Why are the Alt Right, The White Nationalist and White Supremacists so happy

[bripat9643]

Anyone who stands against open borders, will be called a racist not matter how politely he phrases it.

Everyone I knew stand against borders like myself but it depends on how you interpret or express yourself Correll. I can name lots of members here that are just pure racist not only against Mexicans but other minorities. This even Trump became a candidate.

It does not matter how you express yourself.

Slandering and smearing their enemies works better for the Left than honestly debating the issue.


BUILD THE WALL. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. FUCK THE EMPLOYERS.

Stepping back from the politics of this, if possible, and looking at what that would look like:

The cost of doing business would necessarily skyrocket in the food/agricultural industry, and we'd see an immediate and pretty spectacular hike in the price of both the food itself and associated industries. So I hope that, while we're gleefully cleaning out the fields of illegals and replacing them with much higher-salaried workers with benefits, we're ready for this within our macroeconomic system. Currently, we are not.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing. We'd look at lot more like Europe, ironically. I have a brother who lives in England, and he visited recently. He was stunned by the size of meal portions, saying "this would feed three of us". He's not poor or emaciated or anything. They just have less stuff over there, including food at meals. And they're perfectly content.
.

They actually are poorer. Having less stuff is what it means to be poor. I also dispute your theory that prices will skyrocket. A lot of agriculture is highly mechanized. There are only a few crops that need to be harvested by hand, and engineers are already working on machines to handle these crops as well. The produce section is the only place you would see a significant increase in prices. A lot of our produce comes from overseas, and cutting immigration would have no effect here.

It is not a theory. It's a proven fact that prices will skyrocket not only on agricultural products but meat, poultry, fisheries, janitorial services, home care services, convalescence home etc. if you get rid of these people.
It's also a proven facts that Americans especially whites or blacks will not take over these jobs.

Bullshit. The price of meat and poultry will not increase a jot since few jobs related to these products are done by illegals.

 

[Norman]

Why are the Alt Right, The White Nationalist and White Supremacists so happy that Trump was elected President.
Anti-Trumpsters feel it is because Trump espouses their racist philosophies.

Why do pro-Trumpsters feel these groups are so happy about Trump being elected President.

Because a nationalist candidate won, duh...

The alt-right are mostly nationalists, with some nazis thrown in.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Why are the Alt Right, The White Nationalist and White Supremacists so happy that Trump was elected President.
Anti-Trumpsters feel it is because Trump espouses their racist philosophies.

Why do pro-Trumpsters feel these groups are so happy about Trump being elected President.

Because a nationalist candidate won, duh...

The alt-right are mostly nationalists, with some nazis thrown in.

The alt-left are mostly socialists, with some fascists thrown in.

 

[Correll]

There are not enough "aryan assholes" to make a difference.


The vast majority of what the Left calls racism is really just White people NOT wallowing in White Guilt.

Or complete bullshit.

I agree that the illegal immigrants in this country who have been convicted of crimes need to go and it is not "racist" to want that. I agree that the government needs to protect us from radical Islamic terrorists, and that is not racist, either. Trump doesn't have a very good way of explaining stuff, or he's afraid he'll lose us if he puts too fine a point on it, I don't know which. But neither of those stances is racist and shouldn't be called racist.

Anyone who stands against open borders, will be called a racist not matter how politely he phrases it.

Everyone I knew stand against borders like myself but it depends on how you interpret or express yourself Correll. I can name lots of members here that are just pure racist not only against Mexicans but other minorities. This even Trump became a candidate.

It does not matter how you express yourself.

Slandering and smearing their enemies works better for the Left than honestly debating the issue.


BUILD THE WALL. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. FUCK THE EMPLOYERS.

Are you mad bro?
Im waiting for the great beautiful WALL and force deportation.
And the rest of those wonderful promises.

No, and so am I.

 

[Correll]

Look at the freaking political map. Does the angry hate filled hypocrite left allege that the entire freaking Country that didn't vote for the Hildabeast consists of "white supremacists"? How sad it must be for lefties when they lose an election and turn it into a freaking psychobabble crying jag.

The KKK and other racist white supremacists groups would not be celebrating like this if Hillary was President-Elect.

That's just a simple fucking fact and Repugs like you living in denial and burying your head in the sand doesn't change that fact.

Who told you the KKK is celebrating?

 

[Correll]

Anyone who stands against open borders, will be called a racist not matter how politely he phrases it.

