The Government Doesn't Like the Way You Raise Your Kids?

[danielpalos]

I believe full recourse to a federal Doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will could solve this social dilemma on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States when done at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.

What excuse could Persons have with recourse to a consistent income under Any form of Capitalism.

WTF

you just needed a clue and a Cause; why not do some research to show you actually care.

Bite me

Employment at will and minimum wage laws have zero to do with the topic and he(?) is repeating the same post

still no clue or no Cause; i got it; shill for the Right.

Oh
It's you regurgitating the same drivel.

and, you still don't have a clue or a Cause. how rational is that

 

[danielpalos]

I believe full recourse to a federal Doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will could solve this social dilemma on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States when done at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.

What excuse could Persons have with recourse to a consistent income under Any form of Capitalism.

WTF

Danielpalos is one of those posters who floods the thread with text, and expects the rest of us to think he is smart.

Don't feed the troll, or the idiot, or the idiot troll, whichever he is.

First I thought he was defending his sock. Then I realized it was his own Bullshit off topic

nothing but hearsay and soothsay on the part of the Right; i got it.

 

[danielpalos]

I believe full recourse to a federal Doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will could solve this social dilemma on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States when done at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.

What excuse could Persons have with recourse to a consistent income under Any form of Capitalism.

WTF

Danielpalos is one of those posters who floods the thread with text, and expects the rest of us to think he is smart.

Don't feed the troll, or the idiot, or the idiot troll, whichever he is.

nothing but diversion and that form of fallacy from the Party of No solutions; some on the left, get it.

Just regurgitated talking points, nothing more.

i don't need any more with the Right.

 

[danielpalos]

I believe full recourse to a federal Doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will could solve this social dilemma on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States when done at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.

What excuse could Persons have with recourse to a consistent income under Any form of Capitalism.

WTF

Danielpalos is one of those posters who floods the thread with text, and expects the rest of us to think he is smart.

Don't feed the troll, or the idiot, or the idiot troll, whichever he is.

But they're so cute when their little whiskers twitch like that.

i can adore cute poon for hours.

 

[dblack]

From someone who knows the family:

"These people are the worst kind imaginable. Know them well…I just sit and laugh at how they have scammed ALL of you! They are the biggest con-artists out there. They do nothing but prey off of good people, many who have just helped donate to their scam. They are NOT “un-schoolers, home-schooler’s or homesteaders! They actually give home-schooling families and people who live off the grid a horrible name. They’re kids are treated like slaves and it is sick! ...

.. Joe bullies local Bishops, preachers, and any and all clergy-by stating he will use force on them if money isn’t donated to him to pay his bills. He has also threatened good christian people and their children! YES! Their children…This is the kind of sick individual you all are donating money too. He has been arrested numerous times and has been reported to CPS numerous times by hard-working concerned citizens, not a meth using facebook user as they would like you to believe.

The children appear brain-washed and abused and have absolutely no social skills what so ever. You can contradict me all you wish, but we have experienced this family first-hand. I also know people who have been in the home and what you would experience upon entering is sickening! It was stated that there was human feces everywhere! The children looked as if they hadn’t been bathed in months with feces all over them. No water or beds for them to sleep in. She will post a picture on fb of a bed and spin it a thousand different ways to make you think the children have beds. She grooms dogs because he will not work! When you have ten kids…you work to support your family!

I don’t care what or where you live…a condo or in the wilderness! They manipulate social media to their advantage and I listened to that audio and that Sheriff was doing his JOB!!! She resisted arrest and put on a big show for everyone! THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME. They go into a grocery store and steal and pretend to fall, just so they can get money from the owners. They are hypocrites who judge everyone else in society who doesn’t live the way they do.

They also posted something once that all the men and women who fight for this country, deserve to die…these are two sick and twisted individuals. This time they went too far. The best thing that could ever happen is their children are taken away. It is my sincere hope they are not returned. I pray for that Sheriffs Dept, that they will be able to prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. This is the truth and I could care less who replies and donates to them. They will squander all your money away and be back in the very same position months from now. "

And you Republicunts are defending that? Really?

I'm not a Republican, but based the comments above, and the admittedly sketchy info in the article - yeah, I'll defend them. If there's actual evidence that this family was some kind of public menace, they should have been arrested and or prosecuted via legitimate legal channels. But this sounds very much like their main crime was not meeting the approval of their neighbors.

Government shouldn't be reduced to a tool for persecuting people we don't like.

 

[orogenicman]

There's no "then" they might have an interest, they do, from day one until day xx,xxx. Time to grow up now, Bripiss.

I didn't say they ever had "an interest." They may have a justification to interfere, only if the kids are being abused, and that can only be determined in a court of law.

They have no "interest," you Nazi asshole, any more than they have an "interest" in my financial affairs.

