Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

[JQPublic1]

White males have no reason the resent anything IMO.

I agree. But it's just an opinion. Clearly, some of them see it differently.

You republicans need to start thinking. You believe in some unreasonable and unfair selfish crap that only benefits whites and whites are not the only citizens of this country.

I'm not a republican. And I don't believe that.

You asked why we aren't making more progress on racism. I gave you an answer. Feel free to ignore it.

And that's the problem. You don't want to believe that but that's what's happening. I didn't ask why for anything, I stated that we need to become better informed.

I stand corrected. You weren't asking, or looking, for discussion. Just telling everyone how it is!

Well, I think you're full of shit.

Yep pretty much like you whites do.

I don't care what you think.

Which is why you will never learn what it actually takes to escape the cycle of self-destruction ...

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Have you been in a coma over the past few years? The cycle of self destruction is manifesting in White neighborhoods now more than ever. Rampant drug addiction and overdose deaths, suicides and despair is endemic in white suburbia. If blacks want to seek solutions for any societal problems they have they must look inwards for solutions...
White society cannot help; for it is besieged with the weight of it's own cycle of self destruction.

 

[JQPublic1]

There will always be racists... you can't change human nature.

Jesus tried and look what happened to him.

Martin L. King tried and look what happened to him.

The Kennedys trued and look what happened to them.

 

[Defiant1]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And how many trillions do you owe in food and back rent?

 

[JQPublic1]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And how many trillions do you owe in food and back rent?

You will have to ask all the Indian nation's chiefs. Your debt to them is much higher than any debt owed to you by blacks.

 

[BlackSand]

Have you been in a coma over the past few years? The cycle of self destruction is manifesting in White neighborhoods now more than ever. Rampant drug addiction and overdose deaths, suicides and despair is endemic in white suburbia. If blacks want to seek solutions for any societal problems they have they must look inwards for solutions...
White society cannot help; for it is besieged with the weight of it's own cycle of self destruction.

I have no delusions that problems are prevalent in populated areas ... Regardless of race.
That's the primary reason I don't choose to live in a populated area ... If you show up at my house uninvited ... Chances are, you are lost.

But ... More to your point ... "Looking Inward", is exactly what I am talking about.
It is when you, and you alone, understand that where you end up is the result of your actions.
It is a product of what you can do, with what you have, where you are.

If you can convince others to contribute in joint success ... Things can only get better.

.

 

[Defiant1]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And how many trillions do you owe in food and back rent?

You will have to ask all the Indian nation's chiefs. Your debt to them is much higher than any debt owed to you by blacks.

How the hell can we owe the Indians anything.
They have their own reservations, with casinos, making trillions of their own.

If anything they owe us back fees for camping on federal land.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

There will always be racists... you can't change human nature.

To begin with it is a useless word....just about all those who attempt to play the race card have their own definition of racism...which usually amounts to imaginary beliefs of the white man holding you down. hehheh It is just an excuse for failure.....aka.....oh I could be living in dat big mansion on da hill cuz I be equal to dat white guy living dere...only thing that prevents me from living dere is white racism....yeh dats da ticket. hehheh quite pathetic....but that is the b.s. our public schools have indoctrinated these hapless young blacks with for decades....should we be suprised they really believe that nonsense?

 

[JQPublic1]

Have you been in a coma over the past few years? The cycle of self destruction is manifesting in White neighborhoods now more than ever. Rampant drug addiction and overdose deaths, suicides and despair is endemic in white suburbia. If blacks want to seek solutions for any societal problems they have they must look inwards for solutions...
White society cannot help; for it is besieged with the weight of it's own cycle of self destruction.

I have no delusions that problems are prevalent in populated areas ... Regardless of race.
That's the primary reason I don't choose to live in a populated area ... If you show up at my house uninvited ... Chances are, you are lost.

But ... More to your point ... "Looking Inward", is exactly what I am talking about.
It is when you, and you alone, understand that where you end up is the result of your actions.
It is a product of what you can do, with what you have, where you are.

If you can convince others to contribute in joint success ... Things can only get better.

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Solving societal problems requires resources.
Whites generally control all of those resources. Yet, with all of that control..failure
plagues your neighborhoods in the manner i mentioned earlier. Still, your fingers point at
Black criminality as a typically black phenomenon.even as the agents behind that criminality were ensconced within the highest levels of our own government. Remember Erlichman's confession concerning Nixon's War On Drugs? Remember Reagan's domestic drug pushing strategies in the Iran/contra scandal.

 

[miketx]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

We don't owe you jack shit. Get a job.

 

[BlackSand]

Solving societal problems requires resources.
Whites generally control all of those resources. Yet, with all of that control..failure

Your assessment as to the condition of "failure" ... Is only a prerequisite for success if you intend to make whites responsible for the success of others.

