Trump-$1.2 Billion In Core Business Losses

[Polishprince]

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome. He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990. But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view. Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

And this is the guy who is our president. He could not even run a small company. He lost over 1 billion dollars, but according to some here he is this great successful businessman. He has successfully conned his way into the presidency. And now he is conning people into believing he turned around an economy that was turned around when he got there and that a legitimate investigation is a coup.

How stupid are we in America?

/——/ The NY Slimes ran this story in the 1990s. They are just rehashing old stale news. It’s all they have.

/——/ The NY Slimes ran this story in the 1990s. They

Got a link proving that claim?

Many New Yorkers suspected Trump was a lying sack of shit in the 1990s, but the research behind today's story was compiled after the Biggest Loser in US Business History became POTUS.

The Biggest Loser | DCReport.org

"A major implication of these tax documents, as well as the 2005 partial tax return obtained and other records, is that Trump’s tax returns would not stand up under audit.

"For example, consider the paper real estate losses Trump took on his tax returns...."

"The real estate losses Trump took far exceed the value of his buildings and the limits enacted by Congress governing how much of that value can be written off each year.

"That means he also had large other losses, which was known generally, but not the scale of those losses."

Why is any of this important in any way? It was already known that Donald J. Trump was the poorest man on the planet in the early 1990's, but that he came back in a huge way to win bigly. He wrote a fantastic book about it all, "The Art of the Comeback" if you're interested.

In any event, it was all a long time ago, and we can see Trump's tremendous record since.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome. He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990. But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view. Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

And this is the guy who is our president. He could not even run a small company. He lost over 1 billion dollars, but according to some here he is this great successful businessman. He has successfully conned his way into the presidency. And now he is conning people into believing he turned around an economy that was turned around when he got there and that a legitimate investigation is a coup.

How stupid are we in America?

/——/ The NY Slimes ran this story in the 1990s. They are just rehashing old stale news. It’s all they have.

/——/ The NY Slimes ran this story in the 1990s. They

Got a link proving that claim?

Many New Yorkers suspected Trump was a lying sack of shit in the 1990s, but the research behind today's story was compiled after the Biggest Loser in US Business History became POTUS.

The Biggest Loser | DCReport.org

"A major implication of these tax documents, as well as the 2005 partial tax return obtained and other records, is that Trump’s tax returns would not stand up under audit.

"For example, consider the paper real estate losses Trump took on his tax returns...."

"The real estate losses Trump took far exceed the value of his buildings and the limits enacted by Congress governing how much of that value can be written off each year.

"That means he also had large other losses, which was known generally, but not the scale of those losses."

/——/ Orange Man makes $$$$ bad. Orange Man losses $$$$ bad.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Dem politicians made millions off of the Real Estate bubble.

2001 a month after Bush entered office, the recession of 2001 took place, that was the Clinton economy. It hurt not only the rich but many others.

What was the economic policy that caused that? Because the tax cuts ended up slowing the economy for jobs, to go along with the housing crisis.

The Tech Stock bubble burst about 5 months before the election and that was what caused the first recession during Bush.
Bill Clinton was taking credit for the Stock Market rise, until it fell.
The second recession under Bush was caused by the Real Estate Bubble that the Dem policies caused.

Those evil Democrats did it in minority positions in both houses & Bush in the White House.

Economics is a difficult subject for the Left Wingers to understand.
Clinton had a Dem house and senate in his first two years.
Their brilliant idea was to lower the mortgage lending standards for the low class trash Democrat Voters.
Clinton threatened to fine banks if they didn't make those bad loans.
The real estate bubble didn't happen over night, it took years for it to grow.
Thank me for your free economic lesson.

