Why In Hell Are These Creeps Still Alive ?

[protectionist]

Murder and rape beast Adrian Bayley in prison protection over safety fears - Irish Mirror Online

Murderer Adrian Bayley will be among Australia’s best-protected inmates, amid fears other prisoners may kill him.

The serial sex attacker was given a record 35-year sentence for the rape and murder of Co Louth beauty Jill Meagher, 29, in Melbourne last September.

The 41-year-old’s depraved record has made him so notorious prison guards believe he will targeted behind bars.

Officers at Barwon Prison will be forced to keep an extra close eye on Bayley as a result.

A former guard revealed: “He’ll be in protection. If he was released into a general unit he’d be badly smashed up or killed."

 

[bianco]

Australia's 'smiling assassin' killed in high security prison - Telegraph

Carl Williams, Australia's most notorious underworld killer, was supposed to be safe from assassination in prison.
Australia's 'smiling assassin' killed in high security prison.

But, locked in a maximum security section of a Victorian jail, he was bludgeoned over the head with the stem of an exercise bike by a fellow inmate. He later went into cardiac arrest and died.

Under your rules, Williams would've been sentenced to death and been on death row waiting to be execution-homicided by the State.

The man who killed him; [had never have been convicted of murder before, so how could he have been execution-homicided?].

Meet the man who murdered Carl Williams

Meet the man who murdered Carl Williams

 

[bianco]

Murder and rape beast Adrian Bayley in prison protection over safety fears - Irish Mirror Online

Murderer Adrian Bayley will be among Australia’s best-protected inmates, amid fears other prisoners may kill him.

The serial sex attacker was given a record 35-year sentence for the rape and murder of Co Louth beauty Jill Meagher, 29, in Melbourne last September.

The 41-year-old’s depraved record has made him so notorious prison guards believe he will targeted behind bars.

Officers at Barwon Prison will be forced to keep an extra close eye on Bayley as a result.

A former guard revealed: “He’ll be in protection. If he was released into a general unit he’d be badly smashed up or killed."

He should've been given a life sentence, never to be released.

For the earlier rapes he should've been given much longer sentences, much longer ones...then he wouldn't have been out in society.
The justice system and prison system in every state need serious reform.

If only Jill had accepted her work colleagues' offer to walk her home, and not walked home in the dim, dark night alone.
"Reclaim the night" baaah!

 

[bianco]

Parade?

We had parades...long ago...and prevailed, had the downunder states' death chambers abolished...

The death of Ronald Ryan - In Depth - theage.com.au

We remember Ryan now as an unlikely candidate for the gallows, a small-time crook whose sanctioned execution by the Victorian government of Liberal [Conservative] Premier Sir Henry Bolte caused a firestorm of community opposition, the scale and intensity of which dwarfs most modern-day protests.
It ensured that no government anywhere in the country would politically risk imposing the death penalty again. Victoria abolished the penalty in 1975. The last state to do so, Western Australia, abolished it in 1984.
...luckily...as Lindy Chamberlain would in later times most likely have been sentenced to death for murdering her baby Azaria at Uluru. [which she did not do, and was later released and paid compensaton.]

No mention of all the Australian murders having occured by non-executed murderers.

Deaths in prison custody


2010–11

A total of 58 deaths occurred in prison custody in Australia in 2010–11. Across the jurisdictions:

New South Wales recorded 20 deaths;
Queensland recorded 11 deaths;
Victoria recorded 10 deaths;
the Northern Territory recorded six deaths;
Western Australia recorded five deaths;
South Australia recorded four deaths;
Tasmania recorded two deaths

Deaths in custody in Australia to 30 June 2011 | Deaths in prison custody

Table 9 Key indicators of performance—prison custody deaths, 2010–11 Prison
1 Indigenous 12 (21%)
Non-Indigenous 46 (79%)
2 Rate of death—Indigenous 0.16a
Rate of death—non-Indigenous 0.22a

3a Main cause—Indigenous Natural causes—(67%; n=8)
Main cause—non-Indigenous Natural causes—(65%; n=30)
3b Main circumstances—Indigenous Natural causes—(67%; n=8)
Main circumstances—non-Indigenous Natural causes—(65%; n=30)


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A high percentage from natural causes, as I read it.

To prevent the deaths of inmates by other inmates, serious prison reform is needed [which many people are lobbying for], not re-introduction of the death penalty and death chambers.

Every inmate should be protected....from other inmates, and some guards.