Then again ... You would not be "looking inward".
You would be assigning duties to people in accordance with your desires, and someone's lack of resources.

Plagues your neighborhoods in the manner i mentioned earlier. Still, your fingers point at
Black criminality as a typically black phenomenon.even as the agents behind that criminality were ensconced within the highest levels of our own government.

The only plague in my neighborhood is the southern pine beetle ...

Otherwise ... We (the few people) have a tendency to not give a shit about the color of someone's skin.
The criminals (few) are not only black and white ... Everyone knows who they are, and why they are criminals.

Remember Erlichman's confession concerning Nixon's War On Drugs? Remember Reagan's domestic drug pushing strategies in the Iran/contra scandal.

If you have a problem with government ... Or with society in general ... It's about time you stop looking towards them to solve your problems.
They have done nothing but screw you ... Get a fucking clue dumbass.

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[JQPublic1]

Your assessment as to the condition of "failure" ... Is only a prerequisite for success if you intend to make whites responsible for the success of others.

As owners of the means of production in this country, a relatively few white elites are responsible for the success of all all Americans. Average folks, white or black, are virtuall in the same boat, albeit with a 400 year economic headstart, average whites do enjoy an economic advantage. Couple that advantage with vastly superior numbers and the black community, barely out of slavery, has made tremendous progress. 75% of blacks live above the poverty rate in America, even in the face of rampant discriminaion and predjudice which is launched incessantly at them from every corner of white society. These numbers defy your notion of endemic universal failure among blacks.. But they also highlight an underlying strength and perseverance. Liberal Whites may have set them free but there weren't enough to counter the hatemongers who never relented in their campaigns to stifle black progress a when and wherevet they could. Blacks did look inward and their Christian ethic, for the most part helped move them more towards prosperity than towards failure..

Then again ... You would not be "looking inward".
You would be assigning duties to people in accordance with your desires, and someone's lack of resources.

Personal introspect is not the same are collective introspect if there is such a thing.
75% of Blacks seem to have a handle on things but have no resources to address the. few criminals commiting crimes mostly against THEM. BLack tax dollars go to serve white interests instead of their own. Black tax dollars go to pay for police protection for whites rather than for their own. Black tax dollars go to build white infrasrltructure while in black communities hoary infrastructure crumbles into ruin; leeching lead pipes poisoning their water supplies.

The only plague in my neighborhood is the southern pine beetle ...

Your collective community includes the hotspots of white opiod addictions ravaging white America.

Otherwise ... We (the few people) have a tendency to not give a shit about the color of someone's skin.
The criminals (few) are not only black and white ... Everyone knows who they are, and why they are criminals.

But now...in the era of Trumpism...criminality and immoral behavior by white perps, some appointed by Trump to high government posts, has been normalized...at least among his followers.

 

[dblack]

As owners of the means of production in this country,
...

Apologies for cherry-picking - but have you ever stopped to consider what the means of production actually is? Ultimately, it's the human mind.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"Actually it is different. Far different. Of course you aren't a racist now are ya?"

Really? How exactly?
You're the resident racist; not me.

If money is owed to anybody it should be owed to the slave owners' families as reimbursement for the money they had invested in slaves and their food and shelter. No different than confiscating a farmer's tractor and harvester without reimbursement.

Post a qoute from me that is racist by the definition of racism, not because it hurts your feelings as a white person to be shown how you are a racist..

Address my question first.

 

[JQPublic1]

As owners of the means of production in this country,
...

Apologies for cherry-picking - but have you ever stopped to consider what the means of production actually is? Ultimately, it's the human mind.

Ultimately, the means of production is labor whether it be human, robotic or, in nature an insect. The means of human/robotic production may have originated from an idea in the human mind but labor is crucial to the ULTIMATE creation of the thing produced.
Once the means of production have been established, frankly, the originator really isn't needed. All facets of production can comtinue without him/ her. Thats especially true with fully robotic self replicating automation processes.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Racism is not part of human nature.

He is talking about the instinctive suspicion/discomfort with those who are "different."
Or, being from LA, he really DOES think it is part of human nature. LOL

Actually, I am from NY. Anyhoo, my point is you just cannot change what is in some people's hearts. There will always be racists, murderers, thieves, etc.

Welcome to humankind.

We don't tolerate our murderers or thieves, but it is somehow okay to tolerate our racists because of "free speech?"

Yes. Saying/thinking stupid things is a far cry from taking another's life or stealing their property.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have lumped them all together.

I didn't,

 

[IM2]

There will always be racists... you can't change human nature.

Racism is not part of human nature.

