's PERSONAL assets from liability
2. To sell stock in the company
3. To permit stock holders to have a say in which the way the company operates. Gives shareholders a say by vote or proxy.
A more in depth explanation...Articles of Incorporation | Nolo.com

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why do you mention the Left's Draconian Paradigm as chasing businesses overseas when the Free Market resulted in more off-shoring than the prior 30 years?
Your arguments of government intervention alone chasing jobs overseas simply doesn't hold water.

It is restrictions on the free market and punishment for economic success that causes off shoring. Nothing else.

Low wages...$1.25/hour in US dollars
27/7 availability
No benefits

And you're basically saying that even during a Free Market administration it is unwise to have an American labor force.
Fine; simply say goodbye to America as we know it.

Oh stop it.
Lamenting the end of the 'good old days' gets you no mileage here.

 

[kaz]

If modern liberals had been around a hundred years ago we'd still have blacksmith's and they'd be saying how if they lost their jobs, it would harm the economy.

Actually, fighting progress is what's harming the economy. Fear and ignorance are staples of the left.

If the modern lib miindset had been the majority before 1776, America would have never existed. It would just be an assortment of poor third world warring nations run by dictators.

Read you history. It was the liberals responsible for our being a country in the first place. The conservatives wanted to stay with the crown.

Technically true, but misleading. It was classic liberals who wanted our own country. You are a modern, progressive liberal. We are in fact opposites. Classic liberals want to minimize government, you want to maximize it. To try to take credit just because the word liberal is in it is just wrong.

 

[kaz]

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Exactly. For decades now the U.S. government has been imposing more and more mandates, restrictions, and requirements, all of which add costs to doing business, on U.S. commerce and industry while taxing corporations at one of the highest rates in the world. And at the same time they threaten business with even more regulation, higher taxes, higher minimum wages, and push unionization. As the business climate becomes ever more restrictive and profit unfriendly, of course those wishing to do business are moving their businesses elsewhere to more business-friendly environments.

And I swear we have become a nation of idiots with our fearless leaders wringing their hands and desperately grasping at anything that would force those businesses to stay here while refusing to see that it is their own meddling that has created the situation in the first place. And their own convoluted ideology won't allow them to take any step to reverse it.

Our corporations pay less in taxes than ever before in history. Many of them pay no taxes at all.

Actually, we have the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. We are the only such country that taxes overseas earned income. And that doesn't even count all the unfunded mandates. You be tripping, sheila.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Exactly. For decades now the U.S. government has been imposing more and more mandates, restrictions, and requirements, all of which add costs to doing business, on U.S. commerce and industry while taxing corporations at one of the highest rates in the world. And at the same time they threaten business with even more regulation, higher taxes, higher minimum wages, and push unionization. As the business climate becomes ever more restrictive and profit unfriendly, of course those wishing to do business are moving their businesses elsewhere to more business-friendly environments.

And I swear we have become a nation of idiots with our fearless leaders wringing their hands and desperately grasping at anything that would force those businesses to stay here while refusing to see that it is their own meddling that has created the situation in the first place. And their own convoluted ideology won't allow them to take any step to reverse it.

Yes, the problem is the nature of politicians is that they want power, which means they always want to "do" something, even when doing less is a no brainer better answer. Like how they are destroying our medical system.

There is always a larger picture to consider. The leftists are fond of condemning those Chinese and Indian factories that pay substandard wages (by our standards) and their employees live eight and ten to a single room, etc. But they never look at the larger picture of how would those people live if you close down those factories and take away those jobs.

The left is always fond of bashing McDonalds and Walmart for paying 'substandard wages', but they never want to look at whether those employees would be better off if McDonalds and Walmarts close up shop. How does forcing American business to close stores or move their enterprises elsewhere help anybody?

I blame modern education who must be teaching that there is a goose that lays perpetual golden eggs. And McDonalds and Walmart could pay a living wage, whatever that is, if they just would and there would be no negative consequences for that.

oh, there is a faction of people who's goal is it to bring down any company that can possible be brought down. In their view, there is no 'good employer' or good employment'.
People of this ilk made appearances at several OWS encampments.
They whined and cried using buzz terms such as "profit" "rich" "one percenter", "wall street", "corporate" and "CEO"....They claimed they were opposed to all of these things.
When presented with opportunities to work, they shouted "oh, we don't work there"..
When the media went into interview the leadership of these people, they claimed there were no leaders. It was totally democratic. Then they would just as quickly state they didn't talk to the media..UGH.....

