The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[Weatherman2020]

Want to know an even BETTER question Correll?

Will the moderate Democrats (those that self identify on this board, and I think there may be 4) INSIST that people like Adam Shiff, Nancy Pelosi, and that dummy from California,(who's name escapes me at the moment) all MUST resign from congress after PROMISING that they had the goods to prove the HOAX was true!

Not to be picky, but both Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schitt are from California, and both are dummies.

I'm just saying. (The other one might be Kamala Harris.)

Don’t forget Mad Maxine Waters!

 

[Redfish]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

They're not. A court ordered investigation is not spying.

Neither is Constitutionally mandated Congressional oversight.

Putting the national security of the United States in jeopardy by exposing operatives and methods IS treason.

Barr and Trump better tread lightly. There is no statute of limitations on treason.

Courts don't order investigations. They approve certain means of gathering evidence. Prosecutors and law enforcement initiate investigations.

.

A warrant is a court order, dope.

if it was obtained fraudulently it is a crime.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Lol
You obviously don’t understand, high-level civilian employees make up the deep state/swamp exclusively

Trump is part of the deep state.

Dumbest post you've ever made.

We'll see.

Go ahead and rely on the corporate DNC run media to tell you the truthyness....

Truth just isn't part of their job;

{“Now ladies and gentlemen, the New York Times’ coverage of the Holocaust wasn’t inadequate; it was criminal. It was unconscionable. Apparently, for Annalisa Quinn, the Holocaust was no big deal. The Third Reich was no big deal. Anything in defense of the New York Times. Anything in defense of progressivism. Anything in defense of social activism, for fundamental transformation. It doesn’t matter. And you and I are subsidizing this woman, in part: She writes for National Public Radio. … When you all but cover up what took place in the Holocaust, and the extermination of six million Jews, that’s not ‘inadequate coverage’; that’s an abomination.”}

Levin: 'When you all but cover up' the Holocaust, 'that's not "inadequate coverage"; that's an abomination'

I do not rely on the corporate media. I read people who hold the corporate media accountable.

In what way do you hold the frauds of the DNC media "accountable?"

 

[SAYIT]

Will the moderate Democrats (those that self identify on this board, and I think there may be 4) INSIST that people like Adam Shiff, Nancy Pelosi, and that dummy from California,(who's name escapes me at the moment) all MUST resign from congress after PROMISING that they had the goods to prove the HOAX was true!

Not to be picky, but both Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schitt are from California, and both are dummies. I'm just saying. (The other one might be Kamala Harris.)

You forgot Maxi "Impeach 45" Waters and while Hawaii's Tulsi Gabbard seems OK, Sen Hirono is a Flaming Hawaiian MORON. I mean scary STUPID. Like AOC brain-dead. Very sad.

 

[Uncensored2008]

absolutely.....go far right enough, and you'll end up on the left

~S~

Utter stupidity.

Once their were two political ideas - Communism and Nazism.

One was a totalitarian state where the means of production were entirely controlled by the authoritarian state. One party rule under the party chairman who ruled through vast bureaucracies that regulated exactly what was to be produced and when. The individual was subverted to the collective and no rights belonged to any individual. Only the party had rights. Speech and religion were controlled by the all powerful government who sent dissenters and undesirables to death camps to be slaughtered after they could no longer work under enslavement.

Now the other was a totalitarian state where the means of production were entirely controlled by the authoritarian state. One party rule under the party chairman who ruled through vast bureaucracies that regulated exactly what was to be produced and when. The individual was subverted to the collective and no rights belonged to any individual. Only the party had rights. Speech and religion were controlled by the all powerful government who sent dissenters and undesirables to death camps to be slaughtered after they could no longer work under enslavement.

Both of these are far left. The Big Lie has no power when confronted for what it is, a lie.

 

[Tehon]

Trump is part of the deep state.

I don’t think so. If he were, why do they want him removed?

Now it could be Trump wants to be a member of the Deep State, but they don’t want him.

It no longer appears to me that they want him removed.

Why would they? He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media and overseeing the business. He is no different than Obama in this regard.

Trump bypasses Congress to sell bombs to Gulf states

The ONLY thing the corrupt shadow government wants is to get rid of Trump.

And where is this independent media? You mean Breitbart? The corporate DNC propaganda corps you cited are part of the deep state, a VITAL part.

Breitbart Give me a break.

If you can find anything false in the story I linked to, then point it out. Otherwise we will assume it to be factual.

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

 

[Tehon]

Trump is part of the deep state.

Dumbest post you've ever made.

We'll see.

Go ahead and rely on the corporate DNC run media to tell you the truthyness....

