What Is "Fair Share of Taxes"?

[Centinel]

Even for you, that was incredibly lame.

This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.

We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.

A direct tax on labor is immoral.

All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.

How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?

We all hate taxes, but be realistic .

I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

 

[Contumacious]

What Is "Fair Share of Taxes"?

"fair share of taxes

is a bullshit socialist fascist term

in the US the only VALID taxes are those CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) imposed.


.

How many trust fund babies were offshoring Grandaddy's money in 1787?

In 1787 fedgov was not yet a gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.


.

 

[Centinel]

Even for you, that was incredibly lame.

This nation did fine without income taxes for over half of it's existence.

We certainly can survive without taxing the income of people. A consumption tax is far more fair, the rich whom you are conditioned to spew hatred at would pay far more, as they buy more.

A direct tax on labor is immoral.

All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.

How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?

We all hate taxes, but be realistic .

I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.

Unless they're trust fund babies.

You have a problem with parents giving their property to their children? What business of yours is it who people give their money to?

 

[Timmy]

A direct tax on labor is immoral.

All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.

How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?

We all hate taxes, but be realistic .

I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

 

[bripat9643]

Ok. But how u gonna pay for stuff?

How did we prior to 1913?

U want us to live like 1913 ? Whale oil lamps for everyone !

The worlds a little more complicated now a days .

Yeah, because if we get rid of the income tax that means electric lighting will disappear.

You're a special kind of stupid, ya know it?

 

[bripat9643]

All that is available to anyone

Anyone can get a patent the military protects all US interests abroad ( it's not supposed to but that's another thread) The legal system works for everyone and people are even provided free attorneys and everyone can use infrastructure to get around not just the "rich"

I didn't say they aren't available....only that they benefit more

Why because they use them and other people don't

Whose fault is that?

The issue is that the wealthy receive more benefit than the poor which was my assertion that the wealthy receive more benefits from our government than the poor do

The issue is that those benefits are available to anyone and everyone if they want to use them

The "rich" do not have exclusive rights to any of the benefits you listed they just use them

It's no different than you complaining that businesses use roads to move goods you can use roads to move goods too you just choose not to it's not anyone's fault but your own

That's a bullshit argument . We are supposed to be talking fairness. hey, you don't HAVE to make $1million a year if you don't want to pay the tax rate for that income !

Yeah, and you don't have to hand your wallet to a mugger if you don't mind taking a bullet in the stomach.

 

[Centinel]

All tax is immoral. It is the taking of another's property by force.

How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?

We all hate taxes, but be realistic .

I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

 

[Timmy]

What Is "Fair Share of Taxes"?

"fair share of taxes

is a bullshit socialist fascist term

in the US the only VALID taxes are those CONSTITUTIONALLY (1787) imposed.


.

How many trust fund babies were offshoring Grandaddy's money in 1787?

In 1787 fedgov was not yet a gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.


.

Nuke subs were a lot cheaper back then.

 

[LeftofLeft]

It's not fair when everyone in the country is paying 20-30% of income, 95% of new wealth goes to the richest, and CEOs see no reason not to earn 300x as much as regular workers, and the middle class is going to hell.

Economic policies rooted in class envy simply lead to a true locked in 1%. How fair is that? What are you defining as "new wealth?" While you are beating up the CEO and 300X as much as what you define as regular workers, would you mandate that a CEO be capped at an artificially infused pay rate? Compared to the regular worker, a CEO has 300X the accountability. CEOs don't perform, they get removed.

The Middle Class is going to hell not because of CEOs, but because of tax policies that treat the Middle Class as the Wealthy you demonize.

 

[Timmy]

How's the country gonna run? On smiles n sunshine?

We all hate taxes, but be realistic .

I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

Sure they do . They are per diem. Get paid to train also.

Good luck running the country on freebies .

 

[francoHFW]

It's not fair when everyone in the country is paying 20-30% of income, 95% of new wealth goes to the richest, and CEOs see no reason not to earn 300x as much as regular workers, and the middle class is going to hell.

Economic policies rooted in class envy simply lead to a true locked in 1%. How fair is that? What are you defining as "new wealth?" While you are beating up the CEO and 300X as much as what you define as regular workers, would you mandate that a CEO be capped at an artificially infused pay rate? Compared to the regular worker, a CEO has 300X the accountability. CEOs don't perform, they get removed.

The Middle Class is going to hell not because of CEOs, but because of tax policies that treat the Middle Class as the Wealthy you demonize.

You're right, it's Reaganist tax policy that screws the middle class. And high top rates kept CEOs from insane money. All defended to the death by your heroes, dupe.

 

[Centinel]

I'm not sure what you mean by "run". But typically, people engage in productive activities and trade to acquire the things they desire.