Low income borrowers did not crash the economy

It was greedy speculators who drove refinancing and bundled high risk mortgages with low risk to sell them off

yea, the Democrats who run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

 

[sealybobo]

Which is why Republicans were right when the unemployment rate with Obama was so low, thanks to the stimulus that Trump takes credit for in his own historic unemployment lows, wages continue to be flat. Which is why people can't afford tuition and orthodontic bills. Unfortunately, as Republicans stated in the past with Obama, many of the jobs associated with the unemployment lows were minimum wage jobs. Are you fixing that problem with tax cuts to the wealthy? Obviously not. You yourself are telling us that people can't afford Orthodontic and school tuition and you are right. So, tell us how tax cuts going to the wealthy fixes that? Answer, it doesn't, and it has not. And that's reality.

We’ve had the largest wage increase in years under Trump, and a new all time high in median household income.


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One thing I can't deny is that I'm having the best years of my life. I was doing great under Obama but I'm doing even better now.

Overall Trump isn't worth it but I can't say he ruined the economy around me, yet.

Gore lost when the economy was great. He should have been elected based on the economy and so should have Hillary. Trump and Republicans convinced the voters that things weren't great in 2015 but they were. I was doing great. Manufacturing was doing great. We 80 straight months of adding jobs to the economy, no steps backward.

Republicans denied the unemployment number was real and didn't care that the stock market was doing great. They said what about blue collar. Well? What about them? They are still struggling. Far from maga.

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We’ve had the largest wage increase in years under Trump, and a new all time high in median household income.


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One thing I can't deny is that I'm having the best years of my life. I was doing great under Obama but I'm doing even better now.

Overall Trump isn't worth it but I can't say he ruined the economy around me, yet.

Gore lost when the economy was great. He should have been elected based on the economy and so should have Hillary. Trump and Republicans convinced the voters that things weren't great in 2015 but they were. I was doing great. Manufacturing was doing great. We 80 straight months of adding jobs to the economy, no steps backward.

Republicans denied the unemployment number was real and didn't care that the stock market was doing great. They said what about blue collar. Well? What about them? They are still struggling. Far from maga.

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

/——/ That's ridiculous. You’re grasping again.

 

[sealybobo]

One thing I can't deny is that I'm having the best years of my life. I was doing great under Obama but I'm doing even better now.

Overall Trump isn't worth it but I can't say he ruined the economy around me, yet.

Gore lost when the economy was great. He should have been elected based on the economy and so should have Hillary. Trump and Republicans convinced the voters that things weren't great in 2015 but they were. I was doing great. Manufacturing was doing great. We 80 straight months of adding jobs to the economy, no steps backward.

Republicans denied the unemployment number was real and didn't care that the stock market was doing great. They said what about blue collar. Well? What about them? They are still struggling. Far from maga.

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

/——/ That's ridiculous. You’re grasping again.
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I love it that you can't imagine why a rich 70 year old white racist and sexist pig would be such a greedy jerk.

Because he's a Republican silly.

 

[Oldstyle]

The NYT got hold of “transcripts” from Trump’s tax returns from the late 80’s and early 90’s.

He lost a shit ton of money. A top money loser. One of America’s biggest losers.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

This is damning.

No it isn't anyone with a brain knows that when you risk a lot of money, you can lose or gain a lot of money. Nine out of ten businesses fail, that is why I don't begrudge those who make it big.

Dude simply lost a ton of money. Good businessmen make money.

Good businessmen come back from down times. Trump lost a ton of money...then he made a ton of money. Why you think that is "damning" mystifies me! Anyone who knows Trump's history knows that there was a real rough patch in the 80's and early 90's. It is what it is.

Trump has never made "a ton of money". None of Trump's business has ever been a success. All of his golf resorts are losing money Trump makes money except the East Coast courses where he spends his weekends. Trump makes money off his bankruptcies, his TV show, and laundering money for Russians. The rest of his businesses go broke.

Donald Trump is a conman.

You're rather amusing. If none of Trump's businesses had ever been a success...then his "brand" would not be worth millions to others. It is because he had a knack for promotion. He made his properties valuable because he understood what people desired and gave it to them. Have some of his businesses been flops? Oh, yeah...HUGE flops! But Trump has never been afraid of failing....most successful people aren't!