Truth just isn't part of their job;

{“Now ladies and gentlemen, the New York Times’ coverage of the Holocaust wasn’t inadequate; it was criminal. It was unconscionable. Apparently, for Annalisa Quinn, the Holocaust was no big deal. The Third Reich was no big deal. Anything in defense of the New York Times. Anything in defense of progressivism. Anything in defense of social activism, for fundamental transformation. It doesn’t matter. And you and I are subsidizing this woman, in part: She writes for National Public Radio. … When you all but cover up what took place in the Holocaust, and the extermination of six million Jews, that’s not ‘inadequate coverage’; that’s an abomination.”}

Levin: 'When you all but cover up' the Holocaust, 'that's not "inadequate coverage"; that's an abomination'

I do not rely on the corporate media. I read people who hold the corporate media accountable.

In what way do you hold the frauds of the DNC media "accountable?"

You are having a reading comprehension problem today.

 

[SAYIT]

Was obtained legally or not? WTF? They applied for and received a court order allowing surveillance. Not once but four times. That is the legal process.

All indications are the court order to spy on our President was obtained illegally. The court was lied to. That’s a felony.

Indeed it is but many of those indications can be explained in court by a good attorney as having been unintentional misstatements and mistakes. Unless the IG and/or DOJ put some nuts into vices and get some rollover, I'm afraid the results will be similar to those of the Mueller Report with one side screaming "exoneration" and the other screaming "hang 'em."

I'm not surprised that our Hutch Spaskies are already running interference. Their Collusion Delusion Fantasy has gone up in smoke and the possibility that it was a political fraud from the start is just too much for them to bear. It's like salt in their gaping wounds (and they have many).

 

[Uncensored2008]

absolutely.....go far right enough, and you'll end up on the left

...go far enough left and you'll end up on the right and as Mac noted, the R/L extremes have way more in common with each other than they with rational people.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think

Again, assumes the Big Lie.

Once you take off the blinders of the big lie and accept that Fascism IS socialism and sits on the far left, then you no longer have to fabricate absurd contortions to explain the glaring contradictions of the big lie.

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly.

I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go, so defend the big lie, tell us how Bolshevik Benito Mussolini, leader of the Italian Communist party, who went to prison in Switzerland for inciting a general strike on behalf of his boss, Lenin, was a "conservative?"

 

[Mac1958]

absolutely.....go far right enough, and you'll end up on the left

...go far enough left and you'll end up on the right and as Mac noted, the R/L extremes have way more in common with each other than they with rational people.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think

Again, assumes the Big Lie.

Once you take off the blinders of the big lie and accept that Fascism IS socialism and sits on the far left, then you no longer have to fabricate absurd contortions to explain the glaring contradictions of the big lie.

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly.

I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go, so defend the big lie, tell us how Bolshevik Benito Mussolini, leader of the Italian Communist party, who went to prison in Switzerland for inciting a general strike on behalf of his boss, Lenin, was a "conservative?"

And, right on cue.
.

 

[SAYIT]

Want to know an even BETTER question Correll?

Will the moderate Democrats (those that self identify on this board, and I think there may be 4) INSIST that people like Adam Shiff, Nancy Pelosi, and that dummy from California,(who's name escapes me at the moment) all MUST resign from congress after PROMISING that they had the goods to prove the HOAX was true!

Not to be picky, but both Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schitt are from California, and both are dummies.

I'm just saying. (The other one might be Kamala Harris.)

Don’t forget Mad Maxine Waters!

You mean old "Impeach 45, Impeach 45, Impeach 45, Impeach 45, Impeach 45" Maxipad?

How could anyone forget?

 

[hunarcy]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

If it's as serious as you say, it MUST be investigated. Let's see what, if anything, Barr uncovers.

 

[SAYIT]

I don’t think so. If he were, why do they want him removed?

Now it could be Trump wants to be a member of the Deep State, but they don’t want him.

It no longer appears to me that they want him removed.

Why would they? He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media and overseeing the business. He is no different than Obama in this regard.

Trump bypasses Congress to sell bombs to Gulf states

The ONLY thing the corrupt shadow government wants is to get rid of Trump.

And where is this independent media? You mean Breitbart? The corporate DNC propaganda corps you cited are part of the deep state, a VITAL part.

Breitbart Give me a break.

If you can find anything false in the story I linked to, then point it out. Otherwise we will assume it to be factual.

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Don't we all draw conclusions - often too hastily - but can you blame any American for doubting even our once most prestigious and credible MSM?

Most Americans say they have lost trust in the media

 

[Tehon]

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism?

It's reactionary. It's nationalist.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don’t think so. If he were, why do they want him removed?

Now it could be Trump wants to be a member of the Deep State, but they don’t want him.

It no longer appears to me that they want him removed.

Why would they? He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media and overseeing the business. He is no different than Obama in this regard.

Trump bypasses Congress to sell bombs to Gulf states

The ONLY thing the corrupt shadow government wants is to get rid of Trump.

And where is this independent media? You mean Breitbart? The corporate DNC propaganda corps you cited are part of the deep state, a VITAL part.

Breitbart Give me a break.

If you can find anything false in the story I linked to, then point it out. Otherwise we will assume it to be factual.

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

 

[Tehon]

It no longer appears to me that they want him removed.

Why would they? He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media and overseeing the business. He is no different than Obama in this regard.