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

Sure they do . They are per diem. Get paid to train also.

Good luck running the country on freebies .

I don't want to run the country. I think that would be you.

 

[francoHFW]

Who earned the dollar? Not Binky and Chad. If you want to pay their share out of your hard-earned salary, that's sweet of you, but don't expect them to thank you while they're sitting around the pool drinking dirty martinis all day.

Joe sweats all day in a factory. He comes home and gives his children Binky and Chad a dollar to buy an ice cream.

You have absolutely no idea what I was talking about, do you?

So you can guarantee that wealth confiscation via the inheritance tax will trickle down to you in some way?

What?

The issue is the number of self-styled "conservatives" who have no problem with American money being stashed overseas. None of you has ever adequately explained that. Feel free to try.

Why can't a person stash his property wherever he wishes? What business is it of yours?

What the feq is wrong with you GOP dupes anyway. It's the duty of citizens to take an interest in what's going on. And you people have no clue and don't care. Malevolent, ignorant hate forever...

 

[francoHFW]

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

Sure they do . They are per diem. Get paid to train also.

Good luck running the country on freebies .

I don't want to run the country. I think that would be you.

Educated citizens are supposed to run a democracy/republic...ay caramba.

 

[Timmy]

I mean run. Like the government . Take your local police department. They gonna work for free?

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

Sure they do . They are per diem. Get paid to train also.

Good luck running the country on freebies .

I don't want to run the country. I think that would be you.

What do u want ? Anarchy ?

 

[Dale Smith]

It was never intended that men or women to be taxed by the sweat of their brow and it has been ruled unconstitutional many times. I barter my time and labor in one hour increments in exchange for something of proportional value...why do you think the banking oligarchs are entitled 25 to 30 percent of it? Especially when nearly everything else involving commerce has a consumption tax as well? USA.INC and all it's subsidiaries are sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars in wealth that they try to keep hidden from us. Why are you ducking this?????? Are you so conditioned to believe that income tax is a necessary thing? If I mow someone's lawn for a twelve pack of beer, am I suppose to hold three to give to "da gubermint"??? You really have no clue as to how things actually work...no clue at all.

Listen up Francis , you have a feasible plan , fine . Let's hear it. But these threads are chick full of plans that can't get the job done .

The country can't run on smiles n sunshine .

Sure, "Francis"...it's not hard.

#1 Top to bottom audit of the Federal Reserve and publicly name the 13 families that are the shareholders. Then we nationalize it, tell the banking oligarchs that the debt belongs to USA.INC and not the people. Then we confiscate the ill-gotten wealth and put it into a trust.
#2 We then open up ALL Comprehension Annual Financial Reports and the hidden holdings of USA.INC and it's 185,000 subsidiaries. What you would find is that they are sitting on 145 TRILLION dollars in assets not just in U.S holdings but overseas corporations as well that pays them a hefty dividend every year. USA.INC and it's subsidiaries take in more wealth in a year than the entire GDP of the private sector. That money is also put into a trust and that is what will finance the nineteen essential services that USA.INC contracted for when they took over the "gubermint" in 1871 in a "for profit" venture.
#3 Then we nullify all the unfair "fair trade agreements" that has allowed a flood of cheap goods into this country made by what is basically slave labor and we place tariffs on it like we did before the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This would eliminate any taxation whatsoever and Allodial rights to property could be restored to the people.
#4 There are over 6,000 patents for everything from zero point energy to a better way of creating GOOD food that has been suppressed under the guise of "National Security". We release those and allow a TRUE free market to take them and run with them which would create MILLIONS of jobs without harming the environment at all.
#5 We bring every soldier back that has been working overseas protecting the interests of the multinational corporations and use them to secure our southern border. Only those that came here legally and signed the guest book should benefit from the changes...not those that came over here and flopped and sucked off of the public teat.
#6 We use our influence to bring about these changes in every other country that is under the thumb of the banking oligarchs and return the wealth and resources that were stolen from them back to the people.
#7 We put every globalist on trial for their crimes against humanity and confiscate their wealth. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers come immediately to mind, Queen Elizabeth, Queen Beatrice, Prince Phillip, etc, etc. Everyone that sits on the Committee of 300. It's a very tiny group of powerful elites that have foisted this debt slavery system upon at the expense of 100's of millions of lives and it's way past time that they paid.

BTW, there are millions of people that know the things I do...especially in Europe....America? Not so much but there are some. The tipping point is about to be reached and the point of no return is approaching unless people wake up as to what is being done to them.

You be crazy ! Thou I can see a couple of those .

