Why do the people who voted for Hillary want to pay more taxes?

[jc456]

So where was your concern of the children when leftists enacted social security, medicaid and medicare, now debt into the tune of 150 trillion? Much more than the projected cost of global warming...

Trump takes debt because he wants to end all your nonsense. That's a sound investment. If he was a president before all the nonsense was enacted we would have saved trillions and trillions. Since that is no longer possible we will save civilization.

Really silly stuff, Dupe. If you count all taxes and fees the rich now pay no no more percentage wise than the middle class and the country is going broke.

You have a link? And who sets the taxes and fees?

Of course and it has gotten worse with trumps tax cut for the rich...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.96a386f91175&ved=2ahUKEwizu8uimq7bAhUM2IMKHb-yDOIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gq0eZVxZhGWmI-SFSuPBE

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

wrong again as always... From link:
Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justicekeeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.

* Romney's 13.9 percent rate only counts his federal taxes. He hasn't released his state and local returns for 2011, so we can't say how that would change his total tax rate. But given the state and local averages for someone in his income group, it's likely to remain well below the 25-30 percent that is typical.

but the guy making 40,000 gets all of that money back at tax time. oops. so the 40,000 actually pays no payroll tax. He lends it out and gets it back. right? be honest. the 4 million dollar guy is still paying 35% of the 4 million.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't get it

The people who voted for Hillary don't want to pay more taxes. They want everyone else to pay more taxes

They do not get it, tax laws do not discriminate...…….

Of course they do.
People with kids pay less taxes
People who smoke pay more taxes
People with mortgages pay less taxes

If that's not discrimination what is?

A large part of our tax laws serve no purpose other than social engineering

So have kids, buy a home and live the American dream, don't smoke and drink and get married

Why should I have to?
You do realize that by not having kids that I use less government services don't you?

Your choice

The services are still available

ROFL! I pay for them whether I use them or not. That's the leftwing conception of a "free choice."

 

[bripat9643]

Liberals are so damn stupid they think bigger government is better government.

The assholes want higher taxes to pay for it, providing they are not the ones having to pay the taxes. They are greedy selfish little bastards like that.

Conservatives are so stupid that when a conservative politician says that liberals want 'bigger government', they believe them.

Nope, liberals don't particularly want 'bigger government'.

But one thing is for sure, 'tax and spend' is a whole lot smarter than 'not tax and spend'.

why does the government need more tax money from the rich?

To buy the votes of more parasites.

 

[Flash]

Liberals are so damn stupid they think bigger government is better government.

The assholes want higher taxes to pay for it, providing they are not the ones having to pay the taxes. They are greedy selfish little bastards like that.

Conservatives are so stupid that when a conservative politician says that liberals want 'bigger government', they believe them.

Nope, liberals don't particularly want 'bigger government'.

But one thing is for sure, 'tax and spend' is a whole lot smarter than 'not tax and spend'.

why does the government need more tax money from the rich?

Because there are greedy assholes who want to use taxation for thievery.

 

[bripat9643]

So where was your concern of the children when leftists enacted social security, medicaid and medicare, now debt into the tune of 150 trillion? Much more than the projected cost of global warming...

Trump takes debt because he wants to end all your nonsense. That's a sound investment. If he was a president before all the nonsense was enacted we would have saved trillions and trillions. Since that is no longer possible we will save civilization.

Really silly stuff, Dupe. If you count all taxes and fees the rich now pay no no more percentage wise than the middle class and the country is going broke.

You have a link? And who sets the taxes and fees?

Of course and it has gotten worse with trumps tax cut for the rich...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.96a386f91175&ved=2ahUKEwizu8uimq7bAhUM2IMKHb-yDOIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gq0eZVxZhGWmI-SFSuPBE

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

wrong again as always... From link:
Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justicekeeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.

* Romney's 13.9 percent rate only counts his federal taxes. He hasn't released his state and local returns for 2011, so we can't say how that would change his total tax rate. But given the state and local averages for someone in his income group, it's likely to remain well below the 25-30 percent that is typical.