We marched to end the possibility of execution-homiciding innocent people, to end the barbarity and human rights abuse of death chambers...and succeeded.
We marched to end corporal punishment in schools and homes ...and succeeded.
We're marching [via talkback radio and social media these days] for serious prison reform...[the govt is often a hard nut to crack.]

 

[protectionist]

Australia's 'smiling assassin' killed in high security prison - Telegraph

Carl Williams, Australia's most notorious underworld killer, was supposed to be safe from assassination in prison.
Australia's 'smiling assassin' killed in high security prison.

But, locked in a maximum security section of a Victorian jail, he was bludgeoned over the head with the stem of an exercise bike by a fellow inmate. He later went into cardiac arrest and died.

Under your rules, Williams would've been sentenced to death and been on death row waiting to be execution-homicided by the State.

The man who killed him; [had never have been convicted of murder before, so how could he have been execution-homicided?].

Meet the man who murdered Carl Williams

Meet the man who murdered Carl Williams

And if prisoners convicted of lesser crimes than murder, are killing other inmates, this is all the more to say that the convicted killers are a threat to do that as well.

 

[protectionist]

Murder and rape beast Adrian Bayley in prison protection over safety fears - Irish Mirror Online

Murderer Adrian Bayley will be among Australia’s best-protected inmates, amid fears other prisoners may kill him.

The serial sex attacker was given a record 35-year sentence for the rape and murder of Co Louth beauty Jill Meagher, 29, in Melbourne last September.

The 41-year-old’s depraved record has made him so notorious prison guards believe he will targeted behind bars.

Officers at Barwon Prison will be forced to keep an extra close eye on Bayley as a result.

A former guard revealed: “He’ll be in protection. If he was released into a general unit he’d be badly smashed up or killed."

He should've been given a life sentence, never to be released.

For the earlier rapes he should've been given much longer sentences, much longer ones...then he wouldn't have been out in society.
The justice system and prison system in every state need serious reform.

If only Jill had accepted her work colleagues' offer to walk her home, and not walked home in the dim, dark night alone.
"Reclaim the night" baaah!

Whatever. Point is that the prison officials know that in the prison there is the everpresent danger of murder, as opposed to the absurd notion of some people that, once locked up, prisoners then pose no harm.

 

[protectionist]

Parade?

We had parades...long ago...and prevailed, had the downunder states' death chambers abolished...

The death of Ronald Ryan - In Depth - theage.com.au

We remember Ryan now as an unlikely candidate for the gallows, a small-time crook whose sanctioned execution by the Victorian government of Liberal [Conservative] Premier Sir Henry Bolte caused a firestorm of community opposition, the scale and intensity of which dwarfs most modern-day protests.
It ensured that no government anywhere in the country would politically risk imposing the death penalty again. Victoria abolished the penalty in 1975. The last state to do so, Western Australia, abolished it in 1984.
...luckily...as Lindy Chamberlain would in later times most likely have been sentenced to death for murdering her baby Azaria at Uluru. [which she did not do, and was later released and paid compensaton.]

No mention of all the Australian murders having occured by non-executed murderers.

Deaths in prison custody


2010–11

A total of 58 deaths occurred in prison custody in Australia in 2010–11. Across the jurisdictions:

New South Wales recorded 20 deaths;
Queensland recorded 11 deaths;
Victoria recorded 10 deaths;
the Northern Territory recorded six deaths;
Western Australia recorded five deaths;
South Australia recorded four deaths;
Tasmania recorded two deaths

Deaths in custody in Australia to 30 June 2011 | Deaths in prison custody

Table 9 Key indicators of performance—prison custody deaths, 2010–11 Prison
1 Indigenous 12 (21%)
Non-Indigenous 46 (79%)
2 Rate of death—Indigenous 0.16a
Rate of death—non-Indigenous 0.22a

3a Main cause—Indigenous Natural causes—(67%; n=8)
Main cause—non-Indigenous Natural causes—(65%; n=30)
3b Main circumstances—Indigenous Natural causes—(67%; n=8)
Main circumstances—non-Indigenous Natural causes—(65%; n=30)


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A high percentage from natural causes, as I read it.

To prevent the deaths of inmates by other inmates, serious prison reform is needed [which many people are lobbying for], not re-introduction of the death penalty and death chambers.

Every inmate should be protected....from other inmates, and some guards.

We marched to end the possibility of execution-homiciding innocent people, to end the barbarity and human rights abuse of death chambers...and succeeded.
We marched to end corporal punishment in schools and homes ...and succeeded.
We're marching [via talkback radio and social media these days] for serious prison reform...[the govt is often a hard nut to crack.]

