Why blacks don't like Ben Carson and don't vote Republican

[sealybobo]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

 

[skye]

I like and respect Dr Ben Carson !!!!

He is the best!

 

[Darkwind]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

I do.

 

[Darkwind]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

My graduating class of 78 was over 900 students. Half of them were dead ten years out. The point is that it isn't about race but about attitude.

If you have goals, and a willingness to achieve them; regardless of race, you can achieve them. Ben Carson proves that and its why so many failures in life attack him.

 

[IM2]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

It's funny how only white racists stand up for him.

 

[IM2]

This is why black people don't like Ben Carson

I hope you at least admit that the Republicans advice or bill Cosby's advice still does have some validity. Fatherless is a big problem in the black community. It is directly related to poverty. Is the black community making a push to stop the cycle? I see a little push in Detroit but I'd like to see more. We see the same tv detroiters see. I don't see enough psa's. I don't see billboards off the expressway.

The black community needs to make a push to end eubonics 24x7. Kids want to talk that way on the playground fine but not in school. That alone is holding them back.

I say them because I assume you are bi lingual

I say they are both invalid and should not be listened to. In fact your entire post is invalid. We can go back before the Civil Rights act was passed when the black family was supposed to be more intact and see the poverty rate was double that of today. The problem with the illegitimate child argument is that illegitimate only mans a child was born out of wedlock. This does not man these children do not see their fathers.

The push that is needed is for blacks to stop people who may not be black from actually believing they can tell us what we need to do.

See this is the problem with your side. Same problem we have with the other side. You refuse to admit where you are wrong.

I agree with all the things you say but you are unable to admit that the black community has internal problems that they now need to correct themselves.

If I told you the breaking up of the black family was the white man's fault you would agree with me. But now you can't agree the black family is broken and all because I'm saying it's all on you to fix it.

I've worked on those problems for 32 years of my life The overall problem is simply not what you say. There are too many studies done that show the issue is due to pubic policy, not some breakdown in family. This nation has a 50 percent rate of divorce. So the black family being broken is not it because the white family is broken too.

Yes! Exactly! White kids from divorced families are fucked up too! Now take a kid and put him in a high poverty high crime city and take his dad away. It's even worse.

The white kid at least gets favoritism for jobs and jobs are available where he lives. So it's not as bad when a white kid has no father.

The fail you have is in not understanding the role public policy plays in creating poverty in certain communities. This thing is not about broken families. I will tell you that as I have worked in these communities.

 

[IM2]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

The problem is that the Tupac culture you talk about really doesn't exist all that much.

 

[IM2]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

My graduating class of 78 was over 900 students. Half of them were dead ten years out. The point is that it isn't about race but about attitude.

If you have goals, and a willingness to achieve them; regardless of race, you can achieve them. Ben Carson proves that and its why so many failures in life attack him.

WelI I attack Carson and I have helped built one business from the ground up and helped a couple of others.. Then I retired at age of 52. I attack Carson because he is worthless to blacks and only serves to promote what whites believe about us.

 

[IM2]

I like and respect Dr Ben Carson !!!!

He is the best!

If you like people who stand for nothing, then Carson will be great to you.

 

[IM2]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

I do.

So explain to us all your basis for saying I am a racist.

Because I know the tactic. If a black person says anything about whites being racist then they get called a racist.

 

[sealybobo]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

My graduating class of 78 was over 900 students. Half of them were dead ten years out. The point is that it isn't about race but about attitude.

If you have goals, and a willingness to achieve them; regardless of race, you can achieve them. Ben Carson proves that and its why so many failures in life attack him.

That's not why we attack him. I'm not a failure or black and I don't like him or Republicans.

So your conclusion about why blacks hate him is wrong. It's not because they are failures.

Just like when we say whites all voted for Trump because they're racist. You and I know that's not the only reason

 

[sealybobo]

I hope you at least admit that the Republicans advice or bill Cosby's advice still does have some validity. Fatherless is a big problem in the black community. It is directly related to poverty. Is the black community making a push to stop the cycle? I see a little push in Detroit but I'd like to see more. We see the same tv detroiters see. I don't see enough psa's. I don't see billboards off the expressway.

The black community needs to make a push to end eubonics 24x7. Kids want to talk that way on the playground fine but not in school. That alone is holding them back.

I say them because I assume you are bi lingual

I say they are both invalid and should not be listened to. In fact your entire post is invalid. We can go back before the Civil Rights act was passed when the black family was supposed to be more intact and see the poverty rate was double that of today. The problem with the illegitimate child argument is that illegitimate only mans a child was born out of wedlock. This does not man these children do not see their fathers.

The push that is needed is for blacks to stop people who may not be black from actually believing they can tell us what we need to do.

