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Zone1 There is no "GOD", deal with it!
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Red Front
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Capitalism had bodies due to side effects, Communism had them due to intent. The purpose of the bad sides of Capitalism is to exploit, the purpose of Marxism in general is to control, and dead bodies cannot be exploited, but they sure don't need to be controlled anymore.
The thing is you remove a deity from the equation people look for something else, which is why we see the almost religious belief in AGW and gender theory.
People need a godhead, and ignoring an actual supernatural one, will find a replacement.
Right now criminals aren't paying as much as they used to, brought to you by the same people trashing religion.
No temporal punishment, no spiritual punishment, what's to stop those who don't give a damn from gunning for others for their own benefit?
You're silly, ignorant rhetoric against socialism is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. I'm not going to debate capitalism or economics on this thread, if you want to do that, open another thread and I will meet you there. Now back to the topic of this thread:
The most secular, atheistic countries on this planet, are the Scandinavian, Northern European nations, and Japan. Most civil countries in the world, with the lowest crime rates, are atheistic. Non-religious. If you look at the % of atheists (people who identify as atheists), in American prison, compared to the number of inmates that identify as Christians or express a belief in a god, the atheist prison population is less than 1%.
"According to the 2013 census, completed by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the U.S. prison population continues to decline. The estimated number of inmates in the prison system was 1,574,700 people.[9] Of these people, less than 1% (.07%) of inmates identify as atheists.[10]"
Source: Jailhouse Jesus - Wikipedia.
Those who identify as atheists, are the least likely people, to commit crimes and go to prison. You know why? Because you actually begin to value life more when you realize this is all we have. I've actually developed more empathy for other human beings, as an atheist, than I did when I was religious. It takes a certain level of maturity and intelligence to be an atheist. You don't squander your life, or focus on irrelevant, "aetherial" gobbledygook, but rather concentrate your time and energy on this life (the life you actually have), which is most likely the only life we're ever going to have.
Can you imagine spending your whole life focused on an "afterlife" that doesn't exist? Focus on this life, not an afterlife. Too many religious folks are placing way too much attention on an afterlife, and neglecting, depriving themselves, of the life they actually have. This one.
"...The combating of religion cannot be confined to abstract ideological preaching, and it must not be reduced to such preaching. It must be linked up with the concrete practice of the class movement, which aims at eliminating the social roots of religion..." Vladimir Lenin
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You're just projecting yourself on me. If you're claiming that there is a god and an afterlife, then prove it. You can't hence you're upset with me and start gas-lighting and accusing me of being something I'm not. If you believe there is a god being that created this universe and there is an afterlife, then prove it.We need not prove a thing, you, you must prove your claim, after all its your neurotic claim, which is absent a jot of supporting evidence, its just you raging at your lousy life!
Usually, the radical kooks like yourself, hating on God and Christianity, or any religious belief, usually its been my experience, such folk are homosexuals absolutely filled to brim with self-loathing, sound familiar???
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Again, as a lapsed Catholic at best, I am ill equipped to answer that question. What I can say is Atheists have an unfounded certainty in their viewpoint, considering they deny the existence of the concept we see as faith.
Whether you can recognize Satan's hand in it or not, surely you cannot deny the tragic consequences that have followed, where God is driven out, can you?
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Book name, page number. Lenin wrote a lot of books and articles, so whenever you quote him, provide a reference that way we can examine it and make sure you're quoting him accurately and in context."...The combating of religion cannot be confined to abstract ideological preaching, and it must not be reduced to such preaching. It must be linked up with the concrete practice of the class movement, which aims at eliminating the social roots of religion..." Vladimir Lenin
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One of the greatest evils on this planet is religion.
Says an admitted Communist.
"...As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism."
This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.
The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism.
The communist regime in the East could endure and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who (feeling the kinship!) refused to see communism's crimes, and when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify these crimes. The problem persists: In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. And yet Western intellectuals still look at it with considerable interest and empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East.
I am not examining the case of a disaster brought on by a world war and the changes which it would produce in society. But as long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we must lead an everyday life. Yet there is a disaster which is already very much with us. I am referring to the calamity of an autonomous, irreligious humanistic consciousness.
It has made man the measure of all things on earth — imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity, and dozens of other defects. We are now paying for the mistakes which were not properly appraised at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility.
