Soleimani was going to blow up our Embassy. That was the imminent threat

[progressive hunter]

So.........Trump was given the option of killing Soleimani months ago, it was advocated by advisers, he initially rejected the idea, then a US contractor was killed meeting the criteria for the assassination he established in his head, Trump gave the go ahead order, and the admin has been lying about the rationale ever since.

when did they lie about it???

The imminent attack and 4 embassy claims appear to be dishonest. Many will see those as lies and other will spin around it. Either way they are misleading statements.

what proof do you have they are dishonest???

 

[Slade3200]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

 

[progressive hunter]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

then you can prove he made stuff up???

 

[toobfreak]

Soleimani was going to blow up our Embassy. That was the imminent threat

This is very interesting. Our government takes out a top military commander in the leading terror sponsor of the world who has been attacking us left and right for months saying he was an imminent threat. End of story. I mean, with 7.8 billion people on the planet, they obviously had their reasons!

Had Obama or any other Democrat been in office, that WOULD have been the end of the story.

But they pressed: WHAT imminent threat? OK, he was planning to take out the embassy they had just attacked. End of story.

But no. In the continuing effort to rip this country clean apart, the Left have now resorted to actually DEFENDING Iran as the victim, not even a terrorist nation at all, our military a criminal element hell bent on war with anything that moves, and Trump the actual terrorist!

Democrats never cease to amaze. They'd be funny if they weren't doing so much harm.

I get that you support trump but there are clear conflicts with the messaging that’s come out from his admin. As I said in the OP the kill may have been the right call, however, we should all demand an honest and transparent explanation about what’s happening and why. This is life/death and potential war at stake. It shouldn’t be political games.

I really can't disagree with you Slade, but OTOH, I accept that not everything going on in foreign affairs is something the government wishes to or can share with the person on the street. If it is life and death, I'm just glad it is THEIR life and death and I'm glad the USA is out there killing bad dudes (and this guy was a bad dude), I sure wouldnt want the USA tracking me with a missile.

As to war, we could stomp Iran like a bug. I don't see any war happening, not unless Iran is suicidal.

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Slade3200]

So.........Trump was given the option of killing Soleimani months ago, it was advocated by advisers, he initially rejected the idea, then a US contractor was killed meeting the criteria for the assassination he established in his head, Trump gave the go ahead order, and the admin has been lying about the rationale ever since.

when did they lie about it???

The imminent attack and 4 embassy claims appear to be dishonest. Many will see those as lies and other will spin around it. Either way they are misleading statements.

what proof do you have they are dishonest???

It’s been stated by the admin that the attack on Soleimani was presented as an option for retaliation for the embassy attack. That means it was not brought to POTUS as an imminent attack that needed immediate response. Trumps 4 embassy claim was contradicted the next day by Sec Def when he said on national TV that he hasn’t seen any intel supporting that claim. Do you deny either of those things? If so then why?

 

[rightwinger]

Pay attention or don't post.

You say he didn't know anything about attacks, but he clearly stated he did in the quote I provided.

Oops!

No, he said he knew nothing about them.

He said, "There was going to be an attack within a matter of days that would be broad in scale – in other words, more than one country – and that it would be bigger than previous attacks."

Esper says he's seen no hard evidence embassies under threat

Who said embassies were the only target?

Oops!

Who said anything?

Trumps narrative is constantly changing. He throws “facts” out that he is obviously just making up

Taking a country to war is serious business. A leader must build trust with his people

 

[rightwinger]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

then you can prove he made stuff up???

If that is the standard you hold our President to, then you are welcome to it. Trump is not lying unless he confesses to a lie.

The rest of the country and the rest of the world has a tougher standard

 

[progressive hunter]

So.........Trump was given the option of killing Soleimani months ago, it was advocated by advisers, he initially rejected the idea, then a US contractor was killed meeting the criteria for the assassination he established in his head, Trump gave the go ahead order, and the admin has been lying about the rationale ever since.

when did they lie about it???

The imminent attack and 4 embassy claims appear to be dishonest. Many will see those as lies and other will spin around it. Either way they are misleading statements.

what proof do you have they are dishonest???