Trump bypasses Congress to sell bombs to Gulf states

The ONLY thing the corrupt shadow government wants is to get rid of Trump.

And where is this independent media? You mean Breitbart? The corporate DNC propaganda corps you cited are part of the deep state, a VITAL part.

Breitbart Give me a break.

If you can find anything false in the story I linked to, then point it out. Otherwise we will assume it to be factual.

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Don't we all draw conclusions - often too hastily - but can you blame any American for doubting even our once most prestigious and credible MSM?

Most Americans say they have lost trust in the media

Of course I don't blame anyone for not trusting the corporate media. I don't.

 

[Uncensored2008]

absolutely.....go far right enough, and you'll end up on the left

...go far enough left and you'll end up on the right and as Mac noted, the R/L extremes have way more in common with each other than they with rational people.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think

Again, assumes the Big Lie.

Once you take off the blinders of the big lie and accept that Fascism IS socialism and sits on the far left, then you no longer have to fabricate absurd contortions to explain the glaring contradictions of the big lie.

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly.

I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go, so defend the big lie, tell us how Bolshevik Benito Mussolini, leader of the Italian Communist party, who went to prison in Switzerland for inciting a general strike on behalf of his boss, Lenin, was a "conservative?"

And, right on cue.
.

Excellent reply, you really provided a solid answer to "Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly."


I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go.

 

[imawhosure]

absolutely.....go far right enough, and you'll end up on the left

...go far enough left and you'll end up on the right and as Mac noted, the R/L extremes have way more in common with each other than they with rational people.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think

Again, assumes the Big Lie.

Once you take off the blinders of the big lie and accept that Fascism IS socialism and sits on the far left, then you no longer have to fabricate absurd contortions to explain the glaring contradictions of the big lie.

Name ONE THING "right wing" about fascism? A dedication to individualism? Hardly? Support of market economies? Dedication to civil rights? Not exactly.

I get that you are invested in the big lie and are reluctant to let it go, so defend the big lie, tell us how Bolshevik Benito Mussolini, leader of the Italian Communist party, who went to prison in Switzerland for inciting a general strike on behalf of his boss, Lenin, was a "conservative?"

And, right on cue.
.

OK Mac, you need to start a new thread.

Why?

Because you need ask the people on this board, who/whom in congress they consider FAR right, or FAR Left. I think you will be surprised to find--------------->that people on the right, only consider very few Democrats far Left in congress, problem is, they are the ones in control of the party.

I betcha that unless they read this post, every person leaning Left on this board, will consider 85% of the GOP hard right. Is that what you would say if asked?

It would be a fascinating study on how both sides view each other, and here is the kicker, and YOU will figure it out quickly----------------->the further right/left you are, the further the moderates from both party's in congress, appear waaaaaaaay out there, if they are the opposition, lol.

And remember, it isn't that someone doesn't LIKE them, or think they are sleezy, but rather-------------->who/whom in the opposing party in congress politics are to far, Left or Right!

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Want to know an even BETTER question Correll?

Will the moderate Democrats (those that self identify on this board, and I think there may be 4) INSIST that people like Adam Shiff, Nancy Pelosi, and that dummy from California,(who's name escapes me at the moment) all MUST resign from congress after PROMISING that they had the goods to prove the HOAX was true!

Not to be picky, but both Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schitt are from California, and both are dummies.

I'm just saying. (The other one might be Kamala Harris.)

Don’t forget Mad Maxine Waters!

You mean old "Impeach 45, Impeach 45, Impeach 45, Impeach 45, Impeach 45" Maxipad?

How could anyone forget?

I don't think the old crackhead is running for President, though.

 

[Tehon]

It no longer appears to me that they want him removed.

Why would they? He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media and overseeing the business. He is no different than Obama in this regard.

Trump bypasses Congress to sell bombs to Gulf states

The ONLY thing the corrupt shadow government wants is to get rid of Trump.

And where is this independent media? You mean Breitbart? The corporate DNC propaganda corps you cited are part of the deep state, a VITAL part.

Breitbart Give me a break.

If you can find anything false in the story I linked to, then point it out. Otherwise we will assume it to be factual.

The challenge when linking to MSNBC is finding anything TRUE in their stories.

But seriously, you think the corporate DNC controlled media is "independent?"

I didn't suggest that the corporate media was independent. That's you trying to draw conclusions.

Bullshit, unless a different Tehon posted "He is trying to silence the watchdog independent media "

You called the little Goebbels of the DNC Corporate media "watchdog independent media "

If you want actual independence try Breitbart, which is perhaps the ONLY honest media left.

Even Fox lied about Obama's cages when the Goebbels decided to blame them on Trump. Breitbart had reported on them in 2014 - indeed the photos were taken by Breitbart, but the DNC Media spiked the story to protect Obama.

Trump is trying to silence the independent media. Wikileaks is independent media. Trump has indicted Assange for disseminating truthful information.

That statement is completely independent of the second part of my post where I linked to an article by NBC. They are two separate ideas.