 

[sealybobo]

Which is why Republicans were right when the unemployment rate with Obama was so low, thanks to the stimulus that Trump takes credit for in his own historic unemployment lows, wages continue to be flat. Which is why people can't afford tuition and orthodontic bills. Unfortunately, as Republicans stated in the past with Obama, many of the jobs associated with the unemployment lows were minimum wage jobs. Are you fixing that problem with tax cuts to the wealthy? Obviously not. You yourself are telling us that people can't afford Orthodontic and school tuition and you are right. So, tell us how tax cuts going to the wealthy fixes that? Answer, it doesn't, and it has not. And that's reality.

We’ve had the largest wage increase in years under Trump, and a new all time high in median household income.


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One thing I can't deny is that I'm having the best years of my life. I was doing great under Obama but I'm doing even better now.

Overall Trump isn't worth it but I can't say he ruined the economy around me, yet.

Gore lost when the economy was great. He should have been elected based on the economy and so should have Hillary. Trump and Republicans convinced the voters that things weren't great in 2015 but they were. I was doing great. Manufacturing was doing great. We 80 straight months of adding jobs to the economy, no steps backward.

Republicans denied the unemployment number was real and didn't care that the stock market was doing great. They said what about blue collar. Well? What about them? They are still struggling. Far from maga.

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Do you understand what drives a billionaire to keep working when they have more money than they will ever need? The thrill of the win.

And lets face it. Rich people think they should be paying less taxes and poor people should be paying more.

And rich people hate paying for social programs like medicaid. What possible reason would a rich billionaire have for not wanting to pay for medicaid?

 

[Oldstyle]

Not at all, those three liberals lost trillions of our dollars, while Donald J Trump lost a measly 1 billion dollars. Do you know the difference between 16 trillion and 1 billion?

16,000,000,000,000
…...….1,000,000,000

it is like 1 dollar to 16 thousand dollars. Big damn difference punk.

Obama debt was 80% at least averting another corrupt GOP depression and welfare and unemployment for the victims. And Trump just blew a trillion for nothing but a give away to the rich.

Yet Trump's economy is booming...fewer people are on assistance...and unemployment is at historic lows...none of which Barry EVER accomplished!

It's what Barry started. Thank you Obama!

Barack Obama oversaw the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression. His "stimulus" was so badly implemented that it created so few jobs his Administration had to start using "jobs created or saved" to hide how few jobs were created! The Fed had to keep interest rates at almost zero for the longest time in history because the economy under Obama was so weak for so long! THAT is what Barry "started"! Thanks for eight years of economic misery, Obama!

Sorry, buttbreath, but the CBO analyzed it & said it did what it was supposed to do,

Quit lying about this shit & concentrate on why we needed a stimulus in the first place: Republicans.

It was "supposed" to create so few new jobs that they needed to hide behind "jobs created or saved"? Would you like me to quote what Obama Administration experts SAID the stimulus would create for jobs before the money was approved? Do you really want to embarrass Barry further?

 

[Polishprince]

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

/——/ That's ridiculous. You’re grasping again.
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I love it that you can't imagine why a rich 70 year old white racist and sexist pig would be such a greedy jerk.

Because he's a Republican silly.

What makes you think that President Trump is a racist or a sexist at all? I just don't see it

 

[sealybobo]

Billionaires like Trump lose billions of dollars in business ventures like us peons lose tens of dollars by not shopping the best bargains.

And yet he lost more than any other individual in the country.

The biggest loser, deadbeat donnie. Only a trump cultist would even try to spin that as anything other than what it is: horrible businessman losing his ass...

And he figured out a way to go bankrupt and not pay all the people he hired to do the work.

Trump is a master of using and abusing the courts in his favor. Trump is proof the game is rigged.

