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The issue is that the wealthy receive more benefit than the poor which was my assertion that the wealthy receive more benefits from our government than the poor doI didn't say they aren't available....only that they benefit moreAll that is available to anyone
Anyone can get a patent the military protects all US interests abroad ( it's not supposed to but that's another thread) The legal system works for everyone and people are even provided free attorneys and everyone can use infrastructure to get around not just the "rich"
Why because they use them and other people don't
Whose fault is that?
The issue is that those benefits are available to anyone and everyone if they want to use them
The "rich" do not have exclusive rights to any of the benefits you listed they just use them
It's no different than you complaining that businesses use roads to move goods you can use roads to move goods too you just choose not to it's not anyone's fault but your own
That's a bullshit argument . We are supposed to be talking fairness. hey, you don't HAVE to make $1million a year if you don't want to pay the tax rate for that income !
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
So you can guarantee that wealth confiscation via the inheritance tax will trickle down to you in some way?Who earned the dollar? Not Binky and Chad. If you want to pay their share out of your hard-earned salary, that's sweet of you, but don't expect them to thank you while they're sitting around the pool drinking dirty martinis all day.
Joe sweats all day in a factory. He comes home and gives his children Binky and Chad a dollar to buy an ice cream.
You have absolutely no idea what I was talking about, do you?
What?
The issue is the number of self-styled "conservatives" who have no problem with American money being stashed overseas. None of you has ever adequately explained that. Feel free to try.
]Obama keeps pushing his "fair share" of taxes in his speeches. What is fair? Fair is a relative term which means different things to different people. There is no set rule for what one thinks is fair. Is it fair that over forty percent of potential taxpayers pay absolutley no taxes at all? They probably think that is fair. But, do people who pay all the taxes think that is fair? Probably not! Is it fair that people who make more the a million dollars a year pay the largest portion of the federal income taxes? You probably think it is fair but they think they are already paying more than their fair share. So, you can see this is a fruitless debate. It all comes down to there is no way for the government to raise people in lower income brackets to higher ones. Each individual can only do that themselves. Since government can not raise these people to higher levels, in their misguided thinking the only thing they can do is knock the higher income people down as far as they can through tax rates. That at best is un-American and at worst tyrannical government.
]Obama keeps pushing his "fair share" of taxes in his speeches. What is fair? Fair is a relative term which means different things to different people. There is no set rule for what one thinks is fair. Is it fair that over forty percent of potential taxpayers pay absolutley no taxes at all? They probably think that is fair. But, do people who pay all the taxes think that is fair? Probably not! Is it fair that people who make more the a million dollars a year pay the largest portion of the federal income taxes? You probably think it is fair but they think they are already paying more than their fair share. So, you can see this is a fruitless debate. It all comes down to there is no way for the government to raise people in lower income brackets to higher ones. Each individual can only do that themselves. Since government can not raise these people to higher levels, in their misguided thinking the only thing they can do is knock the higher income people down as far as they can through tax rates. That at best is un-American and at worst tyrannical government.
Count ALL taxes and fees, and EVERYONE pays 20-30% of income, with all the new wealth going to the richest, dupe. see sig for other Reaganist horrors.We have a flat tax?After 30 years of voodoo, we HAVE a flat tax- and the economy is collapsing...
Since when?
It was never intended that men or women to be taxed by the sweat of their brow and it has been ruled unconstitutional many times. I barter my time and labor in one hour increments in exchange for something of proportional value...why do you think the banking oligarchs are entitled 25 to 30 percent of it? Especially when nearly everything else involving commerce has a consumption tax as well? USA.INC and all it's subsidiaries are sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars in wealth that they try to keep hidden from us. Why are you ducking this?????? Are you so conditioned to believe that income tax is a necessary thing? If I mow someone's lawn for a twelve pack of beer, am I suppose to hold three to give to "da gubermint"??? You really have no clue as to how things actually work...no clue at all.A direct tax on labor is immoral.
Not all income comes from labor .
Listen up Francis , you have a feasible plan , fine . Let's hear it. But these threads are chick full of plans that can't get the job done .
The country can't run on smiles n sunshine .
Sure, "Francis"...it's not hard.
#1 Top to bottom audit of the Federal Reserve and publicly name the 13 families that are the shareholders. Then we nationalize it, tell the banking oligarchs that the debt belongs to USA.INC and not the people. Then we confiscate the ill-gotten wealth and put it into a trust.