We have placed too much hope in politics and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. It is trampled by the party mob in the East, by the commercial one in the West. This is the essence of the crisis: the split in the world is less terrifying than the similarity of the disease afflicting its main sections.
If, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to death, his task on earth evidently must be more spiritual: not a total engrossment in everyday life, not the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then their carefree consumption. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become above all an experience of moral growth: to leave life a better human being than one started it.
It is imperative to reappraise the scale of the usual human values; its present incorrectness is astounding. It is not possible that assessment of the President's performance should be reduced to the question of how much money one makes or to the availability of gasoline. Only by the voluntary nurturing in ourselves of freely accepted and serene self-restraint can mankind rise above the world stream of materialism.
Today it would be retrogressive to hold on to the ossified formulas of the Enlightenment. Such social dogmatism leaves us helpless before the trials of our times.
Even if we are spared destruction by war, life will have to change in order not to perish on its own. We cannot avoid reassessing the fundamental definitions of human life and society. Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man's life and society's activities should be ruled by material expansion above all? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our integral spiritual life?
If the world has not approached its end, it has reached a major watershed in history, equal in importance to the turn from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. It will demand from us a spiritual blaze; we shall have to rise to a new height of vision, to a new level of life, where our physical nature will not be cursed, as in the Middle Ages, but even more importantly, our spiritual being will not be trampled upon, as in the Modern Era.
The ascension is similar to climbing onto the next anthropological stage. No one on earth has any other way left but — upward." Alexander Solzhenitsyn - Harvard Address
This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.
The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism.
The communist regime in the East could endure and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who (feeling the kinship!) refused to see communism's crimes, and when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify these crimes. The problem persists: In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. And yet Western intellectuals still look at it with considerable interest and empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East.
I am not examining the case of a disaster brought on by a world war and the changes which it would produce in society. But as long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we must lead an everyday life. Yet there is a disaster which is already very much with us. I am referring to the calamity of an autonomous, irreligious humanistic consciousness.
It has made man the measure of all things on earth — imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity, and dozens of other defects. We are now paying for the mistakes which were not properly appraised at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility.
We have placed too much hope in politics and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. It is trampled by the party mob in the East, by the commercial one in the West. This is the essence of the crisis: the split in the world is less terrifying than the similarity of the disease afflicting its main sections.
If, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to death, his task on earth evidently must be more spiritual: not a total engrossment in everyday life, not the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then their carefree consumption. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become above all an experience of moral growth: to leave life a better human being than one started it.
It is imperative to reappraise the scale of the usual human values; its present incorrectness is astounding. It is not possible that assessment of the President's performance should be reduced to the question of how much money one makes or to the availability of gasoline. Only by the voluntary nurturing in ourselves of freely accepted and serene self-restraint can mankind rise above the world stream of materialism.
Today it would be retrogressive to hold on to the ossified formulas of the Enlightenment. Such social dogmatism leaves us helpless before the trials of our times.
Even if we are spared destruction by war, life will have to change in order not to perish on its own. We cannot avoid reassessing the fundamental definitions of human life and society. Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man's life and society's activities should be ruled by material expansion above all? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our integral spiritual life?
If the world has not approached its end, it has reached a major watershed in history, equal in importance to the turn from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. It will demand from us a spiritual blaze; we shall have to rise to a new height of vision, to a new level of life, where our physical nature will not be cursed, as in the Middle Ages, but even more importantly, our spiritual being will not be trampled upon, as in the Modern Era.
The ascension is similar to climbing onto the next anthropological stage. No one on earth has any other way left but — upward." Alexander Solzhenitsyn - Harvard Address
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As I just pointed out, the most secular countries on our planet, are the most civil, with the lowest crime rates. Hardly anyone in our prison system identifies as an atheist. The atheist population in American prisons is estimated at .07%, less than 1%. The prisons are full of god-believers.Whether you can recognize Satan's hand in it or not, surely you cannot deny the tragic consequences that have followed, where God is driven out, can you?
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You're silly, ignorant rhetoric against socialism is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. I'm not going to debate capitalism or economics on this thread, if you want to do that, open another thread and I will meet you there. Now back to the topic of this thread:
The most secular, atheistic countries on this planet, are the Scandinavian, Northern European nations, and Japan. Most civil countries in the world, with the lowest crime rates, are atheistic. Non-religious. If you look at the % of atheists (people who identify as atheists), in American prison, compared to the number of inmates that identify as Christians or express a belief in a god, the atheist prison population is less than 1%.