A brief history of Trump's small-time swindles

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

 

[sealybobo]

The NYT got hold of “transcripts” from Trump’s tax returns from the late 80’s and early 90’s.

He lost a shit ton of money. A top money loser. One of America’s biggest losers.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

This is damning.

No it isn't anyone with a brain knows that when you risk a lot of money, you can lose or gain a lot of money. Nine out of ten businesses fail, that is why I don't begrudge those who make it big.

Dude simply lost a ton of money. Good businessmen make money.

Good businessmen come back from down times. Trump lost a ton of money...then he made a ton of money. Why you think that is "damning" mystifies me! Anyone who knows Trump's history knows that there was a real rough patch in the 80's and early 90's. It is what it is.

Trump has never made "a ton of money". None of Trump's business has ever been a success. All of his golf resorts are losing money Trump makes money except the East Coast courses where he spends his weekends. Trump makes money off his bankruptcies, his TV show, and laundering money for Russians. The rest of his businesses go broke.

Donald Trump is a conman.

You're rather amusing. If none of Trump's businesses had ever been a success...then his "brand" would not be worth millions to others. It is because he had a knack for promotion. He made his properties valuable because he understood what people desired and gave it to them. Have some of his businesses been flops? Oh, yeah...HUGE flops! But Trump has never been afraid of failing....most successful people aren't!

He hasn't suffered one bit from failing. The people he conned did.

During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

 

[Oldstyle]

We’ve had the largest wage increase in years under Trump, and a new all time high in median household income.


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One thing I can't deny is that I'm having the best years of my life. I was doing great under Obama but I'm doing even better now.

Overall Trump isn't worth it but I can't say he ruined the economy around me, yet.

Gore lost when the economy was great. He should have been elected based on the economy and so should have Hillary. Trump and Republicans convinced the voters that things weren't great in 2015 but they were. I was doing great. Manufacturing was doing great. We 80 straight months of adding jobs to the economy, no steps backward.

Republicans denied the unemployment number was real and didn't care that the stock market was doing great. They said what about blue collar. Well? What about them? They are still struggling. Far from maga.

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Do you understand what drives a billionaire to keep working when they have more money than they will ever need? The thrill of the win.

And lets face it. Rich people think they should be paying less taxes and poor people should be paying more.

And rich people hate paying for social programs like medicaid. What possible reason would a rich billionaire have for not wanting to pay for medicaid?

Oh, bullshit! Rich people are quite willing to pay taxes. They just don't think they should pay an outrageous amount in taxes. There is a difference. You liberals think the solution to all revenue problems is to raise taxes on the rich. The rich see that coming and they move their assets into tax shelters. So not only do you not create more revenue...you typically end up with LESS! The rich also don't think that what they worked for their entire lives and would like to leave to their children and grandchildren should be seized by the government. You liberals for some reason think that "society" is entitled to a big chunk of what someone has rightfully earned simply because they die!

 

[Polishprince]

Billionaires like Trump lose billions of dollars in business ventures like us peons lose tens of dollars by not shopping the best bargains.

And yet he lost more than any other individual in the country.

The biggest loser, deadbeat donnie. Only a trump cultist would even try to spin that as anything other than what it is: horrible businessman losing his ass...

And he figured out a way to go bankrupt and not pay all the people he hired to do the work.

Trump is a master of using and abusing the courts in his favor. Trump is proof the game is rigged.

A brief history of Trump's small-time swindles

USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

Did the Friel Company sue the Trump Organization over this? That's the relief. Trump opined that the cabinetry was not up to the standards that Trump saw were in the contract so they didn't pay the whole amount. They either were, or they weren't. That's what courts are for.

 

[sealybobo]

Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich.