It’s been stated by the admin that the attack on Soleimani was presented as an option for retaliation for the embassy attack. That means it was not brought to POTUS as an imminent attack that needed immediate response. Trumps 4 embassy claim was contradicted the next day by Sec Def when he said on national TV that he hasn’t seen any intel supporting that claim. Do you deny either of those things? If so then why?

thats not proof of anything,,,I am sure youre aware a lot of stuff you and I know nothing about happens daily in government,,,

not to mention the classified stuff we will never know about,,,

so as I said,,a terrorist is dead and a oppressed people are standing up for themselves,,
WIN!! WIN!!

 

[progressive hunter]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

then you can prove he made stuff up???

If that is the standard you hold our President to, then you are welcome to it. Trump is not lying unless he confesses to a lie.

The rest of the country and the rest of the world has a tougher standard

HES PROVEN A LIAR WHEN PROOF IS PRESENTED,,,so far all I've seen is opinions mixed with TDS induced rants

 

[Slade3200]

Soleimani was going to blow up our Embassy. That was the imminent threat

This is very interesting. Our government takes out a top military commander in the leading terror sponsor of the world who has been attacking us left and right for months saying he was an imminent threat. End of story. I mean, with 7.8 billion people on the planet, they obviously had their reasons!

Had Obama or any other Democrat been in office, that WOULD have been the end of the story.

But they pressed: WHAT imminent threat? OK, he was planning to take out the embassy they had just attacked. End of story.

But no. In the continuing effort to rip this country clean apart, the Left have now resorted to actually DEFENDING Iran as the victim, not even a terrorist nation at all, our military a criminal element hell bent on war with anything that moves, and Trump the actual terrorist!

Democrats never cease to amaze. They'd be funny if they weren't doing so much harm.

I get that you support trump but there are clear conflicts with the messaging that’s come out from his admin. As I said in the OP the kill may have been the right call, however, we should all demand an honest and transparent explanation about what’s happening and why. This is life/death and potential war at stake. It shouldn’t be political games.

I really can't disagree with you Slade, but OTOH, I accept that not everything going on in foreign affairs is something the government wishes to or can share with the person on the street. If it is life and death, I'm just glad it is THEIR life and death and I'm glad the USA is out there killing bad dudes (and this guy was a bad dude), I sure wouldnt want the USA tracking me with a missile.

As to war, we could stomp Iran like a bug. I don't see any war happening, not unless Iran is suicidal.

I agree with you as well. Except for the war part. Yes Iran is out matched and I think smart enough to not engage in a hot war with the US. But they have been attacking us with proxy groups for years which are now merging association with there government. We would also have said that we would stomp any country in the Middle East with our military strength however it’s not that simple. Look how long we’ve currently been at war over there... no quick stomping. We aren’t on our homeland, we are on theirs and we are talking tons of people over an extremely large territory. War isn’t a simple arm wrestling match as you well know.

I have nothing against showing our strength, taking out threats, and being strategically positioned for our protection. But I am somebody that does not trust Trump. That’s not an attack, many millions of people don’t trust him either and you can’t deny that he has earned that mistrust by how he conducts himself. I don’t like, but I understand hyperbole for political purposes but like I said, this is life and death and we need to hold our leaders to higher standards. I’d say that to any admin

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You say he didn't know anything about attacks, but he clearly stated he did in the quote I provided.

Oops!

No, he said he knew nothing about them.

He said, "There was going to be an attack within a matter of days that would be broad in scale – in other words, more than one country – and that it would be bigger than previous attacks."

Esper says he's seen no hard evidence embassies under threat

Who said embassies were the only target?

Oops!

Who said anything?

Trumps narrative is constantly changing. He throws “facts” out that he is obviously just making up

Taking a country to war is serious business. A leader must build trust with his people

The people don't trust Trump because of his incessant lying.

 

[Dragonlady]

I’m sorry, if I substitute immature for child would that be better?

At this point it really doesn't matter because your arguments are all hysterical.

Would you call his name calling and online trolling mature or immature actions? Simple question

I call it giving to Democrat liars and traitors what they deserve which is no respect. Frankly I’d hang every damn one of those anti-American sleezeballs.

Democrats aren't the liars and they're not the one who is selling out the USA to the Russians.

whats that projection theory???

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The Huber Investigation just looked at that deal and found “nothing”.

There have been four investigations of all things Hillary which wrapped up in the past month and all of them found nothing.

In the meantime everyone around Donald Trump is now in jail, awaiting sentencing, or under FBI Investigation, and Trump has been Impeached.

 

[Slade3200]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

then you can prove he made stuff up???

i just laid it out. Imminent threat and 4 embassy claims have evidence that contradict those claims

 

[progressive hunter]

At this point it really doesn't matter because your arguments are all hysterical.

