The Newest Big Lie

[Luddly Neddite]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

There are so many new, big lies coming from the right, such as the Bush is not responsible for Iraq lie, it's impossible to keep track.

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period.

For that, you can thank those RW heroes, Big Insurance companies.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's called trying desperately to dig up shit to smear your enemy with well after the fact. It looks like the Dims don't have anything positive to run on. And btw, WMD were found and Saddam kept his cards close to his chest so everyone would think he had a production going. This is all really old news and a little humorous to see the libtards grope for some traction before the election.

Spoken ^^^ like a true Contard. At the time, no WMD's were found (Sect. Powell's dog and pony show before the world has been shown to be ridiculous), so your dirty little partisan spin is irrelevant.

And, it's not the Democrats who are re-litigating the Iraq invasion and occupation, it's the members of the clown car, each trying to runaway from their parties responsibility for laying the foundation for ISIS, and the collapse of Iraq.

Candidates struggle with Iraq political quagmire - CNNPolitics.com

Of course the willfully ignorant and partisans will deny the case presented in the link above, it's the MSM which they have been told is in the pocket of the "leftists".

Your seedy non functioning brain is of no consequence. Proving it doesn't further your case. Yes, WMD were found, regardless of anything Powell. Spinning it doesn't change anything.

An op-ed from CNN to back up your assertions? How cute! obama fucked it up, blaming Republicans while pretending what's going on isn't going on doesn't further your case either.

I'd suggest you've been brainwashed, but your denial of such obvious evidence is such that no working brain is evident. You don't trust the MSM, so where do you get your opinions from?

Much of what I've posted has been gleaned from the Horse's Mouth. I watched Powell, live on TV; I watched Rice, Cheney and Rumsfeld, live and on TV; I've read the Statement of Principles, ginning up a cause for war in Iraq years before 911; I watched the neo cons, members of the RNC and Bush himself lie about WMD's, much like the pols did during press conferences warning of the dangers of Vietnam falling - the Domino Theory. Fear mongering was prevalent then and now.

[We've seen a flood of the Red Scare; fear and hate mongering on political message boards has been common since the first partisan spoke the word "socialism" early on in the the debate to reform health care during the first term of the Clinton Administration.]

I have second hand knowledge that the event in the Gulf of Tonkin, used to justify the escalation of force in SE Asia was a non event [I ran into a guy I knew from High School on base - 32nd St. in San Diego - in the summer of 1967]; he told me he was on Turner Joy when the event in the GoT was supposed to have occurred and it did not.

To distrust the Government is healthy, to whine, complain and blame all government is ridiculous and paranoid. To excuse obvious mendacity, as Bush & Co. engaged to gin up war in Iraq, was criminal; those who try so hard to rewrite history many of us viewed as a current event is foolishly absurd.

LOL. You're the one claiming the government fabricated the war. Retard.

I'm sorry, the "retard" you choose to insult is tired of your bullshit and inability to comprehend simple sentences. Yes, Bush & Co fabricated reasons to invade Iraq; it is painful obvious that as early as 1967 members of W's administration were calling for the disposal of Saddam.

I don't believe you are a retard, or stupid; but it is clear to me that you and so many others who claim to be conservative on this message board are dishonest.

It is hard for me to fathom how someone can be so stupid as to buy the propaganda which places blame on the Democrats and President Obama for the war of choice in Iraq, or the near collapse of our economy. Some do; others are simply liars.

 

[occupied]

It's a lie.
The IRaq War was the right decision at the time. Obama bungled the peace and now we are sending ground troops back into Iraq.
Why all this deflection over Bush's decision in Iraq? Is it because Obama's foreign policy has crapped out all over the Middle East and ew need to deflect from that?

Peace became impossible the very minute those pictures came out of our soldiers torturing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners for fun. Anyone with any sense knew the peace would never be won.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

So, the incompetence of Obama has led to ISIS capturing Ramadi. Madam Hillary was shown to have embezzled $30 million in bribes from foreign governments, felony pay to play arrangements while SOS...

And your strategy is to scream BOOOOOOOSSSSH?

Seriously, you fuckers are pathetic.

 

[Iceweasel]

It's called trying desperately to dig up shit to smear your enemy with well after the fact. It looks like the Dims don't have anything positive to run on. And btw, WMD were found and Saddam kept his cards close to his chest so everyone would think he had a production going. This is all really old news and a little humorous to see the libtards grope for some traction before the election.

Spoken ^^^ like a true Contard. At the time, no WMD's were found (Sect. Powell's dog and pony show before the world has been shown to be ridiculous), so your dirty little partisan spin is irrelevant.