 

[flacaltenn]

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Exactly. For decades now the U.S. government has been imposing more and more mandates, restrictions, and requirements, all of which add costs to doing business, on U.S. commerce and industry while taxing corporations at one of the highest rates in the world. And at the same time they threaten business with even more regulation, higher taxes, higher minimum wages, and push unionization. As the business climate becomes ever more restrictive and profit unfriendly, of course those wishing to do business are moving their businesses elsewhere to more business-friendly environments.

And I swear we have become a nation of idiots with our fearless leaders wringing their hands and desperately grasping at anything that would force those businesses to stay here while refusing to see that it is their own meddling that has created the situation in the first place. And their own convoluted ideology won't allow them to take any step to reverse it.

Our corporations pay less in taxes than ever before in history. Many of them pay no taxes at all.

That prob Sheila is not because they don't OWE a lot of taxes.. The big VISIBLE offenders like GE pay no taxes because of policies that REDUCE their taxes for stuff like "being green". GE get $70 for every Energy Star washer they sell.. And for being involved in "green lightbulbs" "green wind", "green turbines", "green train engines".. They've gotten so many TAX CREDITS --- that if they could SAVE them --- they wouldn't owe a dime for years..

Leftists then fake outrage when they find out that "GE paid no taxes in 2011".. Do they really not know it was their policies that caused that to happen??? Take away the Tax Credit candy --- and MIRACULOUSLY -- they will start to pay taxes again...

 

[kaz]

oh, there is a faction of people who's goal is it to bring down any company that can possible be brought down. In their view, there is no 'good employer' or good employment'.

Yes, that "faction" would be referred to as the Democratic Party, and they are winning...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ghook,
Reagan created the Rust Belt and created a tremendous Financial engine based on cheap Mexican labor.
He also promised Russia and the Balkans more economic prosperity and then ran off to cheaper Asia.
He tripled the debt and made 11 million illegals citizens overnight.

And yes, Clinton/GW/Obama put Trickle Across the Ocean Economics into Overdrive.

Reagan created the rust belt? Please elaborate. Provide examples and policy statements.

 

[beagle9]

Yep--they certainly won't need to pay for a machine's medical insurance.

I wonder how all those machines will stand up against the next invading army ? No new babies or a new people are to be generated in all of this thinking, and it is all due to a wanting for a robotic world now? The incentive will be taken away by greed that is keeping the family unit from thriving, and also to remain healthy in this nation. This kind of thinking of yours will only open the doors finally to a weakened and dumb down nation in the end. It will be one that will be exposed to the likes of China or others who are eye balling this type of downward spiral, and probably thinking that this nation is now in it's death throws. If they do decide to invade someday, maybe by then you all will have those robots that you keep talking about so much to protect you from the mean ole nasty humans, especially the ones you feared right here in your own America, and for whom wanted just to share your world with you, but you chose to hate them instead. Hey you went there, and so did I.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Then how would you believe that a woman who has sex four times a day uses more birth control pills than a woman who has sex once a year?

I will give you one trillion dollars if you can point to where I posted that!

Jar axle is a woman?

Knew it!

That will come as news to my wife!

My Dyke neighbour has an ex wife.... you post like a girl any ways but it don't matter.

More projection, bitchboy?

 

[Jarlaxle]

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Bullshit. The usual is having to wait because there is one pump jockey for eight pumps, and having to watch him like a hawk, hoping he doesn't lose (or swipe) the gas cap, scratch the paint with the nozzle, pump regular instead of premium (which would destroy the engine in my wife's car), and/or dribble gas down the side of the car I just spent two hours detailing! It's thinly-veiled welfare for stoned HS dropouts, no more and no less.

I would willingly pay more to NOT use full serve. If I cannot pump my own, I do not buy gas at that station!

Gee, Wrenchy, it seems like the "pump jockeys" really have it out for you.