For example, if he truly wanted illegals to go home he would do more work raids but he's not going to do that and so illegals are going to continue to keep wages down. That wall ain't gonna make a dent in wages. We need to go back to before Bush stopped doing work raids. Why did he stop? I'll tell you why. Because the GOP is run by corporations who hire illegals. Hiring illegals is one of the reasons the gap between the middle class and rich are widening. Think about it. If the rich are saving billions of dollars a year hiring illegals, the are costing the middle class billions a year.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

This is all Bush. He did this shit. Then 4 years later McCain and Romney were still telling us illegals were only here doing jobs Americans won't do.

Trump is a con man and you've been conned.

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

/——/ That's ridiculous. You’re grasping again.
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I love it that you can't imagine why a rich 70 year old white racist and sexist pig would be such a greedy jerk.

Because he's a Republican silly.

What makes you think that President Trump is a racist or a sexist at all? I just don't see it

Because people around him have said he's a racist.

And, grabbing women by their pussies.

And this:

Clinton raised a 1973 federal lawsuit brought against Donald Trump and his company for alleged racial discrimination at Trump housing developments in New York.

The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.

And that's what Trump does. He settles so he doesn't have to admit guilt.

Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement


In 2007, a Trump International Hotel & Tower was supposed to be built in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, but it never happened. Well, the tower was built but not as planned. Trump, who partnered with development company Bayrock Group, defaulted on his $139 million loan needed to build it.

Investors sued for fraud, and Trump eventually disentangled himself from the project. In partially built condition, the hotel was eventually sold and opened as Conrad Fort Lauderdale Beach.

The real story involves Trump’s apparent Russian connections. Some Bayrock execs had worked for the Soviet government, and their office (in Trump Tower) served as a meeting place between Trump and Russian contacts. All of this is still being worked out. But considering concerns about Russia these days, this case shows how the story dates back.

Next: Trump responds to a lawsuit with a $3 billion countersuit.

4. Trump banked on a loan

• What happened: Trump failed to pay a loan and was sued by Deutsche Bank.
• How much: $40 million

Few people in real estate escaped the 2008 housing market collapse unscathed. During that time, Deutsche Bank sued Trump for $40 million regarding a $640 million loan he took out to build the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. But, as we know, Trump likes to counterpunch. So he did — in the form of a $3 billion countersuit claiming his reputation was damaged.

The two parties eventually settled, with the loan being extended. Count this as another notch in the “great dealmaker’s” belt.

Trump is a con man who conned you.

 

[Oldstyle]

No it isn't anyone with a brain knows that when you risk a lot of money, you can lose or gain a lot of money. Nine out of ten businesses fail, that is why I don't begrudge those who make it big.

Dude simply lost a ton of money. Good businessmen make money.

Good businessmen come back from down times. Trump lost a ton of money...then he made a ton of money. Why you think that is "damning" mystifies me! Anyone who knows Trump's history knows that there was a real rough patch in the 80's and early 90's. It is what it is.

Trump has never made "a ton of money". None of Trump's business has ever been a success. All of his golf resorts are losing money Trump makes money except the East Coast courses where he spends his weekends. Trump makes money off his bankruptcies, his TV show, and laundering money for Russians. The rest of his businesses go broke.

Donald Trump is a conman.

You're rather amusing. If none of Trump's businesses had ever been a success...then his "brand" would not be worth millions to others. It is because he had a knack for promotion. He made his properties valuable because he understood what people desired and gave it to them. Have some of his businesses been flops? Oh, yeah...HUGE flops! But Trump has never been afraid of failing....most successful people aren't!

He hasn't suffered one bit from failing. The people he conned did.

During the Atlantic City casino boom in the 1980s, Philadelphia cabinet-builder Edward Friel Jr. landed a $400,000 contract to build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.

The family cabinetry business, founded in the 1940s by Edward’s father, finished its work in 1984 and submitted its final bill to the general contractor for the Trump Organization, the resort’s builder.