Everyone I knew stand against borders like myself but it depends on how you interpret or express yourself Correll. I can name lots of members here that are just pure racist not only against Mexicans but other minorities. This even Trump became a candidate.

It does not matter how you express yourself.

Slandering and smearing their enemies works better for the Left than honestly debating the issue.


BUILD THE WALL. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. FUCK THE EMPLOYERS.

Stepping back from the politics of this, if possible, and looking at what that would look like:

The cost of doing business would necessarily skyrocket in the food/agricultural industry, and we'd see an immediate and pretty spectacular hike in the price of both the food itself and associated industries. So I hope that, while we're gleefully cleaning out the fields of illegals and replacing them with much higher-salaried workers with benefits, we're ready for this within our macroeconomic system. Currently, we are not.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing. We'd look at lot more like Europe, ironically. I have a brother who lives in England, and he visited recently. He was stunned by the size of meal portions, saying "this would feed three of us". He's not poor or emaciated or anything. They just have less stuff over there, including food at meals. And they're perfectly content.
.

They actually are poorer. Having less stuff is what it means to be poor. I also dispute your theory that prices will skyrocket. A lot of agriculture is highly mechanized. There are only a few crops that need to be harvested by hand, and engineers are already working on machines to handle these crops as well. The produce section is the only place you would see a significant increase in prices. A lot of our produce comes from overseas, and cutting immigration would have no effect here.

It is not a theory. It's a proven fact that prices will skyrocket not only on agricultural products but meat, poultry, fisheries, janitorial services, home care services, convalescence home etc. if you get rid of these people.
It's also a proven facts that Americans especially whites or blacks will not take over these jobs.

"Proven Fact"?

 

[Correll]

Anyone who stands against open borders, will be called a racist not matter how politely he phrases it.

Everyone I knew stand against borders like myself but it depends on how you interpret or express yourself Correll. I can name lots of members here that are just pure racist not only against Mexicans but other minorities. This even Trump became a candidate.

It does not matter how you express yourself.

Slandering and smearing their enemies works better for the Left than honestly debating the issue.


BUILD THE WALL. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. FUCK THE EMPLOYERS.

Stepping back from the politics of this, if possible, and looking at what that would look like:

The cost of doing business would necessarily skyrocket in the food/agricultural industry, and we'd see an immediate and pretty spectacular hike in the price of both the food itself and associated industries. So I hope that, while we're gleefully cleaning out the fields of illegals and replacing them with much higher-salaried workers with benefits, we're ready for this within our macroeconomic system. Currently, we are not.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing. We'd look at lot more like Europe, ironically. I have a brother who lives in England, and he visited recently. He was stunned by the size of meal portions, saying "this would feed three of us". He's not poor or emaciated or anything. They just have less stuff over there, including food at meals. And they're perfectly content.
.

Mac. The Illegal population exceeded the Migrant Farm Worker Niche decades and millions of workers ago.


There are multiple ways that that issue can be dealt with. It is not a reason to NOT deport the illegals.

Actually Odium brought up that Alabama HB 56 2011 ruling an anti illegal immigration bill. I strongly suggest you read that to enhance your knowledge about anti immigration. Then see the results what happened.

You don't have the credibility to get me to look up something. If you think you are aware of something relevant, you bring it to the thread.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Everyone I knew stand against borders like myself but it depends on how you interpret or express yourself Correll. I can name lots of members here that are just pure racist not only against Mexicans but other minorities. This even Trump became a candidate.

It does not matter how you express yourself.

Slandering and smearing their enemies works better for the Left than honestly debating the issue.


BUILD THE WALL. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. FUCK THE EMPLOYERS.

Stepping back from the politics of this, if possible, and looking at what that would look like:

The cost of doing business would necessarily skyrocket in the food/agricultural industry, and we'd see an immediate and pretty spectacular hike in the price of both the food itself and associated industries. So I hope that, while we're gleefully cleaning out the fields of illegals and replacing them with much higher-salaried workers with benefits, we're ready for this within our macroeconomic system. Currently, we are not.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing. We'd look at lot more like Europe, ironically. I have a brother who lives in England, and he visited recently. He was stunned by the size of meal portions, saying "this would feed three of us". He's not poor or emaciated or anything. They just have less stuff over there, including food at meals. And they're perfectly content.
.

They actually are poorer. Having less stuff is what it means to be poor. I also dispute your theory that prices will skyrocket. A lot of agriculture is highly mechanized. There are only a few crops that need to be harvested by hand, and engineers are already working on machines to handle these crops as well. The produce section is the only place you would see a significant increase in prices. A lot of our produce comes from overseas, and cutting immigration would have no effect here.

