A little post mortem

[Rustic]

I've been seeing some pretty interesting analysis on this (of course, the analysis is always easier AFTER the fact).

1. If you had asked the average person, say, 5 or 10 years ago, which party would be closer to being populist and which was closer to being for The Big Guy, I think it's pretty clear that most would have said the Dems were closer to being populist. But somehow the GOP beat the Dems to the punch, and the Dems made it easier by running Hillary. Stunning. And reading Dems sites, they're sure as hell stunned, too.

2. And here's another thing: Chris Matthews (yes, I know) made an interesting point yesterday: You know those concerts with the music superstars for Hillary, like Beyonce and the rest? He wondered if those things drove home the point above, by having them all onstage together in "The Winner's Club" -- all these rich, successful people hugging each other. Maybe stuff like that was a net negative.

3. Finally, now that the dust has settled a bit, I think overall half of us just didn't understand the rage that it took to vote for Trump. Enough rage to ignore his myriad faults and weaknesses and behaviors and words and everything else. THAT is a LOT of rage right there. Obama was not able to deliver on the promises he made overall, and a lot of faith was placed in him. Let's see how Trump responds.

My two cents, worth every penny.
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Problem for Trump is that along with that rage he harnessed, he also created a lot of rage against him

We saw that in yesterdays protests

Those protesters are snowflakes, they will get over it.

I'm afraid it is just the beginning

Wait till Republicans drop people from health insurance. wait until Trump puts boots on the ground

Then you will see real protests

They are not going to drop the health insurance fully they are just gonna get rid of the dumbass mandatory part of it. Mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… Fact

OK Republicans drop that mandatory part of health insurance

How are you going to get insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions?
How are you going to handle people coming to emergency rooms with serious problems?

Ball is in your court Republicans. You just don't get to bitch and complain anymore...you are the ones expected to provide solutions

It has to be a choice to join, otherwise it's legalized extortion…

 

[gipper]

I've been seeing some pretty interesting analysis on this (of course, the analysis is always easier AFTER the fact).

1. If you had asked the average person, say, 5 or 10 years ago, which party would be closer to being populist and which was closer to being for The Big Guy, I think it's pretty clear that most would have said the Dems were closer to being populist. But somehow the GOP beat the Dems to the punch, and the Dems made it easier by running Hillary. Stunning. And reading Dems sites, they're sure as hell stunned, too.

2. And here's another thing: Chris Matthews (yes, I know) made an interesting point yesterday: You know those concerts with the music superstars for Hillary, like Beyonce and the rest? He wondered if those things drove home the point above, by having them all onstage together in "The Winner's Club" -- all these rich, successful people hugging each other. Maybe stuff like that was a net negative.

3. Finally, now that the dust has settled a bit, I think overall half of us just didn't understand the rage that it took to vote for Trump. Enough rage to ignore his myriad faults and weaknesses and behaviors and words and everything else. THAT is a LOT of rage right there. Obama was not able to deliver on the promises he made overall, and a lot of faith was placed in him. Let's see how Trump responds.

My two cents, worth every penny.
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We need a postmortem on Obama's failed presidency. Remember 8 years ago many Americans were full of hope, but what we got was nothing but shit. I expect the same of Trump, but have a sliver of hope that he will do better than Big Ears.

 

[rightwinger]

Problem for Trump is that along with that rage he harnessed, he also created a lot of rage against him

We saw that in yesterdays protests

Those protesters are snowflakes, they will get over it.

I'm afraid it is just the beginning

Wait till Republicans drop people from health insurance. wait until Trump puts boots on the ground

Then you will see real protests

They are not going to drop the health insurance fully they are just gonna get rid of the dumbass mandatory part of it. Mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… Fact

OK Republicans drop that mandatory part of health insurance

How are you going to get insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions?
How are you going to handle people coming to emergency rooms with serious problems?

Ball is in your court Republicans. You just don't get to bitch and complain anymore...you are the ones expected to provide solutions

It has to be a choice to join, otherwise it's legalized extortion…

Well that is the Republicans problem to figure out now

Drop mandatory insurance and you have no way to cover those with pre-existing conditions
Drop mandatory insurance and we have millions of uninsured showing up in emergency rooms

 

[Darkwind]

I think overall half of us just didn't understand the rage that it took to vote for Trump. Enough rage to ignore his myriad faults and weaknesses and behaviors and words and everything else. THAT is a LOT of rage right there..

Says a Hillary supporter..

I voted for her because I found Trump even more repulsive than her.