And, it's not the Democrats who are re-litigating the Iraq invasion and occupation, it's the members of the clown car, each trying to runaway from their parties responsibility for laying the foundation for ISIS, and the collapse of Iraq.

Candidates struggle with Iraq political quagmire - CNNPolitics.com

Of course the willfully ignorant and partisans will deny the case presented in the link above, it's the MSM which they have been told is in the pocket of the "leftists".

Your seedy non functioning brain is of no consequence. Proving it doesn't further your case. Yes, WMD were found, regardless of anything Powell. Spinning it doesn't change anything.

An op-ed from CNN to back up your assertions? How cute! obama fucked it up, blaming Republicans while pretending what's going on isn't going on doesn't further your case either.

I'd suggest you've been brainwashed, but your denial of such obvious evidence is such that no working brain is evident. You don't trust the MSM, so where do you get your opinions from?

Much of what I've posted has been gleaned from the Horse's Mouth. I watched Powell, live on TV; I watched Rice, Cheney and Rumsfeld, live and on TV; I've read the Statement of Principles, ginning up a cause for war in Iraq years before 911; I watched the neo cons, members of the RNC and Bush himself lie about WMD's, much like the pols did during press conferences warning of the dangers of Vietnam falling - the Domino Theory. Fear mongering was prevalent then and now.

[We've seen a flood of the Red Scare; fear and hate mongering on political message boards has been common since the first partisan spoke the word "socialism" early on in the the debate to reform health care during the first term of the Clinton Administration.]

I have second hand knowledge that the event in the Gulf of Tonkin, used to justify the escalation of force in SE Asia was a non event [I ran into a guy I knew from High School on base - 32nd St. in San Diego - in the summer of 1967]; he told me he was on Turner Joy when the event in the GoT was supposed to have occurred and it did not.

To distrust the Government is healthy, to whine, complain and blame all government is ridiculous and paranoid. To excuse obvious mendacity, as Bush & Co. engaged to gin up war in Iraq, was criminal; those who try so hard to rewrite history many of us viewed as a current event is foolishly absurd.

LOL. You're the one claiming the government fabricated the war. Retard.

I'm sorry, the "retard" you choose to insult is tired of your bullshit and inability to comprehend simple sentences. Yes, Bush & Co fabricated reasons to invade Iraq; it is painful obvious that as early as 1967 members of W's administration were calling for the disposal of Saddam.

I don't believe you are a retard, or stupid; but it is clear to me that you and so many others who claim to be conservative on this message board are dishonest.

It is hard for me to fathom how someone can be so stupid as to buy the propaganda which places blame on the Democrats and President Obama for the war of choice in Iraq, or the near collapse of our economy. Some do; others are simply liars.

I understood just fine. I pissed you off for a reason. You claimed I was paranoid and didn't trust government but you had just puked up a bunch of BushCo lied us into war bullshit and I countered with why that's nonsense. So if the retard name fits....

 

[Vandalshandle]

 

[Wry Catcher]

mmm. Rumsfeld s Revisionist History We Know Where The WMD Suspect Sites Are ThinkProgress

"It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
D. Rumsfelfd.
March 2003

"I said because they’ve just gotten in the southern part of the country and we know, I said something to that effect, that the suspect sites or sites were — meaning suspect sites were up in the area of Baghdad and north. That’s where the intelligence community said them. And we weren’t there yet. We hadn’t covered that piece of real estate."
D. Rumsfeld
May 2006

 

[Wry Catcher]

Spoken ^^^ like a true Contard. At the time, no WMD's were found (Sect. Powell's dog and pony show before the world has been shown to be ridiculous), so your dirty little partisan spin is irrelevant.

And, it's not the Democrats who are re-litigating the Iraq invasion and occupation, it's the members of the clown car, each trying to runaway from their parties responsibility for laying the foundation for ISIS, and the collapse of Iraq.

Candidates struggle with Iraq political quagmire - CNNPolitics.com



Of course the willfully ignorant and partisans will deny the case presented in the link above, it's the PBS which they have been told is in the pocket of the "leftists".

Your seedy non functioning brain is of no consequence. Proving it doesn't further your case. Yes, WMD were found, regardless of anything Powell. Spinning it doesn't change anything.

An op-ed from CNN to back up your assertions? How cute! obama fucked it up, blaming Republicans while pretending what's going on isn't going on doesn't further your case either.

I'd suggest you've been brainwashed, but your denial of such obvious evidence is such that no working brain is evident. You don't trust the MSM, so where do you get your opinions from?