It is not a theory. It's a proven fact that prices will skyrocket not only on agricultural products but meat, poultry, fisheries, janitorial services, home care services, convalescence home etc. if you get rid of these people.
It's also a proven facts that Americans especially whites or blacks will not take over these jobs.

"Proven Fact"?

I love how we just assume no Americans will take those jobs.

Allow those who want to legally immigrate to the USA become citizens and then take those jobs.

It doesn't seem like a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Correll]

It does not matter how you express yourself.

Slandering and smearing their enemies works better for the Left than honestly debating the issue.


BUILD THE WALL. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. FUCK THE EMPLOYERS.

Stepping back from the politics of this, if possible, and looking at what that would look like:

The cost of doing business would necessarily skyrocket in the food/agricultural industry, and we'd see an immediate and pretty spectacular hike in the price of both the food itself and associated industries. So I hope that, while we're gleefully cleaning out the fields of illegals and replacing them with much higher-salaried workers with benefits, we're ready for this within our macroeconomic system. Currently, we are not.

I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing. We'd look at lot more like Europe, ironically. I have a brother who lives in England, and he visited recently. He was stunned by the size of meal portions, saying "this would feed three of us". He's not poor or emaciated or anything. They just have less stuff over there, including food at meals. And they're perfectly content.
.

Mac. The Illegal population exceeded the Migrant Farm Worker Niche decades and millions of workers ago.


There are multiple ways that that issue can be dealt with. It is not a reason to NOT deport the illegals.

I'm just pointing out the bigger picture. I see a lot of political rhetoric that's pretty two-dimensional, and my natural impulse is to look down the road a bit.
.

The bigger picture is good to look at, if we do it accurately.


Your post implied that the Illegals were still primarily employed as migrant farm workers.

THat is not true.

The vast majority of jobs that illegals do, Americans want to do.

Nobody are stopping the Americans to take over these jobs. And where are they?

1. People are stopping them.

2. Most of those jobs are still being done by Americans.

3. Everything you think you know is wrong.

 

[Freewill]

To answer the OP question, I would think they are happy because the liberal left is on suicide watch.

 

[Dragonlady]

So, despite all the talk on the left about raising minimum wage, you support the super cheap labor illegals offer. I see how it is. You like them to come and work for lower than average wages just so you can buy produce cheap and have that illegal clean your house for a few bucks.

I don't know why libs think Americans won't take some jobs. People used to take anything available and young people entering the work force were all about working on farms. Just because some arrogant liberals, who consider the heartland of America to be flyover country, wouldn't take some jobs, they think no one will but illegal aliens. Liberals don't seem to grasp the pride that some people have when they make their own way. You guys prefer cry babies who run to you for everything.

Of course, the left has pushed the whole entitlement mentality so of course some won't work at all. I suppose those high school drop outs are waiting for an executive position with a 6 figure salary before they'll drag their asses out of bed in the morning.

Illegal aliens have taken over some jobs here that many of us grew up doing. It's all illegal aliens in the fields detasseling corn and many took highway construction jobs and even meat packing plants. Some of those jobs used to pay quite well and offered good benefits but the illegals offering to work for little pay just lowered wages for everyone.

The left wants citizens who flip burgers to make $15 an hour but would bitch if any prices were raised to make up for it. Now you want to keep veggies and fruit cheap so you support farmers, hotels and other companies who pay them less than minimum just to keep prices low.

The only reason some won't take those jobs, even though it's all they are qualified to do, is because having kids and going on welfare pays better. And too many these days act like they are allergic to work.

Maybe you need to understand why Americans won't take these jobs. Harvesting jobs are itinerary, at best. A few weeks in one location, harvesting the crops, and then on to the next farm or district, based on the seasons.

The wages are so low that by the time the workers drive from their homes to the fields and back again, they don't have the money to pay for the gas it took to get there. That's why crops rotted in the fields in Alabama.

Had the farmers paid a living wage, their crops would have been so expensive in comparison to other farmers in states with less onerous prohibitions on undocumented workers, so they'd still rot because no one would pay those prices if they could get it cheaper elsewhere.

And we haven't even begun to discuss how physically difficult or dangerous the work can be.

 

[Clementine]

Maybe you need to understand why Americans won't take these jobs. Harvesting jobs are itinerary, at best. A few weeks in one location, harvesting the crops, and then on to the next farm or district, based on the seasons.