Maybe it's your attitude.

Actually, that wasn't me. (I do not go to full service!) That's what happened to people on the 2006 Hot Rod Power Tour, which ended in Jersey. Only two states consider their residents too stupid to operate a gas pump, Joey...do you now admit that you ARE, in fact, too stupid to do so safely?

 

[Jarlaxle]

So if they're going to get rid of cashiers, who's going to touch the screens of these new touch screens? The managers?

Uh, the customers. Is anybody home?

I am having difficulty selecting the best candidate for "Most stupid USMB Poster of 2013"
The nominees are:\
Noomi
SarahG
Candycorn
Rightwinger
NY Carbineer
I can enjoy a good debate with a liberal anytime. As long as they stay on point and agree to discuss the subject..
But these 4 are just moon shots.
"And the award goes to..."

Dude...Joeb131 retired that award a long time ago.

 

[beagle9]

[

Bullshit. The usual is having to wait because there is one pump jockey for eight pumps, and having to watch him like a hawk, hoping he doesn't lose (or swipe) the gas cap, scratch the paint with the nozzle, pump regular instead of premium (which would destroy the engine in my wife's car), and/or dribble gas down the side of the car I just spent two hours detailing! It's thinly-veiled welfare for stoned HS dropouts, no more and no less.

I would willingly pay more to NOT use full serve. If I cannot pump my own, I do not buy gas at that station!

Gee, Wrenchy, it seems like the "pump jockeys" really have it out for you.

Maybe it's your attitude.

Actually, that wasn't me. (I do not go to full service!) That's what happened to people on the 2007 Hot Rod Power Tour, which ended in Jersey. Only two states consider their residents too stupid to operate a gas pump, Joey...do you now admit that you ARE, in fact, too stupid to do so safely?

Could it be that these gas pump atendents were being paid very low wages, and so it took all the incentive out of it for them to act and/or to be proffessional in their jobs ? Maybe they scraped up the rods and caused mayhem trying to get at their bosses for whom they knew could easily treat them better, but wasn't going to, who knows really?

Hey, you do know the old addage right, "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR", and that goes for labor also !

 

[Jarlaxle]

You missed my premise. I was not arguing or implying refutation of your post.
I simply wanted to know from where you got the info from so I could search other public employee pay info..
For example, one can find the wages of every public employee in the state of NJ by going to New Jersey Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - NJ.com. Then in the search bar type "NJ by the numbers".
In NJ ALL public employee wage, benefit and pension info is public domain.
In some states, Michigan being one of them, such is not the case.

The Detroit police salary begins at $30,137.
Basic training is 19 weeks at the Police Academy plus on the job training once graduated.
If successful at the academy, recruits get a $1,000 raise.
After one year it increases to $33,949.
After two years it increases to $37,761.
After three years it increases to $41,573 After four years it increases to $45,385.
After five years it reaches $53,237.

So.....the starting salary is roughly $15/hour on a 40-hour week for a job that includes a tremendous amount of know how, discipline, and personal risk. So to compare that to what a kid has to know to flip that burger at McDonalds......and assume that kid needs $15/hour? Pretty hard to rationalize that.

You forgot the fact that it results in a 77% pay increase in 5 years. (And, I suspect, gold-plated benefits.)

 

[Jroc]

The Detroit police salary begins at $30,137.
Basic training is 19 weeks at the Police Academy plus on the job training once graduated.
If successful at the academy, recruits get a $1,000 raise.
After one year it increases to $33,949.
After two years it increases to $37,761.
After three years it increases to $41,573 After four years it increases to $45,385.
After five years it reaches $53,237.

So.....the starting salary is roughly $15/hour on a 40-hour week for a job that includes a tremendous amount of know how, discipline, and personal risk. So to compare that to what a kid has to know to flip that burger at McDonalds......and assume that kid needs $15/hour? Pretty hard to rationalize that.

You forgot the fact that it results in a 77% pay increase in 5 years. (And, I suspect, gold-plated benefits.)

Detroit Police deserve anything they get. I'm not quite sure if his numbers are exactly current as there is no source sited. I can ask though I know the starting salary is pretty accurate