See this is the problem with your side. Same problem we have with the other side. You refuse to admit where you are wrong.

I agree with all the things you say but you are unable to admit that the black community has internal problems that they now need to correct themselves.

If I told you the breaking up of the black family was the white man's fault you would agree with me. But now you can't agree the black family is broken and all because I'm saying it's all on you to fix it.

I've worked on those problems for 32 years of my life The overall problem is simply not what you say. There are too many studies done that show the issue is due to pubic policy, not some breakdown in family. This nation has a 50 percent rate of divorce. So the black family being broken is not it because the white family is broken too.

Yes! Exactly! White kids from divorced families are fucked up too! Now take a kid and put him in a high poverty high crime city and take his dad away. It's even worse.

The white kid at least gets favoritism for jobs and jobs are available where he lives. So it's not as bad when a white kid has no father.

The fail you have is in not understanding the role public policy plays in creating poverty in certain communities. This thing is not about broken families. I will tell you that as I have worked in these communities.

Excuses! I lived in Detroit till 4th grade. The counselor in my new school said "other than what my mom taught me I learned nothing in the detroit public school." Imagine how many parents don't care that their kids aren't learning.

So we got out. If you live in Detroit black or white you may need to move.

I don't disagree whites helped create a mess for the black community. Any black that wants better should leave. We moved 45 minutes away. My dad got a job in metro Detroit and got us out.

Blacks can succeed here and send their kids to better schools.

You know 700,000 detroiters left after the bush great recession? And blacks moved to Detroit from the south for jobs initially. Why are you all so stationary now?

 

[jillian]

Now it's time for you whites here to learn another lesson. Blacks don't like Ben Carson. Why? Because he's stupid. Not because he's successful, but because he is stupid. We say he is a sellout. Not because he is successful, but because he throws blacks under the bus for his own financial gain.

But this guys says it better.

i love when people who aren't part of a group pretend they know why that "group" does anything.

ben carson is bizarre and his political views are extreme.

they only make while supremacist rightwingnuts happy.

no one hates anyone because they are successful.

idiot.

 

[IM2]

I say they are both invalid and should not be listened to. In fact your entire post is invalid. We can go back before the Civil Rights act was passed when the black family was supposed to be more intact and see the poverty rate was double that of today. The problem with the illegitimate child argument is that illegitimate only mans a child was born out of wedlock. This does not man these children do not see their fathers.

The push that is needed is for blacks to stop people who may not be black from actually believing they can tell us what we need to do.

See this is the problem with your side. Same problem we have with the other side. You refuse to admit where you are wrong.

I agree with all the things you say but you are unable to admit that the black community has internal problems that they now need to correct themselves.

If I told you the breaking up of the black family was the white man's fault you would agree with me. But now you can't agree the black family is broken and all because I'm saying it's all on you to fix it.

I've worked on those problems for 32 years of my life The overall problem is simply not what you say. There are too many studies done that show the issue is due to pubic policy, not some breakdown in family. This nation has a 50 percent rate of divorce. So the black family being broken is not it because the white family is broken too.

Yes! Exactly! White kids from divorced families are fucked up too! Now take a kid and put him in a high poverty high crime city and take his dad away. It's even worse.

The white kid at least gets favoritism for jobs and jobs are available where he lives. So it's not as bad when a white kid has no father.

The fail you have is in not understanding the role public policy plays in creating poverty in certain communities. This thing is not about broken families. I will tell you that as I have worked in these communities.

Excuses! I lived in Detroit till 4th grade. The counselor in my new school said "other than what my mom taught me I learned nothing in the detroit public school." Imagine how many parents don't care that their kids aren't learning.

So we got out. If you live in Detroit black or white you may need to move.

I don't disagree whites helped create a mess for the black community. Any black that wants better should leave. We moved 45 minutes away. My dad got a job in metro Detroit and got us out.

Blacks can succeed here and send their kids to better schools.

You know 700,000 detroiters left after the bush great recession? And blacks moved to Detroit from the south for jobs initially. Why are you all so stationary now?

Blacks do not need to leave the black community for things to change. Money needs to be invested in these communities. Just as they are in other areas.

 

[sealybobo]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

The problem is that the Tupac culture you talk about really doesn't exist all that much.

That's not what white employers see. And I'm not talking about middle class blacks who have Al already made it. I'm talking about the ghettos.

And wait a second. Are you telling me Tupac and Biggy exaggerated? Black kids in inner cities don't live in violence like they say on PBS documentaries?

I hope you know it's the poverty blacks in ghettos who I'm giving advice to. Not middle class blacks who have overcome. They need to be told racism is over. They need to believe that. And they need to know they need to make changes themselves. If not their poverty is their fault.

Any argument is victim mentality. Yes youve been wronged. Now what? Is it racism because you don't get the job? Is it racism when your boss tells you what to do? Is it racism when you get fired?