Would you call his name calling and online trolling mature or immature actions? Simple question

I call it giving to Democrat liars and traitors what they deserve which is no respect. Frankly I’d hang every damn one of those anti-American sleezeballs.

Democrats aren't the liars and they're not the one who is selling out the USA to the Russians.

whats that projection theory???

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

The Huber Investigation just looked at that deal and found “nothing”.

There have been four investigations of all things Hillary which wrapped up in the past month and all of them found nothing.

In the meantime everyone around Donald Trump is now in jail, awaiting sentencing, or under FBI Investigation, and Trump has been Impeached.

what no link???

 

[progressive hunter]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

then you can prove he made stuff up???

i just laid it out. Imminent threat and 4 embassy claims have evidence that contradict those claims

that was your opinion not proof,,,

did you read all the classified stuff yet???

 

[Slade3200]

So.........Trump was given the option of killing Soleimani months ago, it was advocated by advisers, he initially rejected the idea, then a US contractor was killed meeting the criteria for the assassination he established in his head, Trump gave the go ahead order, and the admin has been lying about the rationale ever since.

when did they lie about it???

The imminent attack and 4 embassy claims appear to be dishonest. Many will see those as lies and other will spin around it. Either way they are misleading statements.

what proof do you have they are dishonest???

It’s been stated by the admin that the attack on Soleimani was presented as an option for retaliation for the embassy attack. That means it was not brought to POTUS as an imminent attack that needed immediate response. Trumps 4 embassy claim was contradicted the next day by Sec Def when he said on national TV that he hasn’t seen any intel supporting that claim. Do you deny either of those things? If so then why?

thats not proof of anything,,,I am sure youre aware a lot of stuff you and I know nothing about happens daily in government,,,

not to mention the classified stuff we will never know about,,,

so as I said,,a terrorist is dead and a oppressed people are standing up for themselves,,
WIN!! WIN!!

It is literally proof to back up my claims. You just saying that’s not proof and then Dismissing it by saying, bad man dead, is a really weak argument.

 

[pknopp]

Pay attention or don't post.

You say he didn't know anything about attacks, but he clearly stated he did in the quote I provided.

Oops!

No, he said he knew nothing about them.

He said, "There was going to be an attack within a matter of days that would be broad in scale – in other words, more than one country – and that it would be bigger than previous attacks."

Esper says he's seen no hard evidence embassies under threat

Who said embassies were the only target?

Oops!

Now Trump says it doesn't even matter if he was telling the truth or not.

Trump says it doesn't matter if Soleimani posed an imminent threat

 

[progressive hunter]

when did they lie about it???

The imminent attack and 4 embassy claims appear to be dishonest. Many will see those as lies and other will spin around it. Either way they are misleading statements.

what proof do you have they are dishonest???

It’s been stated by the admin that the attack on Soleimani was presented as an option for retaliation for the embassy attack. That means it was not brought to POTUS as an imminent attack that needed immediate response. Trumps 4 embassy claim was contradicted the next day by Sec Def when he said on national TV that he hasn’t seen any intel supporting that claim. Do you deny either of those things? If so then why?

thats not proof of anything,,,I am sure youre aware a lot of stuff you and I know nothing about happens daily in government,,,

not to mention the classified stuff we will never know about,,,

so as I said,,a terrorist is dead and a oppressed people are standing up for themselves,,
WIN!! WIN!!

It is literally proof to back up my claims. You just saying that’s not proof and then Dismissing it by saying, bad man dead, is a really weak argument.

no its not,,,and did you read all the classified stuff??

I'm not sure youre aware.. but no president in american history has told the people everything when it comes to war,,,
so remember you are going off limited info,,,

 

[Slade3200]

What Trump has once again demonstrated is that he can’t be trusted when he provides us with information.

How can he convince us or our allies to support military action when he obviously just makes things up?

this is at the heart of the issue in my opinion

then you can prove he made stuff up???

i just laid it out. Imminent threat and 4 embassy claims have evidence that contradict those claims

that was your opinion not proof,,,

did you read all the classified stuff yet???

i don’t need to see classified intel, I just need to observe the admins statements. The Def Sec said on national tv that he hasn’t seen any intel saying there were planned attacks on 4 embassies. Are you trying to make the case that Trump has some secrete intel so classified that his secretary of defense can’t see it?