Should muslims be allowed to be airline pilots?

[Liminal]

Cool. I can put a bandaid on someone so I must be a doctor.

What a silly and ridiculous analogy. In order to even OPERATE an aircraft, you must know what you are doing.

No, it's a perfect analogy. They couldn't get a jet to take off or land. They could steer it into a building.

I can't sew someone's head back together, but I can put a bandaid on them.

So if they were pilots, I'm a doctor.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Which has exactly what to do with airline pilots? You don't seem to have made that connection.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Feel free to make the connection to Muslim airline pilots. You see, when you attempt to construct a cohesive argument, you start by substantiating the premise. That hasn't happened yet.

 

[ChrisL]

If I was boarding a plane and realized that the pilot was a Muslim, yes, I would have second thoughts. Now what? Going to call me a "bigot?" Go ahead. I don't really care. THAT is how I really feel.

How many plane crashes have involved Muslim pilots?

4.

In one terrorist incident.

4 planes, 4 Muslim pilots, 4 deadly crashes. My case is made.

Uh huh, 4, 4 ,4 , I'm sure it makes perfect sense to a four year old.

Obviously, you are not capable of adding 2 + 2. That much is quite clear. At least ONE of those hijackers as a certified COMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOT.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Yes, they were pilots. They were trained and they had flight hours accumulated. They had enough training to know exactly what to do in the cockpit.

This is disengenius. They were trained to pilot planes yes. But they were most certainly not the pilots of those planes, they were hijackers.

Didn't they get certified as pilots? they were pilots, lets not beat around the bush. Just like if I were to finish bartending school, I am a bartender.

In much the same way as bartender school makes you a qualified airline pilot.

Sounds about right.

Do we have the right to ask whether a pilot is a qualified bartender?

This could make for a more interesting flight...

I have a family of 6. That means when I peer into the cockpit and see a prayer rug, I will take them off the plane and book another flight. I doubt any of you Leftists would actually risk your family based on your misguided notion of "tolerance".

 

[ChrisL]

What a silly and ridiculous analogy. In order to even OPERATE an aircraft, you must know what you are doing.

No, it's a perfect analogy. They couldn't get a jet to take off or land. They could steer it into a building.

I can't sew someone's head back together, but I can put a bandaid on them.

So if they were pilots, I'm a doctor.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Which has exactly what to do with airline pilots? You don't seem to have made that connection.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Feel free to make the connection to Muslim airline pilots. You see, when you attempt to construct a cohesive argument, you start by substantiating the premise. That hasn't happened yet.

I already have, you idiot.

 

[High_Gravity]

No, it's a perfect analogy. They couldn't get a jet to take off or land. They could steer it into a building.

I can't sew someone's head back together, but I can put a bandaid on them.

So if they were pilots, I'm a doctor.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Which has exactly what to do with airline pilots? You don't seem to have made that connection.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Feel free to make the connection to Muslim airline pilots. You see, when you attempt to construct a cohesive argument, you start by substantiating the premise. That hasn't happened yet.

I already have, you idiot.

She has.

 

[orogenicman]

It doesn't matter what their religion is.

Islam is a culture of violence. If you could consider it a religion, it would be the religion of the Devil.

Oh gee, we have another "loving Christian" spreading the love. Whether or not you subscribe to Islam, you don't get to discriminate against its followers in this country. The Constitutions says you don't. Now, if you don't like our Constitution, I suggest you lobby for an amendment that changes it (good luck with that) or else find a "faith-based" country more to your liking. I understand the Theocratic Republic of Iran might take you in.

The Constitution doesn't give Muslims the right to pilot aircraft. It's not surprising how many of you Leftists think it does.

The Constitution and the civil rights act doesn't allow discrimination in the workplace based on one's faith. The SCOTUS has upheld this many times. Get over it. Are you now going to tell our military that they cannot allow Muslims to fly our military aircraft? Because that would leave it short-handed for whatever the next war is you hawks have in mind.

The Constitution does, the unconstitutional civil rights act does not. Nothing in the Constitution applies to private businesses or empowers the federal government to regulate who private businesses employ. Fail on both counts.

Never heard of the Commerce clause, I take it. Or the 4th amendment:

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Or the 1st Amendment. Funny how you right wing posers jump all over the chance to make it possible for businesses to discriminate against someone based on their religion (or any other reason), and then justify it on religious grounds.

 

[S.J.]

Given their history of murdering innocent people, usually through the practice of hijacking planes, the answer to your question is a definite and resounding NO! In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to even board planes as passengers.

Have you ever wondered why you aren't smarter? You should think about that, because it seems to be a real problem.

I've wondered why you never have a point to make.

 

[Liminal]

No, it's a perfect analogy. They couldn't get a jet to take off or land. They could steer it into a building.

I can't sew someone's head back together, but I can put a bandaid on them.

So if they were pilots, I'm a doctor.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Which has exactly what to do with airline pilots? You don't seem to have made that connection.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Feel free to make the connection to Muslim airline pilots. You see, when you attempt to construct a cohesive argument, you start by substantiating the premise. That hasn't happened yet.

I already have, you idiot.

Please feel free to point out the operative posts.

 

[ChrisL]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

 

[Liminal]

Given their history of murdering innocent people, usually through the practice of hijacking planes, the answer to your question is a definite and resounding NO! In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to even board planes as passengers.