 

[IM2]

Now it's time for you whites here to learn another lesson. Blacks don't like Ben Carson. Why? Because he's stupid. Not because he's successful, but because he is stupid. We say he is a sellout. Not because he is successful, but because he throws blacks under the bus for his own financial gain.

But this guys says it better.

i love when people who aren't part of a group pretend they know why that "group" does anything.

ben carson is bizarre and his political views are extreme.

they only make while supremacist rightwingnuts happy.

no one hates anyone because they are successful.

idiot.

Are you talking to me? You have my quote up thee and I am saying the same thing you are. So I hope I am not the idiot you are reFerring to.

 

[Mudda]

See this is the problem with your side. Same problem we have with the other side. You refuse to admit where you are wrong.

I agree with all the things you say but you are unable to admit that the black community has internal problems that they now need to correct themselves.

If I told you the breaking up of the black family was the white man's fault you would agree with me. But now you can't agree the black family is broken and all because I'm saying it's all on you to fix it.

I've worked on those problems for 32 years of my life The overall problem is simply not what you say. There are too many studies done that show the issue is due to pubic policy, not some breakdown in family. This nation has a 50 percent rate of divorce. So the black family being broken is not it because the white family is broken too.

Yes! Exactly! White kids from divorced families are fucked up too! Now take a kid and put him in a high poverty high crime city and take his dad away. It's even worse.

The white kid at least gets favoritism for jobs and jobs are available where he lives. So it's not as bad when a white kid has no father.

The fail you have is in not understanding the role public policy plays in creating poverty in certain communities. This thing is not about broken families. I will tell you that as I have worked in these communities.

Excuses! I lived in Detroit till 4th grade. The counselor in my new school said "other than what my mom taught me I learned nothing in the detroit public school." Imagine how many parents don't care that their kids aren't learning.

So we got out. If you live in Detroit black or white you may need to move.

I don't disagree whites helped create a mess for the black community. Any black that wants better should leave. We moved 45 minutes away. My dad got a job in metro Detroit and got us out.

Blacks can succeed here and send their kids to better schools.

You know 700,000 detroiters left after the bush great recession? And blacks moved to Detroit from the south for jobs initially. Why are you all so stationary now?

Blacks do not need to leave the black community for things to change. Money needs to be invested in these communities. Just as they are in other areas.

Sure, everyone in a black area is going to invest part of their welfare check into their own community. Sounds like a plan. Go for it!

 

[sealybobo]

See this is the problem with your side. Same problem we have with the other side. You refuse to admit where you are wrong.

I agree with all the things you say but you are unable to admit that the black community has internal problems that they now need to correct themselves.

If I told you the breaking up of the black family was the white man's fault you would agree with me. But now you can't agree the black family is broken and all because I'm saying it's all on you to fix it.

I've worked on those problems for 32 years of my life The overall problem is simply not what you say. There are too many studies done that show the issue is due to pubic policy, not some breakdown in family. This nation has a 50 percent rate of divorce. So the black family being broken is not it because the white family is broken too.

Yes! Exactly! White kids from divorced families are fucked up too! Now take a kid and put him in a high poverty high crime city and take his dad away. It's even worse.

The white kid at least gets favoritism for jobs and jobs are available where he lives. So it's not as bad when a white kid has no father.

The fail you have is in not understanding the role public policy plays in creating poverty in certain communities. This thing is not about broken families. I will tell you that as I have worked in these communities.

Excuses! I lived in Detroit till 4th grade. The counselor in my new school said "other than what my mom taught me I learned nothing in the detroit public school." Imagine how many parents don't care that their kids aren't learning.

So we got out. If you live in Detroit black or white you may need to move.

I don't disagree whites helped create a mess for the black community. Any black that wants better should leave. We moved 45 minutes away. My dad got a job in metro Detroit and got us out.

Blacks can succeed here and send their kids to better schools.

You know 700,000 detroiters left after the bush great recession? And blacks moved to Detroit from the south for jobs initially. Why are you all so stationary now?

Blacks do not need to leave the black community for things to change. Money needs to be invested in these communities. Just as they are in other areas.

Same advice I'm giving people in coal country. Don't wait for Trump to bring jobs back. And no one, not even black businessmen will invest in Detroit. Downtown they will but the high crime keeps grocery stores and pharmacies and every other business from moving to Detroit.

Decades ago Ford Lincoln plant was here in metro Detroit and they hired a lot of blacks. Same with Chrysler and GM. Yes it made a difference and would again if they'd stop going to Mexico and China. I hate it that they don't move jobs here. But they aren't coming back. Stop waiting for them to. There are jobs in metro Detroit but detroiters feel stuck. I don't think they are. Only in their heads.
Blacks find jobs out here.