When you copy and paste, you should give attribution to the source.

 

[g5000]

Seriously, this is illogical and ignorant. So why do you want to keep less of your money and give more away to the government?

Be specific please

We are a nation of "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it."

Everyone wants a handout from the government. Everyone DEMANDS a government handout.

But we don't want to pay for it.

So here's the thing. Listen carefully.

If we don't pay for our government gifts...our children will.


I can't speak for liberals, but I can tell you how I feel.

It isn't that I want to pay higher taxes. I just don't want our kids to have to pay.

 

[bripat9643]

Seriously, this is illogical and ignorant. So why do you want to keep less of your money and give more away to the government?

Be specific please

We are a nation of "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it."

Everyone wants a handout from the government. Everyone DEMANDS a government handout.

But we don't want to pay for it.

So here's the thing. Listen carefully.

If we don't pay for our government gifts...our children will.


I can't speak for liberals, but I can tell you how I feel.

It isn't that I want to pay higher taxes. I just don't want our kids to have to pay.

Wrong, not everyone demands a government handout, but politicians will get the votes of those who do when the are handing out money.

 

[g5000]

Seriously, this is illogical and ignorant. So why do you want to keep less of your money and give more away to the government?

Be specific please

Sure I'll be specific. What is ignorant about thinking of taxes as a way to fund a standard of living? You don't '' give'' the government money. The government gets taxes which it uses to fund stuff like infrastructure, the military, education, pensions, etc. The reason we allow this is that the governments is better at certain types of stuff. I'm Belgian, my wife is American. We live in Europe, the reason being that our kid has more opportunities here. I'm willing to compare my quality of life against most Americans. A big part of that quality of life is funded by taxes that would make you blanch.

Taxes are money the government takes from you by force, and they don't fund any kind of "better lifestyle." They mostly go to fund parasites.

You want to compare quality of life? What's the average size of a home in Belgium? What's the price of gas there? What do you pay for electricity? How much does it cost to get on a golf course?

Seriously, this is illogical and ignorant. So why do you want to keep less of your money and give more away to the government?

Be specific please

We are a nation of "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it."

Everyone wants a handout from the government. Everyone DEMANDS a government handout.

But we don't want to pay for it.

So here's the thing. Listen carefully.

If we don't pay for our government gifts...our children will.


I can't speak for liberals, but I can tell you how I feel.

It isn't that I want to pay higher taxes. I just don't want our kids to have to pay.

Wrong, not everyone demands a government handout, but politicians will get the votes of those who do when the are handing out money.

Everyone demands a government handout. Especially you. You have vehemently demanded your government handout in the form of tax expenditures which drive everyone's tax rates higher and causes heavy federal and state borrowing.

You are just as much a leech as anyone else, and you work very hard to convince yourself your thieving ways are justified.

 

[Wyatt earp]

youre a commie, you don't want a middle class......we should all be peasants of the elites

I am a Democratic Socialist like berny. And you are an idiot dupe.

Bernie is a fucking commie, and so are you.

Bernie is not a communist and never advocated everyone moving to live on a commune.

Please. How many members of the communist party ever lived in a commune?

How many Republicans are low wage earners who vote against their own best interests?

You’re definitely one of them.

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

 

[g5000]

I am a Democratic Socialist like berny. And you are an idiot dupe.

Bernie is a fucking commie, and so are you.

Bernie is not a communist and never advocated everyone moving to live on a commune.

Please. How many members of the communist party ever lived in a commune?

How many Republicans are low wage earners who vote against their own best interests?

You’re definitely one of them.

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bernie is a fucking commie, and so are you.

Bernie is not a communist and never advocated everyone moving to live on a commune.

Please. How many members of the communist party ever lived in a commune?

How many Republicans are low wage earners who vote against their own best interests?

You’re definitely one of them.

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

I asked this question before remind me in US history have we ever lowered taxes when we where at full employment?

