The Hostess-Twinkie who did what to kill it/them thread

[Neotrotsky]

These Losers cannot compete in a level playing field of capitalism so they blame OBAMA.

My goodness these losers are a sad lot, aren't they?

You mean crony capitalism

too bad when Papa Obama picks the companies
they are losers

 

[skookerasbil]

If you sugar junkies hurry you can still find some very good bargains on Halloween candy at the local grocery stores. I saw some 50% off candy yesterday at the Albertsons. That should help take the sting out of losing your access to Twinkies.

s0n......still got your own mug in the avatar.

Whats up with that?

I lost no bets...what's your point?

idk....just seems sorta gay to me. I mean, who puts their own mug into an avatar space?

 

[HUGGY]

s0n......still got your own mug in the avatar.

Whats up with that?

I lost no bets...what's your point?

idk....just seems sorta gay to me. I mean, who puts their own mug into an avatar space?

If I was wearing a pink feather boa I could see your source of concern. I am not.

 

[Neotrotsky]

any time these greedy unions take it in the pooper its hysterical.

No doubt all the union members can sleep better at night
knowing that...

Bakers Union President Frank Hurt, still has a job

 

[daveman]

Nobody ever screeches about union bosses making too much money.

Union Facts: Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers (BCTGMI) Profile, Membership, Leaders, Political Operations, etc.

Officers and Employees
Average Total Compensation: $94,797.07
Total Employees: 58
Employees Making more than $75,000: 31
Top Ten Highest Paid Leaders

Name Title Total Compensation
FRANK HURT PRESIDENT $262,654.00
DAVID DURKEE SECRETARY-TREASURER $244,396.00
JOSEPH THIBODEAU EXEC VICE PRESIDENT $218,989.00
STEVE BERTELLI VICE PRESIDENT $198,062.00
MICHAEL KONESKO VICE PRESIDENT $184,297.00
ARTHUR MONTMINY VICE PRESIDENT $175,505.00
ANTHONY JOHNSON VICE PRESIDENT $167,433.00
ROBERT OAKLEY VICE PRESIDENT $167,265.00
RANDY ROARK VICE PRESIDENT $166,849.00
SEAN KELLY VICE PRESIDENT $161,789.00

Outrageous, and still no where near what Hostesses bosses were being paid.

And every dime these guys got came directly out of the rank-and-file's pocket.

 

[daveman]

Cracks me up watching the righties here completely ignore the fact that TWINKIES just cannot cut it on a level playing field in the free market.


So they blame Obama for what is obviously the mismanagement.

MORONS,Twinkie is not the ONLY company that has to deal with the cost of HC.

But it is the only bakery company that is blaming that HC program for why they can not compete.

Losers.

I am sure the new non-union owners of the brand name will kick ass with it.

Perhaps Little Debbies will gobble it up.

And Lil Debbies will ALSO be paying the HC costs that the TWINKIE folks claim are the reason they must shut down.


Run along losers, real capitalists will pick up that market share.

Ed, Hostess cited rising HC costs AND labor costs in its decision to close.

But you just make sure you don't blame the union for its part.

 

[rightwinger]

Republican bizarro think

Let the auto companies fail....but save my twinkies

 

[HUGGY]

I am sure the new non-union owners of the brand name will kick ass with it.

Perhaps Little Debbies will gobble it up.

And Lil Debbies will ALSO be paying the HC costs that the TWINKIE folks claim are the reason they must shut down.


Run along losers, real capitalists will pick up that market share.

Ed, Hostess cited rising HC costs AND labor costs in its decision to close.

But you just make sure you don't blame the union for its part.

The unions don't set prices for products or control distribution. If a product is not desired any more it is almost always because of a poor advertising campaign or a better more desireable product is on the market. Some businesses just simply fail because the public has less interest or need for it. You cannot expect the unions or any workers to accept less money because a product cannot or will not be maketed as successfully as it once was. People are wising up to nutrition. Twinkies and Hostess failed because they and their other products are crap.

 

[daveman]

And Lil Debbies will ALSO be paying the HC costs that the TWINKIE folks claim are the reason they must shut down.


Run along losers, real capitalists will pick up that market share.

Ed, Hostess cited rising HC costs AND labor costs in its decision to close.

But you just make sure you don't blame the union for its part.

The unions don't set prices for products or control distribution. If a product is not desired any more it is almost always because of a poor advertising campaign or a better more desireable product is on the market. Some businesses just simply fail because the public has less interest or need for it. You cannot expect the unions or any workers to accept less money because a product cannot or will not be maketed as successfully as it once was. People are wising up to nutrition. Twinkies and Hostess failed because they and their other products are crap.

Do you really believe that the cost of labor is not part of the price of a product?

 

[HUGGY]

Ed, Hostess cited rising HC costs AND labor costs in its decision to close.

But you just make sure you don't blame the union for its part.

The unions don't set prices for products or control distribution. If a product is not desired any more it is almost always because of a poor advertising campaign or a better more desireable product is on the market. Some businesses just simply fail because the public has less interest or need for it. You cannot expect the unions or any workers to accept less money because a product cannot or will not be maketed as successfully as it once was. People are wising up to nutrition. Twinkies and Hostess failed because they and their other products are crap.