Have you ever wondered why you aren't smarter? You should think about that, because it seems to be a real problem.

I've wondered why you never have a point to make.

As if you ever actually wondered about anything.

 

[High_Gravity]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

Exactly, these guys didn't just roll out of bed one day and learn how to fly a plane.

 

[Liminal]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

True, but any dolt can practice flying on a simulator. That's as much knowledge as they had, nothing at all like being an actual pilot.

 

[ChrisL]

Given their history of murdering innocent people, usually through the practice of hijacking planes, the answer to your question is a definite and resounding NO! In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to even board planes as passengers.

Have you ever wondered why you aren't smarter? You should think about that, because it seems to be a real problem.

I've wondered why you never have a point to make.

As if you ever actually wondered about anything.

Look, every single ONE of your posts is pointless. POINTLESS and stupid.

 

[ChrisL]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

Exactly, these guys didn't just roll out of bed one day and learn how to fly a plane.

What a completely absurd notion, huh? Absurdity at it's finest.

 

[ChrisL]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

True, but any dolt can practice flying on a simulator. That's as much knowledge as they had, nothing at all like being an actual pilot.

They ALL received training here in America, dumbass, and yes, one of them was a certified commercial airline pilot. Liar.

 

[Ravi]

They weren't pilots.

So, you've come up with one incident of a Muslim pilot committing murder/suicide and apparently not for terrorist reasons, yet you are freaking out over the idea that Muslims might be pilots. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslim pilots and not a single one has committed murder/suicide in the name of religion.

Yes, they were pilots. They were trained and they had flight hours accumulated. They had enough training to know exactly what to do in the cockpit.

Cool. I can put a bandaid on someone so I must be a doctor.

What a silly and ridiculous analogy. In order to even OPERATE an aircraft, you must know what you are doing.

No, it's a perfect analogy. They couldn't get a jet to take off or land. They could steer it into a building.

I can't sew someone's head back together, but I can put a bandaid on them.

So if they were pilots, I'm a doctor.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Okay, he had his license but no job as a pilot. Still quite a difference from what the German has allegedly done.

 

[ChrisL]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

True, but any dolt can practice flying on a simulator. That's as much knowledge as they had, nothing at all like being an actual pilot.

Hanjour received ground instruction and did practice flights at Air Fleet Training Systems in Teterboro, New Jersey, and at Caldwell Flight Academy in Fairfield, New Jersey.[5] Hanjour moved out of the room in Paterson and arrived at the Valencia Motel in Laurel, Maryland, on September 2, 2001.[11] While in Maryland, Hanjour and fellow hijackers trained at Gold's Gym in Greenbelt.[12]On September 10, he completed a certification flight, using a terrain recognition system for navigation, at Congressional Air Charters in Gaithersburg, Maryland.[13][14]

On September 10, Nawaf al-Hazmi, accompanied by other hijackers, checked into the Marriott in Herndon, Virginia, near Dulles Airport.[15]

 

[ChrisL]

Yes, they were pilots. They were trained and they had flight hours accumulated. They had enough training to know exactly what to do in the cockpit.

Cool. I can put a bandaid on someone so I must be a doctor.

What a silly and ridiculous analogy. In order to even OPERATE an aircraft, you must know what you are doing.

No, it's a perfect analogy. They couldn't get a jet to take off or land. They could steer it into a building.

I can't sew someone's head back together, but I can put a bandaid on them.

So if they were pilots, I'm a doctor.

American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77 were led by Hani Hanjour, who piloted the aircraft into the Pentagon.[1] Hanjour first came to the United States in 1990.[2]

Hanjour trained at the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, earning his FAA commercial pilot's certificate in April 1999.[3] He had wanted to be a commercial pilot for the Saudi national airline but was rejected when he applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah in 1999. Hanjour's brother later explained that, frustrated at not finding a job, Hanjour "increasingly turned his attention toward religious texts and cassette tapes of militant Islamic preachers".[4] Hanjour returned to Saudi Arabia after being certified as a pilot, but left again in late 1999, telling his family that he was going to the United Arab Emirates to work for an airline.[5] Hanjour likely went to Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda recruits were screened for special skills they may have. Already having selected the Hamburg Cell members, Al Qaeda leaders selected Hanjour to lead the fourth team of hijackers.[6]

Okay, he had his license but no job as a pilot. Still quite a difference from what the German has allegedly done.

No, not really different at all. He was also an inexperienced pilot who took control of the plane and deliberately crashed it. THAT much has already been established by the experts and investigators.

 

[Liminal]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

True, but any dolt can practice flying on a simulator. That's as much knowledge as they had, nothing at all like being an actual pilot.

They ALL received training here in America, dumbass, and yes, one of them was a certified commercial airline pilot. Liar.

A certified commercial airline pilot ? Why do you feel the need to lie? Doesn't the truth work for you?

 

[High_Gravity]

These guys knew enough to change course, read the navigation equipment and plot a NEW course. That shit isn't easy. You have to know what you're doing. Not just any dolt can fly a 747 jetliner.

True, but any dolt can practice flying on a simulator. That's as much knowledge as they had, nothing at all like being an actual pilot.

How do you know that?