Timmy, I know my shit. I have spent thousands upon thousands of hours going over mind-numbing dull documents trying to get an understanding as to how we got to this place. I have spent thousands of hours googling the definitions of legal terms and Black's Law dictionary so I could put it in simple terms words. I have listened to documentaries and lectures from incredible scholars that had their one piece to the puzzle solved. The rabbit hole I have been down veers off in many different directions but I stuck with it because I care what happens to us...I was just born a warrior and a hater of injustice and have been that way ever since I was a little kid. Once I had my breakthrough, everything just fell totally into place and it finally made sense to me. I did the real heavy lifting and I am not done yet but I know a great deal. I know enough to say that we have been used and abused by a very small tight knit group of elitist scum that have used our sweat and labor to live the life of kings and queens and they are deathly afraid of people waking up....which is why they OWN the media. They never counted on the internet backfiring on them like it has and now they are trying to get that genie back in the bottle. I can't do this alone. I am just one small voice but if enough of us wake up together and throw off the programming about never questioning the authorities, we can change the course...if not, we are as good as dead.....at least a good portion of us because with the robotic age coming upon us, do you REALLY believe that they are going to subsidize half of the population to sit on their asses and produce more "worthless eaters" that have no practical function? Nope, not gonna happen. There will be a "culling of the herd" if they get their way....you can bank on it.

I gotta say dale. Your stuff shows up on the kooky meter.

Truth is stranger than fiction and I have to admit, had someone posted the things I have when I was still in the dark? I would have the same reaction so no offense is taken. I had people try and wake me up that things were not as they seemed but I was stuck in the left versus right paradigm...stuck in the matrix and I wasn't willing to budge. It was the revelations of Eric Snowden that the Patriot Act was written well in advance of 9/11 and the security apparatus for a spy grid was in place beforehand that shook me out of my complacency. When I realized that everything I believed in had been a lie...I suffered from depression to the point that I could not eat or sleep for a solid month. Fortunately I had a boss that knew what I was going through and he cut me all kinds of slack. He said it's a helluva thing to learn that everything you believed in was a lie but to hang in there and that he had my back. I got over it and I went from being depressed to being so fucking pissed that I became an information junkie. I gave my TV away which was hard as hell to do because I was so addicted to having that noise in the background that I couldn't fall asleep without it...then I realized that it was part of the problem and that it was nothing but a propaganda tool....they call it "program" for a reason.

So down the rabbit hole I went with a conviction and a desire for truth that burns even unto this day. I bought an I-Pod so I could download lectures and documentaries and listen to them at work while I repaired machines. I jot down notes so I can do the vetting of information when I get home. I have become an expert at finding real information that is out there readily available. I started sharing some of the information i have learned on other blog sites like the Yahoo news boards especially about the Federal Reserve only to find that my work would be deleted. I have had over 2,000 posts deleted by Yahoo for posting about the Fed so I know that I am hitting too close to the truth. All I can say to you is that you will need your own "Come to Jesus" understanding of how things really are and they are not what you think. I can only do what I can to try and wake people up as to what has been done to them. As someone that has spent so much time learning the things I have? It's so easy for me to see but I know it is hard for others. There were many that tried to wake me up but I shunned them....wish I could find them now and tell them that they were right. Good on ya......if you decide to take the red pill and want some direction, all you need to do is ask.

 

[Centinel]

Joe sweats all day in a factory. He comes home and gives his children Binky and Chad a dollar to buy an ice cream.

You have absolutely no idea what I was talking about, do you?

So you can guarantee that wealth confiscation via the inheritance tax will trickle down to you in some way?

What?

The issue is the number of self-styled "conservatives" who have no problem with American money being stashed overseas. None of you has ever adequately explained that. Feel free to try.

Why can't a person stash his property wherever he wishes? What business is it of yours?

What the feq is wrong with you GOP dupes anyway. It's the duty of citizens to take an interest in what's going on.

GOP dupes? Presume much?

And you people have no clue and don't care. Malevolent, ignorant hate forever...

It doesn't hurt anyone if someone stashes his property somewhere. Who cares? The only people who would care are those who want to steal his property.

 

[Centinel]

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

Sure they do . They are per diem. Get paid to train also.

Good luck running the country on freebies .

I don't want to run the country. I think that would be you.

Educated citizens are supposed to run a democracy/republic...ay caramba.

Here's an idea. Run your own life and leave other people alone.

 

[Centinel]

You mean like volunteer firefighters do?

Volunteer fire fighters get paid Ya know .

No they don't. Do you even know any volunteer firefighters?

If you want security guards or detectives, then you should pay for the services you want to purchase. I may or may not want their services, but that's my decision, not yours. Pay for what you want, and I'll pay for what I want.

Sure they do . They are per diem. Get paid to train also.

Good luck running the country on freebies .