#2 We then open up ALL Comprehension Annual Financial Reports and the hidden holdings of USA.INC and it's 185,000 subsidiaries. What you would find is that they are sitting on 145 TRILLION dollars in assets not just in U.S holdings but overseas corporations as well that pays them a hefty dividend every year. USA.INC and it's subsidiaries take in more wealth in a year than the entire GDP of the private sector. That money is also put into a trust and that is what will finance the nineteen essential services that USA.INC contracted for when they took over the "gubermint" in 1871 in a "for profit" venture.
#3 Then we nullify all the unfair "fair trade agreements" that has allowed a flood of cheap goods into this country made by what is basically slave labor and we place tariffs on it like we did before the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This would eliminate any taxation whatsoever and Allodial rights to property could be restored to the people.
#4 There are over 6,000 patents for everything from zero point energy to a better way of creating GOOD food that has been suppressed under the guise of "National Security". We release those and allow a TRUE free market to take them and run with them which would create MILLIONS of jobs without harming the environment at all.
#5 We bring every soldier back that has been working overseas protecting the interests of the multinational corporations and use them to secure our southern border. Only those that came here legally and signed the guest book should benefit from the changes...not those that came over here and flopped and sucked off of the public teat.
#6 We use our influence to bring about these changes in every other country that is under the thumb of the banking oligarchs and return the wealth and resources that were stolen from them back to the people.
#7 We put every globalist on trial for their crimes against humanity and confiscate their wealth. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers come immediately to mind, Queen Elizabeth, Queen Beatrice, Prince Phillip, etc, etc. Everyone that sits on the Committee of 300. It's a very tiny group of powerful elites that have foisted this debt slavery system upon at the expense of 100's of millions of lives and it's way past time that they paid.
BTW, there are millions of people that know the things I do...especially in Europe....America? Not so much but there are some. The tipping point is about to be reached and the point of no return is approaching unless people wake up as to what is being done to them.
You be crazy ! Thou I can see a couple of those .
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.
How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?
We all hate taxes, but be realistic .
It was never intended that men or women to be taxed by the sweat of their brow and it has been ruled unconstitutional many times. I barter my time and labor in one hour increments in exchange for something of proportional value...why do you think the banking oligarchs are entitled 25 to 30 percent of it? Especially when nearly everything else involving commerce has a consumption tax as well? USA.INC and all it's subsidiaries are sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars in wealth that they try to keep hidden from us. Why are you ducking this?????? Are you so conditioned to believe that income tax is a necessary thing? If I mow someone's lawn for a twelve pack of beer, am I suppose to hold three to give to "da gubermint"??? You really have no clue as to how things actually work...no clue at all.Not all income comes from labor .
Listen up Francis , you have a feasible plan , fine . Let's hear it. But these threads are chick full of plans that can't get the job done .
The country can't run on smiles n sunshine .
Sure, "Francis"...it's not hard.
#1 Top to bottom audit of the Federal Reserve and publicly name the 13 families that are the shareholders. Then we nationalize it, tell the banking oligarchs that the debt belongs to USA.INC and not the people. Then we confiscate the ill-gotten wealth and put it into a trust.
#2 We then open up ALL Comprehension Annual Financial Reports and the hidden holdings of USA.INC and it's 185,000 subsidiaries. What you would find is that they are sitting on 145 TRILLION dollars in assets not just in U.S holdings but overseas corporations as well that pays them a hefty dividend every year. USA.INC and it's subsidiaries take in more wealth in a year than the entire GDP of the private sector. That money is also put into a trust and that is what will finance the nineteen essential services that USA.INC contracted for when they took over the "gubermint" in 1871 in a "for profit" venture.
#3 Then we nullify all the unfair "fair trade agreements" that has allowed a flood of cheap goods into this country made by what is basically slave labor and we place tariffs on it like we did before the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This would eliminate any taxation whatsoever and Allodial rights to property could be restored to the people.
#4 There are over 6,000 patents for everything from zero point energy to a better way of creating GOOD food that has been suppressed under the guise of "National Security". We release those and allow a TRUE free market to take them and run with them which would create MILLIONS of jobs without harming the environment at all.
#5 We bring every soldier back that has been working overseas protecting the interests of the multinational corporations and use them to secure our southern border. Only those that came here legally and signed the guest book should benefit from the changes...not those that came over here and flopped and sucked off of the public teat.