Edward’s son, Paul, who was the firm’s accountant, still remembers the amount of that bill more than 30 years later: $83,600. The reason: the money never came. “That began the demise of the Edward J. Friel Company… which has been around since my grandfather,” he said.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

The Trump group didn't pay the last bill because they claimed the work done wasn't satisfactory. Anyone who's ever dealt with subcontractors on a project could tell you horror stories about money paid and services not provided. The fact that the Trump group had a dispute with a subcontractor and didn't pay them all of the money they thought they had coming to them in no way changes the FACT that Donald Trump as a President has done more to protect American jobs than any President in recent memory! It's nothing more than a diversion from what IS important to something that isn't.

 

[Oldstyle]

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

/——/ That's ridiculous. You’re grasping again.
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I love it that you can't imagine why a rich 70 year old white racist and sexist pig would be such a greedy jerk.

Because he's a Republican silly.

What makes you think that President Trump is a racist or a sexist at all? I just don't see it

Because people around him have said he's a racist.

And, grabbing women by their pussies.

And this:

Clinton raised a 1973 federal lawsuit brought against Donald Trump and his company for alleged racial discrimination at Trump housing developments in New York.

The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.

And that's what Trump does. He settles so he doesn't have to admit guilt.

Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement


In 2007, a Trump International Hotel & Tower was supposed to be built in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, but it never happened. Well, the tower was built but not as planned. Trump, who partnered with development company Bayrock Group, defaulted on his $139 million loan needed to build it.

Investors sued for fraud, and Trump eventually disentangled himself from the project. In partially built condition, the hotel was eventually sold and opened as Conrad Fort Lauderdale Beach.

The real story involves Trump’s apparent Russian connections. Some Bayrock execs had worked for the Soviet government, and their office (in Trump Tower) served as a meeting place between Trump and Russian contacts. All of this is still being worked out. But considering concerns about Russia these days, this case shows how the story dates back.

Next: Trump responds to a lawsuit with a $3 billion countersuit.

4. Trump banked on a loan

• 
  
  
  • What happened: Trump failed to pay a loan and was sued by Deutsche Bank.
  • How much: $40 million

Few people in real estate escaped the 2008 housing market collapse unscathed. During that time, Deutsche Bank sued Trump for $40 million regarding a $640 million loan he took out to build the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. But, as we know, Trump likes to counterpunch. So he did — in the form of a $3 billion countersuit claiming his reputation was damaged.

The two parties eventually settled, with the loan being extended. Count this as another notch in the “great dealmaker’s” belt.

Trump is a con man who conned you.

So let me see how this works in "Lib Land"! If Trump settles...it's so he doesn't have to admit guilt? So what does it mean when Deutsche Bank also settles? You libs never have understood business and never will!

 

[Polishprince]

Clinton raised a 1973 federal lawsuit brought against Donald Trump and his company for alleged racial discrimination at Trump housing developments in New York.

The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.

The fair housing commission in 1973 was a new operation, that had to show its worth, so they sued the Trump Organization.

Donald Trump realized the complaints of discrimination were bullshit and objected to the settlement, but the elder Trump decided to make the settlement anyhow. Even though Fred knew that the charges were bullshit, it was still undoubtably the smart move to make the settlement. Had they fought and won, it would have cost as much as paying, and they would have received the enmity of NYC housing bureaucrats. Better to have a good relationship with the bureaucrats than a bad one where they are always looking to cause you problems.

Since them, 45 years ago, Donald J. Trump doesn't have any similar complaints against him. Clean record. BTW, in 1973, Fred was in charge, not Donald.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——-/. “Gimme a break. I'm not buying that. I think he's maga for the rich
Why would he do that? What possible motive would a 70 year old billionaire subject himself for the sole purpose of helping other rich people, most of whom he doesn’t even know?

Because like the rest of you he believes he and his buddies pay too much and the middle class/poor don't pay enough.

Why did Reagan do it? Why did Bush do it? Why? Because the Koch Brothers told them to. Because A.L.E.C. said to.

/——/ That's ridiculous. You’re grasping again.
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I love it that you can't imagine why a rich 70 year old white racist and sexist pig would be such a greedy jerk.