You're marching for people to be killed by non-executed convicted killers. And that's just what is going to happen to them (with your help).

 

[bianco]

You're marching for people to be killed by non-executed convicted killers. And that's just what is going to happen to them (with your help).

There are violent inmates in prison capable of bashing and/or murdering other inmates...these violent inmates not being non-executed convicted killers.
Can't just be killing every second inmate lest they bash or murder someone in prison.

Here's my idea;

. Every inmate has his own self-contained cell...bed, toilet, toaster [serial killer Ivan Milat has a toaster in his cell, if he behaves himself he keeps it...if he doesn't behave himself his toaster is taken away for a time...apparently he goes 'nutz' if they take away his toaster].

.TV on wall...prisons dept/govt]prison bosses decide what programs.
. Back door of cell opens onto exercise yard run, no contact with other inmates.
. Shower in cell.
. Meals delivered to cell...via a push-pull hole in the wall...a la Hannibal Lecter's in "Silence of The Lambs".

Don't leave cell, can't kill anyone.

 

[Meathead]

Thomas Knight’s dark history

July 17, 1974 – Thomas Knight kidnaps and murders Sydney and Lillian Gans of Bay Harbor Islands. He is immediately arrested.

September 1974 – Knight and 10 other inmates escape from Dade County jail. He is placed on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List.

October 1974 – Police believe Knight and another man fatally shoot a liquor store clerk during a robbery for $641 in Crisp County, GA. He is not charged.

December 1974 – FBI agents capture Knight in New Smyrna Beach. He is found with a shotgun and two pistols, all stolen.

April 1976 – A Miami-Dade jury convicts Knight of murdering the couple. He is sentenced to death.

October 1980 – Using a sharpened spoon, Knight stabs and kills corrections Officer Richard Burke at the Florida State Prison in Starke.

March 1981 – Knight is scheduled to be executed after Gov. Lawton Chiles signs his death warrant. A federal judge stays his execution pending more appeals.

January 1983 – Knight is convicted and sentenced to death for the Burke murder.

January 1996 – A federal appeals court overturns his death sentence in the Gans case, ordering a new penalty phase trial.

February 1996 – After a new sentencing phase, Knight is again sentenced to death. He is repeatedly banned from the courtroom because of his disruptive behavior.

March 2006 – With state courts repeatedly affirming his conviction and sentence, Knight’s lawyers appeal to a Miami federal judge.

November 2012 – Six years after the appeal was first filed, Miami U.S. Judge Adalberto Jordan reverses Knight’s death sentence. He orders a new sentencing hearing or life sentences for the convict.

September 2013 – A federal appeals court reverses Judge Jordan, reinstating the death penalty for Knight. “To learn about the gridlock and inefficiency of death penalty litigation, look no further than this appeal,” the court writes.

October 2013 – Gov. Rick Scott signs death warrant for Knight, not for the Miami-Dade murders but for the slaying of Burke. The execution is scheduled for Dec. 3.

November 2013 – The Florida Supreme Court delays the execution, ordering a Bradford judge to hold a hearing to consider whether a new drug used in the lethal injection procedure constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.

December 2013 – The state’s high court lifts the stay of execution after ruling Knight has failed to prove the drug is unsafe. Gov. Rick Scott re-schedules the execution for Jan. 7.

January 8, 2014, forty years after his first two murders, and two additional murders, one of a prison guard Knight is finally executed. Forty fucking years to flush a toilet clogged up by stupid lawyers and judges! This subhuman should have been executed before he could hurt anyone else. Spare us this 'they can't hurt other with a life sentence'.

 

[bianco]

With a life sentence, they can't hurt others ...if managed properly in prison.

 

[Meathead]

With a life sentence, they can't hurt others ...if managed properly in prison.

They can, and obviously do.

 

[S.J.]

With a life sentence, they can't hurt others ...if managed properly in prison.

But then what would the guards do for entertainment?

 

[protectionist]

You're marching for people to be killed by non-executed convicted killers. And that's just what is going to happen to them (with your help).

There are violent inmates in prison capable of bashing and/or murdering other inmates...these violent inmates not being non-executed convicted killers.
Can't just be killing every second inmate lest they bash or murder someone in prison.

Here's my idea;

. Every inmate has his own self-contained cell...bed, toilet, toaster [serial killer Ivan Milat has a toaster in his cell, if he behaves himself he keeps it...if he doesn't behave himself his toaster is taken away for a time...apparently he goes 'nutz' if they take away his toaster].