#6 We use our influence to bring about these changes in every other country that is under the thumb of the banking oligarchs and return the wealth and resources that were stolen from them back to the people.
#7 We put every globalist on trial for their crimes against humanity and confiscate their wealth. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers come immediately to mind, Queen Elizabeth, Queen Beatrice, Prince Phillip, etc, etc. Everyone that sits on the Committee of 300. It's a very tiny group of powerful elites that have foisted this debt slavery system upon at the expense of 100's of millions of lives and it's way past time that they paid.
BTW, there are millions of people that know the things I do...especially in Europe....America? Not so much but there are some. The tipping point is about to be reached and the point of no return is approaching unless people wake up as to what is being done to them.
You be crazy ! Thou I can see a couple of those .
Timmy, I know my shit. I have spent thousands upon thousands of hours going over mind-numbing dull documents trying to get an understanding as to how we got to this place. I have spent thousands of hours googling the definitions of legal terms and Black's Law dictionary so I could put it in simple terms words. I have listened to documentaries and lectures from incredible scholars that had their one piece to the puzzle solved. The rabbit hole I have been down veers off in many different directions but I stuck with it because I care what happens to us...I was just born a warrior and a hater of injustice and have been that way ever since I was a little kid. Once I had my breakthrough, everything just fell totally into place and it finally made sense to me. I did the real heavy lifting and I am not done yet but I know a great deal. I know enough to say that we have been used and abused by a very small tight knit group of elitist scum that have used our sweat and labor to live the life of kings and queens and they are deathly afraid of people waking up....which is why they OWN the media. They never counted on the internet backfiring on them like it has and now they are trying to get that genie back in the bottle. I can't do this alone. I am just one small voice but if enough of us wake up together and throw off the programming about never questioning the authorities, we can change the course...if not, we are as good as dead.....at least a good portion of us because with the robotic age coming upon us, do you REALLY believe that they are going to subsidize half of the population to sit on their asses and produce more "worthless eaters" that have no practical function? Nope, not gonna happen. There will be a "culling of the herd" if they get their way....you can bank on it.
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.
How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?
We all hate taxes, but be realistic .
How?Same percent of income for everyone.
sounds good, lets get the flat tax with no exemptions going now.
Flat tax would collapse the U.S. economy.
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.
How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?
We all hate taxes, but be realistic .
10-15% flat tax......call it a day....
So you can guarantee that wealth confiscation via the inheritance tax will trickle down to you in some way?Who earned the dollar? Not Binky and Chad. If you want to pay their share out of your hard-earned salary, that's sweet of you, but don't expect them to thank you while they're sitting around the pool drinking dirty martinis all day.
Joe sweats all day in a factory. He comes home and gives his children Binky and Chad a dollar to buy an ice cream.
You have absolutely no idea what I was talking about, do you?
What?
The issue is the number of self-styled "conservatives" who have no problem with American money being stashed overseas. None of you has ever adequately explained that. Feel free to try.
Why can't a person stash his property wherever he wishes? What business is it of yours?
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.
How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?
We all hate taxes, but be realistic .
I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.
U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !
The worlds a little more complicated now a days .
Even for you, that was incredibly lame.
This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.
We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.
A direct tax on labor is immoral.
All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.
How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?
We all hate taxes, but be realistic .
I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.
It's not fair when everyone in the country is paying 20-30% of income, 95% of new wealth goes to the richest, and CEOs see no reason not to earn 300x as much as regular workers, and the middle class is going to hell.
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You're such a fucking retard, franco hater dupe bot.
What Is "Fair Share of Taxes"?
"fair share of taxes
is a bullshit socialist fascist term
in the US the only VALID taxes are those CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) imposed.
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So you can guarantee that wealth confiscation via the inheritance tax will trickle down to you in some way?Joe sweats all day in a factory. He comes home and gives his children Binky and Chad a dollar to buy an ice cream.
You have absolutely no idea what I was talking about, do you?
What?
The issue is the number of self-styled "conservatives" who have no problem with American money being stashed overseas. None of you has ever adequately explained that. Feel free to try.
Why can't a person stash his property wherever he wishes? What business is it of yours?
We're not talking about "property." He can moor his yacht wherever he's willing to pay the moorage fees. See the difference there?