I don't want to run the country. I think that would be you.

What do u want ? Anarchy ?

What is anarchy?

 

[francoHFW]

It was never intended that men or women to be taxed by the sweat of their brow and it has been ruled unconstitutional many times. I barter my time and labor in one hour increments in exchange for something of proportional value...why do you think the banking oligarchs are entitled 25 to 30 percent of it? Especially when nearly everything else involving commerce has a consumption tax as well? USA.INC and all it's subsidiaries are sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars in wealth that they try to keep hidden from us. Why are you ducking this?????? Are you so conditioned to believe that income tax is a necessary thing? If I mow someone's lawn for a twelve pack of beer, am I suppose to hold three to give to "da gubermint"??? You really have no clue as to how things actually work...no clue at all.

Listen up Francis , you have a feasible plan , fine . Let's hear it. But these threads are chick full of plans that can't get the job done .

The country can't run on smiles n sunshine .

Sure, "Francis"...it's not hard.

#1 Top to bottom audit of the Federal Reserve and publicly name the 13 families that are the shareholders. Then we nationalize it, tell the banking oligarchs that the debt belongs to USA.INC and not the people. Then we confiscate the ill-gotten wealth and put it into a trust.
#2 We then open up ALL Comprehension Annual Financial Reports and the hidden holdings of USA.INC and it's 185,000 subsidiaries. What you would find is that they are sitting on 145 TRILLION dollars in assets not just in U.S holdings but overseas corporations as well that pays them a hefty dividend every year. USA.INC and it's subsidiaries take in more wealth in a year than the entire GDP of the private sector. That money is also put into a trust and that is what will finance the nineteen essential services that USA.INC contracted for when they took over the "gubermint" in 1871 in a "for profit" venture.
#3 Then we nullify all the unfair "fair trade agreements" that has allowed a flood of cheap goods into this country made by what is basically slave labor and we place tariffs on it like we did before the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This would eliminate any taxation whatsoever and Allodial rights to property could be restored to the people.
#4 There are over 6,000 patents for everything from zero point energy to a better way of creating GOOD food that has been suppressed under the guise of "National Security". We release those and allow a TRUE free market to take them and run with them which would create MILLIONS of jobs without harming the environment at all.
#5 We bring every soldier back that has been working overseas protecting the interests of the multinational corporations and use them to secure our southern border. Only those that came here legally and signed the guest book should benefit from the changes...not those that came over here and flopped and sucked off of the public teat.
#6 We use our influence to bring about these changes in every other country that is under the thumb of the banking oligarchs and return the wealth and resources that were stolen from them back to the people.
#7 We put every globalist on trial for their crimes against humanity and confiscate their wealth. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers come immediately to mind, Queen Elizabeth, Queen Beatrice, Prince Phillip, etc, etc. Everyone that sits on the Committee of 300. It's a very tiny group of powerful elites that have foisted this debt slavery system upon at the expense of 100's of millions of lives and it's way past time that they paid.

BTW, there are millions of people that know the things I do...especially in Europe....America? Not so much but there are some. The tipping point is about to be reached and the point of no return is approaching unless people wake up as to what is being done to them.

You be crazy ! Thou I can see a couple of those .

Timmy, I know my shit. I have spent thousands upon thousands of hours going over mind-numbing dull documents trying to get an understanding as to how we got to this place. I have spent thousands of hours googling the definitions of legal terms and Black's Law dictionary so I could put it in simple terms words. I have listened to documentaries and lectures from incredible scholars that had their one piece to the puzzle solved. The rabbit hole I have been down veers off in many different directions but I stuck with it because I care what happens to us...I was just born a warrior and a hater of injustice and have been that way ever since I was a little kid. Once I had my breakthrough, everything just fell totally into place and it finally made sense to me. I did the real heavy lifting and I am not done yet but I know a great deal. I know enough to say that we have been used and abused by a very small tight knit group of elitist scum that have used our sweat and labor to live the life of kings and queens and they are deathly afraid of people waking up....which is why they OWN the media. They never counted on the internet backfiring on them like it has and now they are trying to get that genie back in the bottle. I can't do this alone. I am just one small voice but if enough of us wake up together and throw off the programming about never questioning the authorities, we can change the course...if not, we are as good as dead.....at least a good portion of us because with the robotic age coming upon us, do you REALLY believe that they are going to subsidize half of the population to sit on their asses and produce more "worthless eaters" that have no practical function? Nope, not gonna happen. There will be a "culling of the herd" if they get their way....you can bank on it.

I gotta say dale. Your stuff shows up on the kooky meter.

He's parroting an obscure RW propaganda....What he's missing is that the elite ripping off the world are overwhelmingly RW/GOP.