.TV on wall...prisons dept/govt]prison bosses decide what programs.
. Back door of cell opens onto exercise yard run, no contact with other inmates.
. Shower in cell.
. Meals delivered to cell...via a push-pull hole in the wall...a la Hannibal Lecter's in "Silence of The Lambs".

Don't leave cell, can't kill anyone.

Sounds great. Send them a check tomorrow. It'll have to be a big one though, due to all the money that's being wasted on decades long appeals. If that wasn't the case, maybe your idea would have already been enacted long ago.

 

[protectionist]

Thomas Knight’s dark history

July 17, 1974 – Thomas Knight kidnaps and murders Sydney and Lillian Gans of Bay Harbor Islands. He is immediately arrested.

September 1974 – Knight and 10 other inmates escape from Dade County jail. He is placed on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List.

October 1974 – Police believe Knight and another man fatally shoot a liquor store clerk during a robbery for $641 in Crisp County, GA. He is not charged.

December 1974 – FBI agents capture Knight in New Smyrna Beach. He is found with a shotgun and two pistols, all stolen.

April 1976 – A Miami-Dade jury convicts Knight of murdering the couple. He is sentenced to death.

October 1980 – Using a sharpened spoon, Knight stabs and kills corrections Officer Richard Burke at the Florida State Prison in Starke.

March 1981 – Knight is scheduled to be executed after Gov. Lawton Chiles signs his death warrant. A federal judge stays his execution pending more appeals.

January 1983 – Knight is convicted and sentenced to death for the Burke murder.

January 1996 – A federal appeals court overturns his death sentence in the Gans case, ordering a new penalty phase trial.

February 1996 – After a new sentencing phase, Knight is again sentenced to death. He is repeatedly banned from the courtroom because of his disruptive behavior.

March 2006 – With state courts repeatedly affirming his conviction and sentence, Knight’s lawyers appeal to a Miami federal judge.

November 2012 – Six years after the appeal was first filed, Miami U.S. Judge Adalberto Jordan reverses Knight’s death sentence. He orders a new sentencing hearing or life sentences for the convict.

September 2013 – A federal appeals court reverses Judge Jordan, reinstating the death penalty for Knight. “To learn about the gridlock and inefficiency of death penalty litigation, look no further than this appeal,” the court writes.

October 2013 – Gov. Rick Scott signs death warrant for Knight, not for the Miami-Dade murders but for the slaying of Burke. The execution is scheduled for Dec. 3.

November 2013 – The Florida Supreme Court delays the execution, ordering a Bradford judge to hold a hearing to consider whether a new drug used in the lethal injection procedure constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.

December 2013 – The state’s high court lifts the stay of execution after ruling Knight has failed to prove the drug is unsafe. Gov. Rick Scott re-schedules the execution for Jan. 7.

January 8, 2014, forty years after his first two murders, and two additional murders, one of a prison guard Knight is finally executed. Forty fucking years to flush a toilet clogged up by stupid lawyers and judges! This subhuman should have been executed before he could hurt anyone else. Spare us this 'they can't hurt other with a life sentence'.

I could almost be for executing some of the other people named in this post (Adalberto Jordan, federal appeals court loons, etc)

 

[protectionist]

With a life sentence, they can't hurt others ...if managed properly in prison.

In 2014, that "IF" still isn't even close to being in existence. Working with what DOES EXIST, >> they CAN and DO hurt others.

 

[WinterBorn]

With a life sentence, they can't hurt others ...if managed properly in prison.

In 2014, that "IF" still isn't even close to being in existence. Working with what DOES EXIST, >> they CAN and DO hurt others.

So the choice is which solution to address.

Either we execute people quicker, and run the risk of murdering an innocent man, or we fix the prison system.

Fixing the prison system sounds like the better option. Or segregate those on death row, so that if they kill one another we have simply saved money.

 

[protectionist]

With a life sentence, they can't hurt others ...if managed properly in prison.

But then what would the guards do for entertainment?

They could read our posts. Bwa ha ha ha ha.

 

[srlip]

life RARELY means "life", too. but dead STAYS dead.

 

[protectionist]

Hey, I just noticed that WinterBarn guy just posted. I don't read him, but I'm just surprised he's here and OK (sort of). I thought he might have been in the hospital with a stroke, worrying about my posts about stalking. He seemed to keep talking about it. Don't fight it, WB. Que sera, sera.

 

[protectionist]

life RARELY means "life", too. but dead STAYS dead.

Interesting how the death penalty opponents come in here and practically write a book complete with all their studies and stats (and say NOTHING)

Then along comes srlip, and in 9 words, says A WHOLE LOT.