"According to the 2013 census, completed by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the U.S. prison population continues to decline. The estimated number of inmates in the prison system was 1,574,700 people.[9] Of these people, less than 1% (.07%) of inmates identify as atheists.[10]"
Source: Jailhouse Jesus - Wikipedia.
Those who identify as atheists, are the least likely people, to commit crimes and go to prison. You know why? Because you actually begin to value life more when you realize this is all we have. I've actually developed more empathy for other human beings, as an atheist, than I did when I was religious. It takes a certain level of maturity and intelligence to be an atheist. You don't squander your life, or focus on irrelevant, "aetherial" gobbledygook, but rather concentrate your time and energy on this life (the life you actually have), which is most likely the only life we're ever going to have.
Can you imagine spending your whole life focused on an "afterlife" that doesn't exist? Focus on this life, not an afterlife. Too many religious folks are placing way too much attention on an afterlife, and neglecting, depriving themselves, of the life they actually have. This one.
Marxism is tied into Atheism, and you have a commie avatar name. You can't separate the concepts.
Those countries are also lack of breeding themselves into Oblivion. They can't even reach replacement levels of procreation.
Can you imagine spending your whole life expecting oblivion as your reward?
The worst part of atheism is if you are right you won't be able to gloat about it.
"Whereas Marx and Engels had assumed that religion would wither away of its own accord once the socio-economic conditions changed (see Radical Hegelianism), many Bolscheviks supposed that an aggressive antireligious struggle would nevertheless be necessary. Echoing Lenin, the Marxist philosopher Bucharin (1888-1938), for example, in his ABC of Communism (1919) stated unreservedly that religion and communism were in theory and practice irreconcilable.[1]The antireligious movement in the USSR seems to have lost much of its impetus by the early 1930s, and during the second world war the USSR closed the Association of Militant Atheists (1941) so as not to risk division among the people against the common German enemy.[2] However, in 1955/6 militant atheism in the USSR was once more actively promoted, with the establishment of a Chair for Scientific Atheism in Moscow in 1963.[3] This trend was also reflected in policies in the Eastern Bloc and China."
[1]↑ Georges Minois, Histoire de L'atheisme (La Fleche: Fayard, 1998), 520.
[2]↑ Ibid., 526.
[3]↑ Ibid.
Marxism - Investigating Atheism
[1]↑ Georges Minois, Histoire de L'atheisme (La Fleche: Fayard, 1998), 520.
[2]↑ Ibid., 526.
[3]↑ Ibid.
Marxism - Investigating Atheism
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You're just projecting yourself on me. If you're claiming that there is a god and an afterlife, then prove it. You can't hence you're upset with me and start gas-lighting and accusing me of being something I'm not. If you believe there is a god being that created this universe and there is an afterlife, then prove it.
You'll have your proof in due time.
Your time in this life is finite, and will come to an end. You will stand before God, and be held to answer for what you did with this life. You'll have the opportunity, then, to tell Him to His face that He does not exist. I wonder if He'll be amused.
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Whether you can recognize Satan's hand in it or not, surely you cannot deny the tragic consequences that have followed, where God is driven out, can you?
I see less Satan, and more the replacing of belief in something bigger than yourself with the belief in only yourself as part of a collective.
They have replaced God with Gaia, Mary with Mike(ish) and the Holy Spirit with hatred.
"Communism begins from the outset with atheism..." Karl Marx
Private Property and Communism, Marx, 1844
Private Property and Communism, Marx, 1844
'New Atheism'
Over the past couple of years there has been an unexpected revival of strident atheism of a sort not seen in Europe or America for over half a century. Despite the claims of historians that that the old days of militant atheism are over and the previously sharp distinction between atheist and believer can be expected to be effaced still further in the postmodern climate of general relativism and indifferentism, [1]
[1]↑ See, for example, Georges Minois, Histoire de L'atheisme (La Fleche: Fayard, 1998).
Current Controversies - Investigating Atheism
Over the past couple of years there has been an unexpected revival of strident atheism of a sort not seen in Europe or America for over half a century. Despite the claims of historians that that the old days of militant atheism are over and the previously sharp distinction between atheist and believer can be expected to be effaced still further in the postmodern climate of general relativism and indifferentism, [1]
[1]↑ See, for example, Georges Minois, Histoire de L'atheisme (La Fleche: Fayard, 1998).
Current Controversies - Investigating Atheism
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