They have an interest in that as well, my little infant. You are a citizen, their citizen. What you believe doesn't matter, what is true does.

Wrong again, you Nazi asshole. What you really mean is I am a subject. Citizens have rights, which include having the government stay out of their business.

And children have rights, too. They have a right to a safe home environment. They have a right to a clean home environment. They have a right to receive proper medical care if needed. They have a right to have a proper education. They have a right to healthy food and clean water. If the parents don't provide these, the government has an obligation to step in on their behalf.

Fascist.

Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word. But if promoting the rights of children makes me a fascist in your eyes, then I'll happily wear the crown.

 

[martybegan]

I didn't say they ever had "an interest." They may have a justification to interfere, only if the kids are being abused, and that can only be determined in a court of law.

They have no "interest," you Nazi asshole, any more than they have an "interest" in my financial affairs.

They have an interest in that as well, my little infant. You are a citizen, their citizen. What you believe doesn't matter, what is true does.

Wrong again, you Nazi asshole. What you really mean is I am a subject. Citizens have rights, which include having the government stay out of their business.

And children have rights, too. They have a right to a safe home environment. They have a right to a clean home environment. They have a right to receive proper medical care if needed. They have a right to have a proper education. They have a right to healthy food and clean water. If the parents don't provide these, the government has an obligation to step in on their behalf.

Fascist.

Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word. But if promoting the rights of children makes me a fascist in your eyes, then I'll happily wear the crown.

it makes you a senseless busybody when you confuse using CDS to stop abuse, and using CDS to prevent parenting you don't approve of. The State has no license to interfere in parenting unless an actual crime is being committed, i.e. actual abuse.

 

[danielpalos]

i love consistency even while learning new trics.

 

[Pogo]

Why they 'll just come along and take them!


Let’s be very clear about this – Joe and Nicole had done nothing to violate the law whatsoever. All of their kids were happy, healthy and very intelligent. But because the control freaks running things in Kentucky got wind of their “off the grid lifestyle”, they have now had all of their children unlawfully abducted from them.


So, let's see what the liberals have to say about this? What happened to Liberty in this country?


Read more @ Police Abduct 10 Children From A Family In Kentucky Because Of Their Off The Grid Lifestyle

Your kids aren't your property, they are your responsibility to raise. At some point the state interest, it has one, takes over.

Un-schooling? Yeah, that would be an issue alright.

"Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards. The family’s Facebook page calls it a “back to basics life.” They have a garden and raise animals. Deputies apparently were concerned about whether the children’s needs were being met, but friends say they personally have no concerns — and that the children are blessed to have Joe and Nicole as their parents."

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

 

[danielpalos]

Why they 'll just come along and take them!


Let’s be very clear about this – Joe and Nicole had done nothing to violate the law whatsoever. All of their kids were happy, healthy and very intelligent. But because the control freaks running things in Kentucky got wind of their “off the grid lifestyle”, they have now had all of their children unlawfully abducted from them.


So, let's see what the liberals have to say about this? What happened to Liberty in this country?


Read more @ Police Abduct 10 Children From A Family In Kentucky Because Of Their Off The Grid Lifestyle

Your kids aren't your property, they are your responsibility to raise. At some point the state interest, it has one, takes over.

Un-schooling? Yeah, that would be an issue alright.

"Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards. The family’s Facebook page calls it a “back to basics life.” They have a garden and raise animals. Deputies apparently were concerned about whether the children’s needs were being met, but friends say they personally have no concerns — and that the children are blessed to have Joe and Nicole as their parents."

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

Should they claim to be bakers with bakers morals and decry a dearth of religious liberty?

 

[martybegan]

Why they 'll just come along and take them!


Let’s be very clear about this – Joe and Nicole had done nothing to violate the law whatsoever. All of their kids were happy, healthy and very intelligent. But because the control freaks running things in Kentucky got wind of their “off the grid lifestyle”, they have now had all of their children unlawfully abducted from them.


So, let's see what the liberals have to say about this? What happened to Liberty in this country?


Read more @ Police Abduct 10 Children From A Family In Kentucky Because Of Their Off The Grid Lifestyle

Your kids aren't your property, they are your responsibility to raise. At some point the state interest, it has one, takes over.

Un-schooling? Yeah, that would be an issue alright.

"Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards. The family’s Facebook page calls it a “back to basics life.” They have a garden and raise animals. Deputies apparently were concerned about whether the children’s needs were being met, but friends say they personally have no concerns — and that the children are blessed to have Joe and Nicole as their parents."

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

Who defines abuse? Abuse has to involve something criminal.

My parents used to let me drink soda when I was growing up, as much as I wanted. We always had cookies and fruit roll ups available. Some people consider that abuse, who gets to decide that?

