Which "side" of the "fence" are you on?

[Votto]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
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No one is divided against hate.

American stands united against hate.



KKK/ Alt-right abuse the rights we give them, twist and bend civil rights into weapons against us -- just like Westboro and NAMBLA, they use 'free speech' to spew vile hate. That is sick behavior. That's the price of freedom. We carry that cross because we are better than them.

Should we then be intolerant of the Black Lives Matter group for openly advocating the killing of police officers?



Funny, this does not seem to get the same media attention as hateful whitey groups.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
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I've not seen any of the coverage of this story at all. Been busy all weekend but I suspect the two sides you described are innacurate descriptions at best.
As too the violent people? Fuck them. Arrest & charge them. A dirtbag is a dirtbag no matter affiliation

Predictably, it's been a mirror image of the softball field shooting.

One side is screaming, the other is deflecting.
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Who deflected after Steve Scalise was shot?

 

[martybegan]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
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But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
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It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

You promote the zealots by labeling people who are not zealots.....zealots. You try so hard to portray good folks who won't tolerate hate as hatemongers that you make life easy for the actual hatemongers. You give them cover.

It's what you do.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

Easy to say if you approach the matter from a position of privilege. Empathy. Try it sometime.

 

[iceberg]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

at times, situationally, i believe we're on both sides of that sort of fence. if something means a lot to us, much more likely to be the one standing up for what we believe in.

which is what both sides are doing in the most basic way.

the left has been egging this on at least ever since trump was elected. BLM has been openly beating up white people and telling them they deserve it for white treatments of blacks.

how long will that continue before you get what happened this last weekend? i guess we found out. rest assured both sides need to find a better way to communicate and stop the hating but next up will be "they started it" - even as i say the left has been at this for most of this year.

this problem has been going on for a lot more than just this year. the right has had their turn in history instigating also. it's being human, not left or right based.

human.

there are people in here i do not agree with, strongly at times, but i respect how they carry themselves usually and *these* are the people i wind up enjoying my conversations with the most. it's where that search for common ground begins.

it's as if we need some form of "emotional insurance" for when times get bad we'll be ok. these days it's hate. hate *it* enough and put all your energy into resistance and you have the wondermous triumphs of shia lebeouf and webcams to remind the world of the depths of your convictions.

or insanity as most actually see it.

if one side is allowed to parade their hate, you either allow all sides to do it, or you shut it down for all sides. but this selective rage is only going to increase the rage overall.

i've said for a long long time you got 10% of the idiots on both sides shouting and the 80% if the middle needs to be the parents here and scream back SHUT THE FUCK UP and stop pandering to their "I must be right" bullshit.

if we want to ever find a better place in this world, we have to accept where we are and figure out a joint path back out.

 

[martybegan]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

Easy to say if you approach the matter from a position of privilege. Empathy. Try it sometime.

Take your privilege bullshit and cram it up your ass. That's just another method of getting undeserved and unearned leverage in a conversation, and I don't play into that.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

at times, situationally, i believe we're on both sides of that sort of fence. if something means a lot to us, much more likely to be the one standing up for what we believe in.

which is what both sides are doing in the most basic way.

the left has been egging this on at least ever since trump was elected. BLM has been openly beating up white people and telling them they deserve it for white treatments of blacks.

how long will that continue before you get what happened this last weekend? i guess we found out. rest assured both sides need to find a better way to communicate and stop the hating but next up will be "they started it" - even as i say the left has been at this for most of this year.

this problem has been going on for a lot more than just this year. the right has had their turn in history instigating also. it's being human, not left or right based.

human.

there are people in here i do not agree with, strongly at times, but i respect how they carry themselves usually and *these* are the people i wind up enjoying my conversations with the most. it's where that search for common ground begins.

it's as if we need some form of "emotional insurance" for when times get bad we'll be ok. these days it's hate. hate *it* enough and put all your energy into resistance and you have the wondermous triumphs of shia lebeouf and webcams to remind the world of the depths of your convictions.

or insanity as most actually see it.

if one side is allowed to parade their hate, you either allow all sides to do it, or you shut it down for all sides. but this selective rage is only going to increase the rage overall.

i've said for a long long time you got 10% of the idiots on both sides shouting and the 80% if the middle needs to be the parents here and scream back SHUT THE FUCK UP and stop pandering to their "I must be right" bullshit.

if we want to ever find a better place in this world, we have to accept where we are and figure out a joint path back out.

