The Perception of Cheating is the Real Danger to Democracy


A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The National Pulse finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 36% who think it is Very Likely. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t believe it’s likely cheating affected the 2020 outcome, including 30% who say it’s Not At All Likely. These findings are similar to previous surveys in May and March. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Fifty percent (50%) of voters think it is at least somewhat likely there will be widespread cheating that will affect the outcome of this fall’s congressional elections, including 24% who say it’s Very Likely. Forty-one percent (41%) don’t believe cheating is likely to affect the November midterms, including 22% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

Voters remain skeptical of the integrity of vote-by-mail. Fifty-eight percent (58%) think it’s at least somewhat likely that wider use of mail-in voting will lead to more cheating in elections, including 39% who say it’s Very Likely. Thirty-six percent (36%) don’t believe mail-in voting is likely to lead to more cheating, including 16% who say it’s Not At All Likely. In October 2021, 65% said wider use of mail-in voting would lead to more cheating in elections.


It is relatively easy, compared to landing a man on the moon, or getting a vaccine developed and approved in a matter of months, or winning a war against both Germany and Japan's military machines, to ensure election security. The steps demanded by people concerned about cheating are pretty simple: Photo ID to register, photo ID to vote, and no absentee ballots except in limited and tightly controlled situations like military service, would easily address the concerns of voters who now wonder whether their vote even matters any more.

If the Democrat care so much about Democracy, they would demand the same thing. Especially an honest Dem who honestly believes that there is no significant cheating by Dems. If a Dem believes that, they should be willing to tighten up election security as you suggest so that confidence in Democracy is restored.

Suppose there is no widespread cheating. There is no way to prove that, since cheating is by nature furtive, and little to no resources are spent in catching it. But just suppose that the majority of Americans are wrong, and that in the reality that they don't know, there is very little cheating and what little there is on both sides cancel each other out.

It is not impossible that this is the reality. Perceptions can be wrong.

But . . . there is at this moment in time widespread perception of cheating and that is just as dangerous to Democracy, if not more so.

It's not just Trump cultists who are concerned about cheating:

Asked which is more important in elections, 59% say making sure there is no cheating is more important, while 38% say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important. Those findings are almost unchanged from May.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 37% of Democrats and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major party think it’s more important to make sure there is no cheating in elections. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats, 20% of Republicans and 33% of unaffiliated voters say making it easier for everybody to vote is more important.


If large chunks of the country lose interest in democracy as a way to affect change because they believe in the old meme, "if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it," they are not just going to passively accept their fate of being ruled by corrupt elites. They are going to look for ways outside of democracy to free themselves. That is the danger.

It is easy enough to vote. The above numbers show that more than half the Republicans and Democrats combined think it is more important to make sure there is no cheating than to make voting easier. With that kind of support for eliminating cheating, it should be an easy decision to take on a relatively easy mission.

Rasmussen is a phony poll. If their polls were true, Republicans would have won big. Voters strongly support such things as mail-in ballots.
 
I agree. Democrats states like Ny and Pa are very concerned with election integrity ... and are working extremely hard to eliminate it.

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Yep. Nobody at state level, of any state, Dem or Rep wants to be the butt of national jokes, because they can't run and election with integrity and on time. If Florida can do it with the 3rd largest population and Texas can with 2nd largest population and largest shear size, anybody should be able to figure it out, and it would definitely quieten down the political drama queens.
 
Yep. Nobody at state level, of any state, Dem or Rep wants to be the butt of national jokes, because they can't run and election with integrity and on time. If Florida can do it with the 3rd largest population and Texas can with 2nd largest population and largest shear size, anybody should be able to figure it out, and it would definitely quieten down the political drama queens.
Exactly.

If the story Democrats fall back on, that we don't need election security because there is no significant cheating is their true belief, why not say, "ok, you can have your 'secure elections,' with your stupid picture ID and in person voting so when we kick your asses you will have to find something else to whine about!"

Better yet, they could use it as a negotiating point to get something from Repubs that they want.
 
Yep. Nobody at state level, of any state, Dem or Rep wants to be the butt of national jokes, because they can't run and election with integrity and on time. If Florida can do it with the 3rd largest population and Texas can with 2nd largest population and largest shear size, anybody should be able to figure it out, and it would definitely quieten down the political drama queens.
Democrats don't want to fix it. They don't want an election DAY - they want an election week Or election MONTH

Any party that is against voter IDs, calls it 'racist' despite having to have ID to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, get a driver's license, get a library card, get on a plane...is not for fair, legal elections.
 
Exactly.

If the story Democrats fall back on, that we don't need election security because there is no significant cheating is their true belief, why not say, "ok, you can have your 'secure elections,' with your stupid picture ID and in person voting so when we kick your asses you will have to find something else to whine about!"

Better yet, they could use it as a negotiating point to get something from Repubs that they want.
I don't know about all that. Look who you are talking to. I am in Tennessee. Have had to have proof of ID for years other than voter registration card, (which I carry but cannot be used as ID as does not have a picture so pretty much worthless) but they accept my Dr License(real ID), Retired Military ID, or State/DHS Weapons Carry permit, or any other picture ID issued by State or Federal Government, so ID is no big deal. Tennessee is a non-strict photo ID requiring state.
The real deal is not ID for in person voting, it is secure, accurate ID on mail in or drop off, then it is the verification process and of course when those mail in or drop-offs can start to be processed verified and counted. I say it should be started immediately upon arrival along with early in person voting, but results withheld until polls closed on election day. Of course, that's just me.
 
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Democrats don't want to fix it. They don't want an election DAY - they want an election week Or election MONTH

Any party that is against voter IDs, calls it 'racist' despite having to have ID to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, get a driver's license, get a library card, get on a plane...is not for fair, legal elections.
You mean Red States, like Idaho, Montana, Utah, Oklahoma, Nebraska fail your standard, even though they are Republican Red states, but where they might ask but don't require photo ID?
 
The last 7 years have been about Democrats not only whining, crying, actually running into the street and screaming at the sky like retarded, brain-damaged sheep, but also about trying to PUNISH Trump for winning, for exposing them for who they are, for costing CNN and fake news its credibility, viewers, and money.

F*ing losers and crybabies, the cucks who know they suck, know they can't compete honestly and win, and thus who want everyone to get a trophy so they can feel better about sucking without having to work harder to get better - aka DEMOCRATS - are the real losers....the rest of us just end up paying for it.
that's the dems problem if they cry. Grow up and stop you're fucking whining.
 
You Nazis engaged in massive fraud in Maricopa county AZ - not happy that you can still defraud elections and destroy our democracy.
If you’re stupid enough to believe in baseless conspiracy theories, that’s your problem.

Sucks for you huh you little bitch? You’re sad and I’m glad you’re sad.
 
You mean Red States, like Idaho, Montana, Utah, Oklahoma, Nebraska fail your standard, even though they are Republican Red states, but where they might ask but don't require photo ID?
And lets not forget the Democrat complete opposition to cleaning / clearing out the voter rolls - God forbid Democrats lose voted from IDing voters who are now DEAD or those who have moved away...and wtf is up with allowing illegals to vote?!
 

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