 

[Pogo]

Your kids aren't your property, they are your responsibility to raise. At some point the state interest, it has one, takes over.

Un-schooling? Yeah, that would be an issue alright.

"Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards. The family’s Facebook page calls it a “back to basics life.” They have a garden and raise animals. Deputies apparently were concerned about whether the children’s needs were being met, but friends say they personally have no concerns — and that the children are blessed to have Joe and Nicole as their parents."

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

Who defines abuse? Abuse has to involve something criminal.

My parents used to let me drink soda when I was growing up, as much as I wanted. We always had cookies and fruit roll ups available. Some people consider that abuse, who gets to decide that?

Presumably someone with WAY more info that we have about it based on the family's Nosebook PR.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You'd swear these morons think she's my daughter so I can keep her from an education and bed down with her at night. Women and children as property.

 

[martybegan]

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

Who defines abuse? Abuse has to involve something criminal.

My parents used to let me drink soda when I was growing up, as much as I wanted. We always had cookies and fruit roll ups available. Some people consider that abuse, who gets to decide that?

Presumably someone with WAY more info that we have about it based on the family's Nosebook PR.

Not exactly an answer.

 

[martybegan]

You'd swear these morons think she's my daughter so I can keep her from an education and bed down with her at night. Women and children as property.

What about some hippy couple that has their kid live in a commune, with no access to TV, internet, internal plumbing?

Is it the lifestyle or the politics behind it that bothers you?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You'd swear these morons think she's my daughter so I can keep her from an education and bed down with her at night. Women and children as property.

What about some hippy couple that has their kid live in a commune, with no access to TV, internet, internal plumbing?

Is it the lifestyle or the politics behind it that bothers you?

It's not the politics. I'd have tens of millions of kids on my hands in that case.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Your kids aren't your property, they are your responsibility to raise. At some point the state interest, it has one, takes over.

Un-schooling? Yeah, that would be an issue alright.

"Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards. The family’s Facebook page calls it a “back to basics life.” They have a garden and raise animals. Deputies apparently were concerned about whether the children’s needs were being met, but friends say they personally have no concerns — and that the children are blessed to have Joe and Nicole as their parents."

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

Who defines abuse? Abuse has to involve something criminal.

My parents used to let me drink soda when I was growing up, as much as I wanted. We always had cookies and fruit roll ups available. Some people consider that abuse, who gets to decide that?

Society, and the government it supports.

 

[orogenicman]

They have an interest in that as well, my little infant. You are a citizen, their citizen. What you believe doesn't matter, what is true does.

Wrong again, you Nazi asshole. What you really mean is I am a subject. Citizens have rights, which include having the government stay out of their business.

And children have rights, too. They have a right to a safe home environment. They have a right to a clean home environment. They have a right to receive proper medical care if needed. They have a right to have a proper education. They have a right to healthy food and clean water. If the parents don't provide these, the government has an obligation to step in on their behalf.

Fascist.

Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word. But if promoting the rights of children makes me a fascist in your eyes, then I'll happily wear the crown.

it makes you a senseless busybody when you confuse using CDS to stop abuse, and using CDS to prevent parenting you don't approve of. The State has no license to interfere in parenting unless an actual crime is being committed, i.e. actual abuse.

And you know that a crime was not committed in this case, how?

 

[martybegan]

They are not the states property ether,but to read your post??!!

They aren't property, they are citizens and therefore worthy of protection, even from their own parents. See how that works now?

And some government flunky gets to decide who needs protection or not?

No thank you. CPS is for actual abuse, not for questioning parenting methods.

Ah, but what if those parenting methods IS the abuse?

Who defines abuse? Abuse has to involve something criminal.

My parents used to let me drink soda when I was growing up, as much as I wanted. We always had cookies and fruit roll ups available. Some people consider that abuse, who gets to decide that?

Society, and the government it supports.

No, they define abuse by criminal code, so unless the Parents get charged with something, CPS should keep out of lifestyle and parenting issues.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong again, you Nazi asshole. What you really mean is I am a subject. Citizens have rights, which include having the government stay out of their business.

And children have rights, too. They have a right to a safe home environment. They have a right to a clean home environment. They have a right to receive proper medical care if needed. They have a right to have a proper education. They have a right to healthy food and clean water. If the parents don't provide these, the government has an obligation to step in on their behalf.

Fascist.

Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word. But if promoting the rights of children makes me a fascist in your eyes, then I'll happily wear the crown.

it makes you a senseless busybody when you confuse using CDS to stop abuse, and using CDS to prevent parenting you don't approve of. The State has no license to interfere in parenting unless an actual crime is being committed, i.e. actual abuse.

And you know that a crime was not committed in this case, how?

Then where are the criminal charges?