Do you really believe that the cost of labor is not part of the price of a product?

What does that have to do with Hostess failing? Hostess is free to make their crap food products in China. I doubt that "price" is the most important factor in why Hostess products are not selling as well as they were in the past. If we follow your logic then the bakers and other employees should get lower and lower pay until they are working for free to keep Twinkies on the shelf.

 

[rightwinger]

And Lil Debbies will ALSO be paying the HC costs that the TWINKIE folks claim are the reason they must shut down.


Run along losers, real capitalists will pick up that market share.

Ed, Hostess cited rising HC costs AND labor costs in its decision to close.

But you just make sure you don't blame the union for its part.

The unions don't set prices for products or control distribution. If a product is not desired any more it is almost always because of a poor advertising campaign or a better more desireable product is on the market. Some businesses just simply fail because the public has less interest or need for it. You cannot expect the unions or any workers to accept less money because a product cannot or will not be maketed as successfully as it once was. People are wising up to nutrition. Twinkies and Hostess failed because they and their other products are crap.

During the last Hostess bankruptcy the unions accepted major givebacks. That year the CEO tripled his own salary as well as that of other major executives

Does anyone wonder why the unions were not offering further givebacks during this bankruptcy?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/20...er-the-blame-for-hostesss-downfall/?mobile=wt

 

[rightwinger]

BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.
Certainly, the company agreed to an out-sized pension debt, but the decision to pay executives more while scorning employee contracts during a bankruptcy reflects a lack of good managerial judgement.

 

[GoneBezerk]

This should forever be known as the Twinkie Model....where 1 greedy union gets their jobs, another union's jobs and non-union jobs all destroyed in one move.

 

[rightwinger]

This should forever be known as the Twinkie Model....where 1 greedy union gets their jobs, another union's jobs and non-union jobs all destroyed in one move.

If management wanted unions to accept further wage cuts......why did the CEO triple his own salary?

 

[Mr Natural]

This should forever be known as the Twinkie Model....where 1 greedy union gets their jobs, another union's jobs and non-union jobs all destroyed in one move.

If management wanted unions to accept further wage cuts......why did the CEO triple his own salary?

Because he could?

 

[daveman]

The unions don't set prices for products or control distribution. If a product is not desired any more it is almost always because of a poor advertising campaign or a better more desireable product is on the market. Some businesses just simply fail because the public has less interest or need for it. You cannot expect the unions or any workers to accept less money because a product cannot or will not be maketed as successfully as it once was. People are wising up to nutrition. Twinkies and Hostess failed because they and their other products are crap.

Do you really believe that the cost of labor is not part of the price of a product?

What does that have to do with Hostess failing? Hostess is free to make their crap food products in China. I doubt that "price" is the most important factor in why Hostess products are not selling as well as they were in the past. If we follow your logic then the bakers and other employees should get lower and lower pay until they are working for free to keep Twinkies on the shelf.

^^^ Leftist logic.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbfuck....things change. Just because you bought a car in January doesn't mean your life doesn't change in June to where the car is too expensive now.

The greedy union didn't want to take a 4% cut in wages with goodies like part ownership of the company and 2 seats on the BOG.

In an economy where people want jobs, the union showed they are greedy like you.

This should forever be known as the Twinkie Model....where 1 greedy union gets their jobs, another union's jobs and non-union jobs all destroyed in one move.

If management wanted unions to accept further wage cuts......why did the CEO triple his own salary?

 

[HUGGY]

Do you really believe that the cost of labor is not part of the price of a product?

What does that have to do with Hostess failing? Hostess is free to make their crap food products in China. I doubt that "price" is the most important factor in why Hostess products are not selling as well as they were in the past. If we follow your logic then the bakers and other employees should get lower and lower pay until they are working for free to keep Twinkies on the shelf.

^^^ Leftist logic.

I need to check with all of my Marxist comrades to see if your response makes any sense whatsoever.

 

[rightwinger]

This should forever be known as the Twinkie Model....where 1 greedy union gets their jobs, another union's jobs and non-union jobs all destroyed in one move.

If management wanted unions to accept further wage cuts......why did the CEO triple his own salary?

Because he could?

Hostess was facing a change in image with it's customer base. Doesn't mean they could no longer sell Twinkies, just that they needed to seriously remarket their product. That is a management responsibility, not labor

The CEO and top managers knew they were about to liquidate. That is why they jacked up their own salaries and tried to get a dirt low union contract

And the fucking conservatives blame the unions

 

[bitterlyclingin]

"We don't need no stinkin' jobs! We got Obama to rely on!"
Obamanomics in action. Yet Trumka has the cojones to say, with a straight face yet, that it was Mitt Romney style capitalism that killed the Twinkie. If you can't sell your product at a price sufficient to pay for your materials, supplies, labor, capital, and the rest of your overhead, you go out of business, find another job or line of work or stand by a highway exit with your tin cup and sign saying "Will work for food". However, since the advent of the "Age Of Obama" the government will, in exchange for your agreement to cast your vote perpetually for his person or his policies, shake down, extort, and steal from the rest of the population the funds to keep your business running. Any infidelities on your part will lead to the abrupt end of Obama's largesse.

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