Because he's a Republican silly.

What makes you think that President Trump is a racist or a sexist at all? I just don't see it

Because people around him have said he's a racist.

And, grabbing women by their pussies.

And this:

Clinton raised a 1973 federal lawsuit brought against Donald Trump and his company for alleged racial discrimination at Trump housing developments in New York.

The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.

And that's what Trump does. He settles so he doesn't have to admit guilt.

Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement


In 2007, a Trump International Hotel & Tower was supposed to be built in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, but it never happened. Well, the tower was built but not as planned. Trump, who partnered with development company Bayrock Group, defaulted on his $139 million loan needed to build it.

Investors sued for fraud, and Trump eventually disentangled himself from the project. In partially built condition, the hotel was eventually sold and opened as Conrad Fort Lauderdale Beach.

The real story involves Trump’s apparent Russian connections. Some Bayrock execs had worked for the Soviet government, and their office (in Trump Tower) served as a meeting place between Trump and Russian contacts. All of this is still being worked out. But considering concerns about Russia these days, this case shows how the story dates back.

Next: Trump responds to a lawsuit with a $3 billion countersuit.

4. Trump banked on a loan

• 
  
  
  • What happened: Trump failed to pay a loan and was sued by Deutsche Bank.
  • How much: $40 million

Few people in real estate escaped the 2008 housing market collapse unscathed. During that time, Deutsche Bank sued Trump for $40 million regarding a $640 million loan he took out to build the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. But, as we know, Trump likes to counterpunch. So he did — in the form of a $3 billion countersuit claiming his reputation was damaged.

The two parties eventually settled, with the loan being extended. Count this as another notch in the “great dealmaker’s” belt.

Trump is a con man who conned you.

/—-/ You also settle because it’s cheaper than going to court and possibly losing more $$$.

 

[Faun]

Ha ha. What an idiot you are.

The federal minimum wage was last raised on July 24, 2009

Democrats didn't think anyone needed a tax cut. We need to build infrastructure and strengthen social security. A program you no doubt are going to heavily rely on.

The Minimum Wage has nothing to do with the Middle Class. Even if the minimum wages was more than doubled to $15, the recipients wouldn't be "middle class" People who only earn $15 an hour are scraping by and can't afford school tuition and orthodontic bills, the mainstays of Middle Class Financial life.

Which is why Republicans were right when the unemployment rate with Obama was so low, thanks to the stimulus that Trump takes credit for in his own historic unemployment lows, wages continue to be flat. Which is why people can't afford tuition and orthodontic bills. Unfortunately, as Republicans stated in the past with Obama, many of the jobs associated with the unemployment lows were minimum wage jobs. Are you fixing that problem with tax cuts to the wealthy? Obviously not. You yourself are telling us that people can't afford Orthodontic and school tuition and you are right. So, tell us how tax cuts going to the wealthy fixes that? Answer, it doesn't, and it has not. And that's reality.

We’ve had the largest wage increase in years under Trump, and a new all time high in median household income.


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One thing I can't deny is that I'm having the best years of my life. I was doing great under Obama but I'm doing even better now.

Overall Trump isn't worth it but I can't say he ruined the economy around me, yet.

Gore lost when the economy was great. He should have been elected based on the economy and so should have Hillary. Trump and Republicans convinced the voters that things weren't great in 2015 but they were. I was doing great. Manufacturing was doing great. We 80 straight months of adding jobs to the economy, no steps backward.

Republicans denied the unemployment number was real and didn't care that the stock market was doing great. They said what about blue collar. Well? What about them? They are still struggling. Far from maga.

/——/ I’ve made money no matter who was I office, and having Hildabeast as president would mean I’d leave my investment strategy untouched from Obozo. I voted for Trump because he is not part of the swamp and truly cares about MAGA.

Bullshit. Trump's only motivation to be president was to line his own pocket and the pockets of his family.