He is talking about the instinctive suspicion/discomfort with those who are "different."
Or, being from LA, he really DOES think it is part of human nature. LOL

Actually, I am from NY. Anyhoo, my point is you just cannot change what is in some people's hearts. There will always be racists, murderers, thieves, etc.

Welcome to humankind.

We don't tolerate our murderers or thieves, but it is somehow okay to tolerate our racists because of "free speech?"

Yes. Saying/thinking stupid things is a far cry from taking another's life or stealing their property.

Racism does his too. Racism is more than saying words.

 

[IM2]

White males have no reason the resent anything IMO.

I agree. But it's just an opinion. Clearly, some of them see it differently.

You republicans need to start thinking. You believe in some unreasonable and unfair selfish crap that only benefits whites and whites are not the only citizens of this country.

I'm not a republican. And I don't believe that.

You asked why we aren't making more progress on racism. I gave you an answer. Feel free to ignore it.

And that's the problem. You don't want to believe that but that's what's happening. I didn't ask why for anything, I stated that we need to become better informed.

I stand corrected. You weren't asking, or looking, for discussion. Just telling everyone how it is!

Well, I think you're full of shit.

Yep pretty much like you whites do.

I don't care what you think.

I don't care what you think either, except when you start spreading your pollution. Then I'm going to call you on it.

Pollution has nothing to do with this. You just can't take the truth.

 

[MarathonMike]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.

We were on a good trajectory until Obama began his orchestrated campaign to MAKE AMERICA RACIST AGAIN. I'm surprised he didn't hand out hats.

 

[GHook93]

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States.http://www.demos.org/blog/9/21/17/why-we-are-not-making-progress-against-racism#_edn1 In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.

I just need to ask! Are you dumb or willfully blind?


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[IM2]

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks​

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

You've lost me.

There is a simple reality to the years of overt oppression of blacks in this country hat most do not understand. That is the economic reality of working with no pay from 1618 until 1863 by law, then the reduced income or lack of income caused by he national policy of Apartheid from the end if slavery until 1965 and that's a minimum. Experts have said bacs lost between 6.4-10 trillion dollars of earnings during slavery alone. This is what I am referring to OldLady. The post by Missourian is so inaccurate that it's a waste of time to read. Blacks have not developed any separate and distinct culture any more than any other ethnic group has in this country.

Certain whites want to us slavery to make excuses of what they aren't responsible for. But the issue is more than slavery and who somebody did not own. The issue extends into our lifetimes including right now.

I agree that the issue of slavery and 'apartheid' after certainly has extended into our lifetimes, including right now. I thought Missourian's post was spot on, in describing the problem, anyway. It is pretty rare for people to enter these threads with any understanding of why things are as they are.

Several trillion dollars would sure help the struggling communities that need it. That would go for any group caught in a poverty trap. They aren't all black. I don't know where you think that money is going to come from, or how it is going to be dispersed; my state gave large tracts of land back to the Native Americans, but they didn't have to buy it; they already owned it.

I think there is a separate and distinct subculture at this point, at least among black inner city communities. I think that you and some others here are feeding that on the one hand and then flipping to insist it doesn't exist. That makes no sense to me.

Well I KNOW you are wrong. And this is the problem with white people who think they can evaluate the black community better than blacks who live or work in those communities. You make the usual equivalence agument. No other group in America worked over 200 years for free. All other groups got paid for their labor and were able to build cmmunites that are now generations old, create businesses that gave people earning power and property ownership. If blacks had been able to earn the same amount of money as whites from 1618 until 1863 things would have been far different and would be today. There is no subculture in the black community. I think I would know better than you about this. .

Missourian is wrong for this very simple reason. Blacks fought to be integrated. If we had wanted to have this imaginary subculture it was already there for us and we could have remained segregated. Instead we went t courts, fought, died, got beat up and everything else so that we could be included in the overall American culture. What Missourian said was totally inaccurate based on history and modern fights being waged by blacks right now. You seem to have forgotten what the civil rights fights were for you to even consider any kind pf accuracy in the things Missourian said..

Blacks live with a 24 percent rate of poverty. So when you say backs are caught a poverty trap, you are missing 76 percent of the black peple in America.. We are saying that if not for white racism the rate pf poverty in our communities would be far lower. The other groups are in poverty because they got underpaid. And that's wrong. The history of blacks we that w got NO PAY, then underpaid and still are not equally paid. Yet you try making all these things the same and that's the standard mistake many whites choose to make. I am .black, and I live as part of the black culture. I get really tired and am running low on patience with whites who think they can tell me about the culture and community I exist in and live in everyday. We feed nothing. There is no such subculture and the reason why we don't make sense to you is that you have chosen to believe a made up set of circumstances that do not exist.