Much of what I've posted has been gleaned from the Horse's Mouth. I watched Powell, live on TV; I watched Rice, Cheney and Rumsfeld, live and on TV; I've read the Statement of Principles, ginning up a cause for war in Iraq years before 911; I watched the neo cons, members of the RNC and Bush himself lie about WMD's, much like the pols did during press conferences warning of the dangers of Vietnam falling - the Domino Theory. Fear mongering was prevalent then and now.

[We've seen a flood of the Red Scare; fear and hate mongering on political message boards has been common since the first partisan spoke the word "socialism" early on in the the debate to reform health care during the first term of the Clinton Administration.]

I have second hand knowledge that the event in the Gulf of Tonkin, used to justify the escalation of force in SE Asia was a non event [I ran into a guy I knew from High School on base - 32nd St. in San Diego - in the summer of 1967]; he told me he was on Turner Joy when the event in the GoT was supposed to have occurred and it did not.

To distrust the Government is healthy, to whine, complain and blame all government is ridiculous and paranoid. To excuse obvious mendacity, as Bush & Co. engaged to gin up war in Iraq, was criminal; those who try so hard to rewrite history many of us viewed as a current event is foolishly absurd.

LOL. You're the one claiming the government fabricated the war. Retard.

I'm sorry, the "retard" you choose to insult is tired of your bullshit and inability to comprehend simple sentences. Yes, Bush & Co fabricated reasons to invade Iraq; it is painful obvious that as early as 1967 members of W's administration were calling for the disposal of Saddam.

I don't believe you are a retard, or stupid; but it is clear to me that you and so many others who claim to be conservative on this message board are dishonest.

It is hard for me to fathom how someone can be so stupid as to buy the propaganda which places blame on the Democrats and President Obama for the war of choice in Iraq, or the near collapse of our economy. Some do; others are simply liars.

I understood just fine. I pissed you off for a reason. You claimed I was paranoid and didn't trust government but you had just puked up a bunch of BushCo lied us into war bullshit and I countered with why that's nonsense. So if the retard name fits....

Want some more bullshit? Here's more of that bullshit, at least bullshit in the opinion of a lying partisan hack like you:

Why War - In Their Own Words - Who Said What When Truth War And Consquences FRONTLINE PBS

Head note from the link above:

In the months leading up to the war, the American people heard increasingly alarming statements from the Bush administration about the growing threat from the Iraqi regime's weapons of mass destruction and ties to terrorism. More recently, in the wake of chief U.S. weapons inspector David Kay's interim report -- in which he states that his team has so far failed to find any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in Iraq -- the administration's official assertions are decidedly more guarded. Trace the evolving rhetoric in this selection of statements from President Bush, Vice President Cheney, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Secretary of State Colin Powell.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ask Big Oil. Ask Halliburton and other war profiteers.

There were those who knew and we wiped out a country for no real reason at all.

What amazes me is that there are still people who believe Saddam was a danger to us and that he was responsible for 9/11.

This is NOT unimportant to the hundreds of thousands who were killed or maimed - for nothing.

Wow, Halliburton voted in Congress. Who knew?

Are you really so naive that you don't know we have the best congress money can buy?

and they dont even do a good job after they are paid.....

 

[Kondor3]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

I blame Shrub for getting us into that mess when it wasn't necessary.

I blame Obumble for the half-assed way he orchestrated the pull-out and eventual abandonment of Iraq.

I blame Shrub a lot more.

We need to learn "who knew what" and "when did they know it" - authoritatively and decisively and irrefutably - before we rush to judgment.

 

[Kondor3]

Iraq was always an artificial construct, anyway.

Time to break it up into its three primary constituent parts?

 

[Rambunctious]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

True...... even Clinton warned of Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and when the blue dress popped up Clinton bombed a building in Baghdad... you can't rewrite the history that we all lived through . lmao

 

[Kondor3]

It's a lie.
The IRaq War was the right decision at the time. Obama bungled the peace and now we are sending ground troops back into Iraq.
Why all this deflection over Bush's decision in Iraq? Is it because Obama's foreign policy has crapped out all over the Middle East and ew need to deflect from that?

Peace became impossible the very minute those pictures came out of our soldiers torturing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners for fun. Anyone with any sense knew the peace would never be won.

Yeah... unfortunately, I have to agree with your assessment...

This pretty-much did the trick...

Dumb-shit Weekend Warrior MP-wannabes...

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

I blame Shrub for getting us into that mess when it wasn't necessary.