 

[g5000]

Bernie is not a communist and never advocated everyone moving to live on a commune.

Please. How many members of the communist party ever lived in a commune?

How many Republicans are low wage earners who vote against their own best interests?

You’re definitely one of them.

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

I asked this question before remind me in US history have we ever lowered taxes when we where at full employment?

"Bush tax cuts".

I've always said pseudocons have the memory retention of a goldfish.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Please. How many members of the communist party ever lived in a commune?

How many Republicans are low wage earners who vote against their own best interests?

You’re definitely one of them.

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

I asked this question before remind me in US history have we ever lowered taxes when we where at full employment?

"Bush tax cuts".

I've always said pseudocons have the memory retention of a goldfish.

I forgot to add when we were not in a mini recession or recession....it never happened.

 

[g5000]

Just like the last time the GOP controlled Congress and the White House, they have accelerated spending and deficits.

The rubes never seem to catch on!

The tards think they can raise their credit card limit and make lower monthly payments and get away with it forever.

 

[g5000]

How many Republicans are low wage earners who vote against their own best interests?

You’re definitely one of them.

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

I asked this question before remind me in US history have we ever lowered taxes when we where at full employment?

"Bush tax cuts".

I've always said pseudocons have the memory retention of a goldfish.

I forgot to add when we were not in a mini recession or recession....it never happened.

Yeah, you just keep moving those goalposts, mm-kay?

 

[g5000]

Meanwhile, spending has accelerated and the federal debt the tards whined about for eight years keeps rising!

Now they suddenly don't care.

Hmmmm...the stench of hypocrisy is ripe in the air.

 

[Wyatt earp]

.how do they vote against their own best interest? Low taxes, low cost of living, jobs...thats all republicans

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

I asked this question before remind me in US history have we ever lowered taxes when we where at full employment?

"Bush tax cuts".

I've always said pseudocons have the memory retention of a goldfish.

I forgot to add when we were not in a mini recession or recession....it never happened.

Yeah, you just keep moving those goalposts, mm-kay?

I just woke up..i wasn't moving the goal posts I asked the full question on here like 30 times.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Seriously, this is illogical and ignorant. So why do you want to keep less of your money and give more away to the government?

Be specific please

We are a nation of "gimme gimme gimme and make that guy over there pay for it."

Everyone wants a handout from the government. Everyone DEMANDS a government handout.

But we don't want to pay for it.

So here's the thing. Listen carefully.

If we don't pay for our government gifts...our children will.


I can't speak for liberals, but I can tell you how I feel.

It isn't that I want to pay higher taxes. I just don't want our kids to have to pay.

I don't have kids and therefore I pay more taxes than people with kids it should be the other way around

 

[g5000]

Low taxes, big spending = giant deficits.

Please explain how that is in our best interests, and in the interests of our children.

And jobs have been growing for nine years now. It didn't start with Trump.

I asked this question before remind me in US history have we ever lowered taxes when we where at full employment?

"Bush tax cuts".

I've always said pseudocons have the memory retention of a goldfish.

I forgot to add when we were not in a mini recession or recession....it never happened.

Yeah, you just keep moving those goalposts, mm-kay?

I just woke up..i wasn't moving the goal posts I asked the full question on here like 30 times.

You haven't woken up. You're still sound asleep.

Trump is burying our children under more and more debt. He gave handout to special interests which saddled our children with another $1.5 trillion of debt, and the tards were dancing in the streets.

Trump has made you all in Keynesians and you didn't even notice.

Wakey wakey!

 

[BlueGin]

Christian charity maybe?
You know...wanting to take care of their fellow citizens like Jesus commanded?

You get far more bang for your buck by donating directly to a charity. Governments are incredibly wasteful, so if that is truly your goal do it the right way, and not the stupid way.

Most tax payers money goes directly to pay the people running the programs.. their. vacations,company cars,bonuses etc. what's left over is what goes to to said programs after most of it is sypohned off.