You just blamed "the left" and then suggested that we stop trying to blame the other side for shit. Well done.

Do you know that there has never been a BLM march or rally that did not include a large number of white people? The idea that BLM goes around beating up white people is fiction.

 

[JoeB131]

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

I imagine someone saying htat in Germany in 1932.

 

[LoneLaugher]

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

Easy to say if you approach the matter from a position of privilege. Empathy. Try it sometime.

Take your privilege bullshit and cram it up your ass. That's just another method of getting undeserved and unearned leverage in a conversation, and I don't play into that.

Of course you don't. You are blind to it. I understand.

 

[Si modo]

You just blamed "the left" and then suggested that we stop trying to blame the other side for shit. Well done.

Do you know that there has never been a BLM march or rally that did not include a large number of white people? The idea that BLM goes around beating up white people is fiction.

They just sneak up on cops and assassinate them.

 

[JoeB131]

Take your privilege bullshit and cram it up your ass. That's just another method of getting undeserved and unearned leverage in a conversation, and I don't play into that.

It would be nice if we created a place where white people like Marty could see what it's like to be a black person or a gay person for a week. Check your Privilege.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You just blamed "the left" and then suggested that we stop trying to blame the other side for shit. Well done.

Do you know that there has never been a BLM march or rally that did not include a large number of white people? The idea that BLM goes around beating up white people is fiction.

They just sneak up on cops and assassinate them.

Nope. Try again.

 

[JoeB131]

They just sneak up on cops and assassinate them.

Again, 1200 Americans a year are killed by police.
Criminals kill maybe 60 cops a year.

Who is assassinating who here?

 

[Si modo]

You just blamed "the left" and then suggested that we stop trying to blame the other side for shit. Well done.

Do you know that there has never been a BLM march or rally that did not include a large number of white people? The idea that BLM goes around beating up white people is fiction.

They just sneak up on cops and assassinate them.

Nope. Try again.

Facts are painful sometimes.

You'll get over it.

 

[Mac1958]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

Yep. They deserve to be ignored, and what this shit does is attract more of them to the "cause".

Zealots don't think stuff through. It's what makes them zealots.
.

 

[martybegan]

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

I imagine someone saying htat in Germany in 1932.

Wow, going Godwin so quickly?

The difference is the Nazi party was polling as a major party, and won lots of seats. Our current crop of Nazi's can't even win local elections.

Unless of course our current model of politics continues and people begin to think they have to choose the "lesser" of two evils.

 

[martybegan]

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

Easy to say if you approach the matter from a position of privilege. Empathy. Try it sometime.

Take your privilege bullshit and cram it up your ass. That's just another method of getting undeserved and unearned leverage in a conversation, and I don't play into that.

Of course you don't. You are blind to it. I understand.

Not blind, just dismissive. Again, it's nothing more than a method of quashing the validity of another's opinion, and is really just a pathetic coping mechanism used by people of weaker will and fortitude.

 

[Mac1958]

i've said for a long long time you got 10% of the idiots on both sides shouting and the 80% if the middle needs to be the parents here and scream back SHUT THE FUCK UP and stop pandering to their "I must be right" bullshit.

What concerns me is that I'm beginning to think this is no longer an 80/20 situation.

This madness is permeating our culture now. It's everywhere.

The majority is still sane and decent and reasonable. But I fear the numbers have deteriorated.
.

 

[martybegan]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

It's actually quite simple IGNORE THEM. Don't counter-protest their marches, and for God's sake don't try to shut down their marches violently.

Yep. They deserve to be ignored, and what this shit does is attract more of them to the "cause".

Zealots don't think stuff through. It's what makes them zealots.
.

A lot of it also has to do with the narcissism found in so many zealots.