I blame Obumble for the half-assed way he orchestrated the pull-out and eventual abandonment of Iraq.

I blame Shrub a lot more.

We need to learn "who knew what" and "when did they know it" - authoritatively and decisively and irrefutably - before we rush to judgment.

I don't know how anyone can blame Obama. He promised to end the war, he removed the troop on the timeline established by GW Bush, and Maliki told us he did not want any US troops to remain in Iraq.

Here's something I came across:

Top 10 Mistakes of former Iraq PM Nouri al-Maliki That Ruined his Country Informed Comment

 

[2aguy]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

If anyone lied it was ALL the politicians from both parties, that said Saddam had WMD's.

Evidence was missing and no one but Bush & Co. went on the airways to make a case for war without real evidence. Several of the signers of the Statement of Principles (Project for a New American Century, 1997) were members of the Bush Administration, including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Libby and Wolfowitz. And let's not forget Jeb Bush, not part of the Bush Administration, but obviously a member of Bush & Co. also signed this infamous document.

Do your homework, war with Iraq was the goal of the Bush Administration from day one of the election of Bush and Cheney, they simply needed an excuse.

So why did dozens of Democrats say the exact same thing as Bush&Co?

The Serial sexual predator bill clinton said the same things long before Bush was in office, then his wife and the other dimocrats demanded they be allowed to vote to go to war...all on their lonesome.....and the Congressional leadership had the same evidence as Bush....

The war was a good one but got fucked up by obama when he pulled our troops....

 

[2aguy]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

I blame Shrub for getting us into that mess when it wasn't necessary.

I blame Obumble for the half-assed way he orchestrated the pull-out and eventual abandonment of Iraq.

I blame Shrub a lot more.

We need to learn "who knew what" and "when did they know it" - authoritatively and decisively and irrefutably - before we rush to judgment.

I don't know how anyone can blame Obama. He promised to end the war, he removed the troop on the timeline established by GW Bush, and Maliki told us he did not want any US troops to remain in Iraq.

Here's something I came across:

Top 10 Mistakes of former Iraq PM Nouri al-Maliki That Ruined his Country Informed Comment

Really....you don't end wars by just not participating....when the other guys have not stopped participating and have said they are going to kill you....that is stupid......and typical obama....and the timeline.....you know...there is such a thing as changing circumstances and you change your plans when it looks like they need to be changed, and from the new evidence we have...obama didn't care about isis and still pulled our troops.....

And who the fuck cared what maliki wanted......we were there to stop attacks in the U.S. so we tell him, the country we liberated...Yeah, we need to stay a little longer to kill more terrorist assholes, you're good with that...right? And you make him see reality....

You libs have no fucking clue about the world do you?.....God help us....

 

[2aguy]

Do you dipshits realize we still have troops in Germany, Italy, and Japan...and we actually won that war in 1945.....and we have troops in South Korea as well......

And you guys think just pulling out troops when the fighting isn't over...just ends things...you guys are real geniuses.....

 

[Dot Com]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

Funnay how ALL the Repubs were for vietraq until right before the Adelson/Koch Primaries

 

[Kondor3]

The Iraq war was an honest mistake, nobody lied to the public, and anything bad that's happening now is Barack Obama's fault.

True or False?

Funnay how ALL the Repubs were for vietraq until right before the Adelson/Koch Primaries

Oh, there's plenty of blame to go around, on both sides of the aisle...

It's just that the Pubs need to be taking the lion's share of the credit for that one...

Not all...

Just the lion's share...

 

[Kondor3]

Do you dipshits realize we still have troops in Germany, Italy, and Japan...and we actually won that war in 1945.....and we have troops in South Korea as well......

And you guys think just pulling out troops when the fighting isn't over...just ends things...you guys are real geniuses.....

We should never have gone into Iraq in the first place...

Or, failing that, we should have kicked their asses, slaughtered Hussein and his sons, then walked away, leaving them to stumble about the smoking ruins...

We suck at Nation-Building nowadays...

The only reason why we did so well with both Germany and Japan, is that we had wasted them so badly that they lay prostrate at our feet, and they had no choice but to suck it up and cooperate with the occupation... a state of affairs not mimicked in virtually any other attempt at Nation Building since the end of WWII...

We got it (Nation Building) right twice within Living Memory, and on a grand scale...

Trouble is, we screwed-the-pooch on Nation Building a dozen or more times since those atypical days...

The lesson being... if you suck at Nation Building, but if you must go to war, then go, and kick ass, then walk away, and leave them to clean-up the mess themselves...