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would say that some progressives are independents...not most. Most independents may have broke for Obama in the last election but that doesn't make them progressives.
But conservatives are also big government republicans as long as the spoils to not go to the citizenry, but to the MIC and corporations. What's the difference from a neocon other than where you think the taxpayer's money should go?
would say that some progressives are independents...not most. Most independents may have broke for Obama in the last election but that doesn't make them progressives.
I know many, many people label themselves as "progressives" and none of them trust a party at all. All that I have been in contact with are independent. That is a big aspect of the "progressive" movement.
But conservatives are also big government republicans as long as the spoils to not go to the citizenry, but to the MIC and corporations. What's the difference from a neocon other than where you think the taxpayer's money should go?
Neocon/Progressives
Again, there is no such animal. I love how the right is trying to sneak neocons in with what they deem the leftist bugaboos of socialism/communism, even when they don't even know the definitions or realities of those two ideologies. So now that you guys have disowned neocons (which you haven't... you just renamed them conservatives...), you now think you can lump them in w/ progressives? This oughtta be good...
Neoconservatives are in fact Democrats in their political roots. There is no disputing that fact.
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe forerunners of neoconservatism were most often socialists or sometimes liberals who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal, trade unionism, and Trotskyism, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman. A number of future neoconservatives, such as Jeane Kirkpatrick,[citation needed] were Shachtmanites in their youth; some were later involved with Social Democrats USA.
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Again, there is no such animal. I love how the right is trying to sneak neocons in with what they deem the leftist bugaboos of socialism/communism, even when they don't even know the definitions or realities of those two ideologies. So now that you guys have disowned neocons (which you haven't... you just renamed them conservatives...), you now think you can lump them in w/ progressives? This oughtta be good...
Neoconservatives are in fact Democrats in their political roots. There is no disputing that fact.
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe forerunners of neoconservatism were most often socialists or sometimes liberals who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal, trade unionism, and Trotskyism, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman. A number of future neoconservatives, such as Jeane Kirkpatrick,[citation needed] were Shachtmanites in their youth; some were later involved with Social Democrats USA.
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LOL after everytime I have seen you attack others for daring to present wikipedia as a source you are now trying to present it as yours?? LOL
Thanks for the spin. LOL
So like I said...big government republicans.
Wait wait wait.
You're attacking him for starting a fight...when all he's doing is calling you on your hypocrisy?
Be a man, admit your mistake, and move on. That's how it's done.
I just want to know why? Why don't you want more freedom to choose what you want to do?
Do you really think government will do everything better than you would?
I just don't get it.
So like I said...big government republicans.
And there are plenty of examples of republicans wanting and supporting big government when it suited their needs so it's funny to hear them rail against it now that they believe it doesn't suit their needs all because they are in the minority.
But conservatives are also big government republicans as long as the spoils to not go to the citizenry, but to the MIC and corporations. What's the difference from a neocon other than where you think the taxpayer's money should go?
That's a generalization that lacks merit. I would agree that some conservatives are in fact for big government...but I would not lump all of them into that category.
and by "spoils going to the citizenry" what are you implying? More government involvement in the people's lives or a hand out to the citizenry?
But conservatives are also big government republicans as long as the spoils to not go to the citizenry, but to the MIC and corporations. What's the difference from a neocon other than where you think the taxpayer's money should go?
That's a generalization that lacks merit. I would agree that some conservatives are in fact for big government...but I would not lump all of them into that category.
and by "spoils going to the citizenry" what are you implying? More government involvement in the people's lives or a hand out to the citizenry?
You post generalizations all of the time and somehow you don't approve when others do it?? LOL
Neoconservatives are in fact Democrats in their political roots. There is no disputing that fact.
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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LOL after everytime I have seen you attack others for daring to present wikipedia as a source you are now trying to present it as yours?? LOL
Thanks for the spin. LOL
I didn't attack anyone. I posted an article from wiki. Take it or leave it. My opinion of wiki is irrelevant. Are you trying to start a fight...AGAIN?
So like I said...big government republicans.
And there are plenty of examples of republicans wanting and supporting big government when it suited their needs so it's funny to hear them rail against it now that they believe it doesn't suit their needs all because they are in the minority.
It doesn't suit the country's needs right now because the country is broke...regardless of who's fault it is or was...we are broke and cannot afford big government. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Wait wait wait.
You're attacking him for starting a fight...when all he's doing is calling you on your hypocrisy?
Be a man, admit your mistake, and move on. That's how it's done.
Where did I attack anyone? All I made was a statement. You're really too tense. Calm down Beavis.
And there are plenty of examples of republicans wanting and supporting big government when it suited their needs so it's funny to hear them rail against it now that they believe it doesn't suit their needs all because they are in the minority.
It doesn't suit the country's needs right now because the country is broke...regardless of who's fault it is or was...we are broke and cannot afford big government. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Thank god the people in charge think on a little bit deeper of a level than you.
Wait wait wait.
You're attacking him for starting a fight...when all he's doing is calling you on your hypocrisy?
Be a man, admit your mistake, and move on. That's how it's done.
Where did I attack anyone? All I made was a statement. You're really too tense. Calm down Beavis.
PLEASE LEARN TO READ.
oh and in case you missed it the post you just made was avoidance followed up by an attack as you try to demean and belittle another poster.