The wages are so low that by the time the workers drive from their homes to the fields and back again, they don't have the money to pay for the gas it took to get there. That's why crops rotted in the fields in Alabama.

Had the farmers paid a living wage, their crops would have been so expensive in comparison to other farmers in states with less onerous prohibitions on undocumented workers, so they'd still rot because no one would pay those prices if they could get it cheaper elsewhere.

And we haven't even begun to discuss how physically difficult or dangerous the work can be.

You sound like another one supporting illegal aliens working jobs that put them barely above slave status. Got it. But, hey, at least you get your veggies at a reasonable price.

Libs love unions despite the cost of automobiles and other things going up. You guys like all the ridiculous regulations that cause prices of goods to go up. You want minimum wage raised and claim it won't raise prices. Yet, you want those illegal aliens working the fields for next to nothing.

 

[Correll]

So, despite all the talk on the left about raising minimum wage, you support the super cheap labor illegals offer. I see how it is. You like them to come and work for lower than average wages just so you can buy produce cheap and have that illegal clean your house for a few bucks.

I don't know why libs think Americans won't take some jobs. People used to take anything available and young people entering the work force were all about working on farms. Just because some arrogant liberals, who consider the heartland of America to be flyover country, wouldn't take some jobs, they think no one will but illegal aliens. Liberals don't seem to grasp the pride that some people have when they make their own way. You guys prefer cry babies who run to you for everything.

Of course, the left has pushed the whole entitlement mentality so of course some won't work at all. I suppose those high school drop outs are waiting for an executive position with a 6 figure salary before they'll drag their asses out of bed in the morning.

Illegal aliens have taken over some jobs here that many of us grew up doing. It's all illegal aliens in the fields detasseling corn and many took highway construction jobs and even meat packing plants. Some of those jobs used to pay quite well and offered good benefits but the illegals offering to work for little pay just lowered wages for everyone.

The left wants citizens who flip burgers to make $15 an hour but would bitch if any prices were raised to make up for it. Now you want to keep veggies and fruit cheap so you support farmers, hotels and other companies who pay them less than minimum just to keep prices low.

The only reason some won't take those jobs, even though it's all they are qualified to do, is because having kids and going on welfare pays better. And too many these days act like they are allergic to work.

Maybe you need to understand why Americans won't take these jobs. Harvesting jobs are itinerary, at best. A few weeks in one location, harvesting the crops, and then on to the next farm or district, based on the seasons.

The wages are so low that by the time the workers drive from their homes to the fields and back again, they don't have the money to pay for the gas it took to get there. That's why crops rotted in the fields in Alabama.

Had the farmers paid a living wage, their crops would have been so expensive in comparison to other farmers in states with less onerous prohibitions on undocumented workers, so they'd still rot because no one would pay those prices if they could get it cheaper elsewhere.

And we haven't even begun to discuss how physically difficult or dangerous the work can be.

Stop pretending that all the illegals are in the fields picking produce


That is a lie.

 

[Divine Wind]

....The wages are so low that by the time the workers drive from their homes to the fields and back again, they don't have the money to pay for the gas it took to get there. That's why crops rotted in the fields in Alabama. .....

The reason wages are low is because Big Farma looks for the cheapest workers. Consider if they didn't find those workers, the crops would, indeed, rot in the fields. Ergo, they'd either pay higher wages, mechanize or go bankrupt. Illegal immigration allows them to exploit workers and pocket the profit.

 

[Divine Wind]

Stop pretending that all the illegals are in the fields picking produce


That is a lie.

Some certainly do: Where America’s undocumented immigrants work
As a percentage of industries, far more undocumented immigrants work in agriculture, construction and leisure than would be expected if considering only their density in the entire workforce.

 

[Correll]

Stop pretending that all the illegals are in the fields picking produce


That is a lie.

Some certainly do: Where America’s undocumented immigrants work
As a percentage of industries, far more undocumented immigrants work in agriculture, construction and leisure than would be expected if considering only their density in the entire workforce.

Your second graph is more informative. Note the small portion of illegals employed in the small agricultural sector. And not all of them would be pickers.


The pretense that illegals are all in the fields doing stoop labor is a lie.


Construction and service, includes quite a few jobs that used to or still can provide a decent middle class lifestyle.

 

[Divine Wind]

Stop pretending that all the illegals are in the fields picking produce


That is a lie.

Some certainly do: Where America’s undocumented immigrants work
As a percentage of industries, far more undocumented immigrants work in agriculture, construction and leisure than would be expected if considering only their density in the entire workforce.