And if blacks think Detroit can be fixed and is the place to stay go for it. This is a free country

 

[sealybobo]

I've worked on those problems for 32 years of my life The overall problem is simply not what you say. There are too many studies done that show the issue is due to pubic policy, not some breakdown in family. This nation has a 50 percent rate of divorce. So the black family being broken is not it because the white family is broken too.

Yes! Exactly! White kids from divorced families are fucked up too! Now take a kid and put him in a high poverty high crime city and take his dad away. It's even worse.

The white kid at least gets favoritism for jobs and jobs are available where he lives. So it's not as bad when a white kid has no father.

The fail you have is in not understanding the role public policy plays in creating poverty in certain communities. This thing is not about broken families. I will tell you that as I have worked in these communities.

Excuses! I lived in Detroit till 4th grade. The counselor in my new school said "other than what my mom taught me I learned nothing in the detroit public school." Imagine how many parents don't care that their kids aren't learning.

So we got out. If you live in Detroit black or white you may need to move.

I don't disagree whites helped create a mess for the black community. Any black that wants better should leave. We moved 45 minutes away. My dad got a job in metro Detroit and got us out.

Blacks can succeed here and send their kids to better schools.

You know 700,000 detroiters left after the bush great recession? And blacks moved to Detroit from the south for jobs initially. Why are you all so stationary now?

Blacks do not need to leave the black community for things to change. Money needs to be invested in these communities. Just as they are in other areas.

Sure, everyone in a black area is going to invest part of their welfare check into their own community. Sounds like a plan. Go for it!

You dumb mudda fucker. What he means is white businesses and our Michigan Republicans who btw poisoned the blacks in Flint with lead, need to move jobs to these areas. He's right. But they won't if those places aren't safe and if the citizens are uneducated.

Then he will blame us for only putting low paying jobs in those areas. Sorry but not a lot of accountants.

Do you know what white hospitals do? Their long term care facilities are in the hood. We had to put my mom with Alzheimer's in the hood. Why? Because Detroit has lots of women who will do that work for low wages.

 

[IM2]

If every person (not just blacks) in this country aspired and worked as hard as Ben Carson has, there would be no Black issue, there would be very little in the way of poverty as an issue.

Ben Carson scares racists like IM2 because he shows how they can achieve their dreams of freedom, both personal and economic.

I've just read a piece about Ben Carson and learned that he was from a broken family. Says his mother discovered that his father was a bigamist and divorced him.

His mother evidently really pushed him to do well in school and several of his educators mentored him. When any child has a persistent parent and mentors, they are more likely to succeed. Too many of our children have uninterested parents and are part of educational systems that do not believe in them or expect them to ever do well.

I believe that our economic system is such that a certain percentage of people are kept in poverty to provide the constant cash flow needed. People dependent on assistance spend the money right away and it goes right back into the system. Helping folks out of poverty would mean they could save their money, like the rich do, and thus it would not circulate.

I do not, by the way, believe IM2 is a racist.

Ben Carson was pushed by a tough mom. That was key. You have to have at least one good parent. Sometimes that's even not enough.

Hell, I know two brothers whos parents raised them in the white suburbs. The bad one went to jail for trying to rob a bank and he was a drug dealer. The good one who graduated from Michigan State University just died of a heroine od. Why did all their white classmates grow up to lead normal lives and these two couldn't figure it out?

I think the Tupac selling drug hip hop baby mama culture is being emulated by even black kids who aren't in the hood and they're misbehaving too.

And yes, whites do it too. We call them wiggers.

The problem is that the Tupac culture you talk about really doesn't exist all that much.

That's not what white employers see. And I'm not talking about middle class blacks who have Al already made it. I'm talking about the ghettos.

And wait a second. Are you telling me Tupac and Biggy exaggerated? Black kids in inner cities don't live in violence like they say on PBS documentaries?

I hope you know it's the poverty blacks in ghettos who I'm giving advice to. Not middle class blacks who have overcome. They need to be told racism is over. They need to believe that. And they need to know they need to make changes themselves. If not their poverty is their fault.

Any argument is victim mentality. Yes youve been wronged. Now what? Is it racism because you don't get the job? Is it racism when your boss tells you what to do? Is it racism when you get fired?

I worked in such communities for over 30 yeas. I did not say it doesn't exist, but it doesn't exist as much as those like you say. It exists in the white community but no one over dramatizes it, no one points out the violence in some of the music coming from white artists, none of the stereotypes we face are done to whites and all you do is perpetuate the problem.

You are not offering advice to those young kids if you are telling then racism does not exist. You are lying to them. They don't need to believe a lie. They need to be told it exists and how to properly deal with it. You need to get out of the advice giving business if you aren't going to tell the truth.