Your second graph is more informative. Note the small portion of illegals employed in the small agricultural sector. And not all of them would be pickers.


The pretense that illegals are all in the fields doing stoop labor is a lie.


Construction and service, includes quite a few jobs that used to or still can provide a decent middle class lifestyle.

I was curious about that second graph too. Obviously the work areas are shifting and that piqued my curiosity. The Pew link doesn't specify the "why", but I suspect we're not talking about common Mexican laborers moving into white collar jobs. My best guess is that these are "dreamers"; illegals who came to the US as very young children and, except for paperwork, are, for all intents and purposes "American" kids. They speak English fluently, are fully assimilated and know no other culture than as an American.


Share of Unauthorized Immigrant Workers in Production, Construction Jobs Falls Since 2007

 

[Correll]

Stop pretending that all the illegals are in the fields picking produce


That is a lie.

Some certainly do: Where America’s undocumented immigrants work
As a percentage of industries, far more undocumented immigrants work in agriculture, construction and leisure than would be expected if considering only their density in the entire workforce.

Your second graph is more informative. Note the small portion of illegals employed in the small agricultural sector. And not all of them would be pickers.


The pretense that illegals are all in the fields doing stoop labor is a lie.


Construction and service, includes quite a few jobs that used to or still can provide a decent middle class lifestyle.

I was curious about that second graph too. Obviously the work areas are shifting and that piqued my curiosity. The Pew link doesn't specify the "why", but I suspect we're not talking about common Mexican laborers moving into white collar jobs. My best guess is that these are "dreamers"; illegals who came to the US as very young children and, except for paperwork, are, for all intents and purposes "American" kids. They speak English fluently, are fully assimilated and know no other culture than as an American.


Share of Unauthorized Immigrant Workers in Production, Construction Jobs Falls Since 2007

From your second graph, the percentage of illegals in agriculture, ALL agriculture, is at most 5%.

The work for isn't "Shifting" it SHIFTED, a long time ago.


Common mexican laborers? Dreamers?

YOu seem to be trying to explain away the fact that illegals are taking jobs and lowering wages in all walks of life, either directly or indirectly.

 

[bornright]

....The wages are so low that by the time the workers drive from their homes to the fields and back again, they don't have the money to pay for the gas it took to get there. That's why crops rotted in the fields in Alabama. .....

The reason wages are low is because Big Farma looks for the cheapest workers. Consider if they didn't find those workers, the crops would, indeed, rot in the fields. Ergo, they'd either pay higher wages, mechanize or go bankrupt. Illegal immigration allows them to exploit workers and pocket the profit.

Farms are like any other business in that we try to hire the best employees for the best price. The cheapest workers are not always the best workers. I want someone that knows how to take care of my tractors and equipment. I do not hire illegals for fear of the government making an example out of me. I also want someone that understands what I tell them to do. With there not being any immigration enforcement illegals are not cheap workers anymore.

 

[Divine Wind]

Stop pretending that all the illegals are in the fields picking produce


That is a lie.

Some certainly do: Where America’s undocumented immigrants work
As a percentage of industries, far more undocumented immigrants work in agriculture, construction and leisure than would be expected if considering only their density in the entire workforce.

Your second graph is more informative. Note the small portion of illegals employed in the small agricultural sector. And not all of them would be pickers.


The pretense that illegals are all in the fields doing stoop labor is a lie.


Construction and service, includes quite a few jobs that used to or still can provide a decent middle class lifestyle.

I was curious about that second graph too. Obviously the work areas are shifting and that piqued my curiosity. The Pew link doesn't specify the "why", but I suspect we're not talking about common Mexican laborers moving into white collar jobs. My best guess is that these are "dreamers"; illegals who came to the US as very young children and, except for paperwork, are, for all intents and purposes "American" kids. They speak English fluently, are fully assimilated and know no other culture than as an American.


Share of Unauthorized Immigrant Workers in Production, Construction Jobs Falls Since 2007

From your second graph, the percentage of illegals in agriculture, ALL agriculture, is at most 5%.

The work for isn't "Shifting" it SHIFTED, a long time ago.


Common mexican laborers? Dreamers?

YOu seem to be trying to explain away the fact that illegals are taking jobs and lowering wages in all walks of life, either directly or indirectly.

You seem to be reading far too much into this. Assume all you like. The fact remains illegal immigration is a problem and neither party seems to really be interested in changing the status quo. Why? My guess is the Almighty Dollar.