Maybe you could just comment on the point made.
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Self awareness, mac...
You cant understand, yet, you voted for govt mandated corruption, 1% support and fascist war mongering. GIVE ME A BREAK.
You have written a thread on this very subject yet YOU cant understand from the other side? You are a goddamn joke.

And you voted for Donald Trump, a person as equally repulsive and possibly just as corrupt. Time will tell with regard to the latter.

I don't think you should be holding yourself above Mac.....

 

[TNHarley]

I think overall half of us just didn't understand the rage that it took to vote for Trump. Enough rage to ignore his myriad faults and weaknesses and behaviors and words and everything else. THAT is a LOT of rage right there..

Says a Hillary supporter..

I voted for her because I found Trump even more repulsive than her.

Maybe you could just comment on the point made.
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Self awareness, mac...
You cant understand, yet, you voted for govt mandated corruption, 1% support and fascist war mongering. GIVE ME A BREAK.
You have written a thread on this very subject yet YOU cant understand from the other side? You are a goddamn joke.

And you voted for Donald Trump, a person as equally repulsive and possibly just as corrupt. Time will tell with regard to the latter.

I don't think you should be holding yourself above Mac.....

I didn't vote for him. But thanks anyways
And besides, I am referring to his lack of self awareness..

 

[Mac1958]

Just heard Limbaugh brag that the GOP has more power now than any time since the 1920's.

The 1920's.

Is he sure he wants to bring that up?
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[Uncensored2008]

I've been seeing some pretty interesting analysis on this (of course, the analysis is always easier AFTER the fact).

1. If you had asked the average person, say, 5 or 10 years ago, which party would be closer to being populist and which was closer to being for The Big Guy, I think it's pretty clear that most would have said the Dems were closer to being populist. But somehow the GOP beat the Dems to the punch, and the Dems made it easier by running Hillary. Stunning. And reading Dems sites, they're sure as hell stunned, too.

2. And here's another thing: Chris Matthews (yes, I know) made an interesting point yesterday: You know those concerts with the music superstars for Hillary, like Beyonce and the rest? He wondered if those things drove home the point above, by having them all onstage together in "The Winner's Club" -- all these rich, successful people hugging each other. Maybe stuff like that was a net negative.

3. Finally, now that the dust has settled a bit, I think overall half of us just didn't understand the rage that it took to vote for Trump. Enough rage to ignore his myriad faults and weaknesses and behaviors and words and everything else. THAT is a LOT of rage right there. Obama was not able to deliver on the promises he made overall, and a lot of faith was placed in him. Let's see how Trump responds.

My two cents, worth every penny.
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I agree that Hillary was the candidate for the 1%, just as Obama was president for ONLY the 1%

 

[Mac1958]

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[Uncensored2008]

Nice post Mort there, but you forgot a group and it's the group that likely got trump over the top. Those would be the folks who don't trust him on policy. He has basically flip-flopped on all the issues he supported just last year. He is also picking people for his cabinet who mostly caused all the issues Americans are mad about. this is the group who didn't vote trump as much as they voted "not hillary". Like Obama President elect Trump has made a good many promises. The wall got him in the news, then Obama care repeal, making company's come back and so on. ya, it's to early way to early to be getting heart burn over this stuff, but I'm worried that all the trumping are to busy basking in Trump jizz that they won't hold him accountable when the wall ain't built and ACA is still the law of the land. The rage you speak of comes mostly from the left from what I have seen.

Your perspective, as an obviously bitter partisan, is slanted. But yo do have point that most who voted for Trump were really voting against corruption. Hillary of course is the epitome of corruption, the manifestation of government by crook. 8 long years of nonstop graft, pay to play, jailing reporters who ran stories against the administration or the party, siccing the IRS on political enemies, using the Department of Corruption to to intimidate banks who had business with enemies of the administration in the Operation Choke Point racketeering scheme.

America is tired of a third world type government that is corrupt to the core. Tuesday was not a vote for Trump, you are right, it was the rejection of corruption. I don't think the party grasps this.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Problem for Trump is that along with that rage he harnessed, he also created a lot of rage against him

We saw that in yesterdays protests




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You Communists have been inciting riots for years.

Ferguson anyone?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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I'm afraid it is just the beginning

Wait till Republicans drop people from health insurance. wait until Trump puts boots on the ground

Then you will see real protests

Obamacare is imploding, with no help from Trump.

While you will do all you can to incite violence, you ARE Communists after all, Obamacare is purely on your filthy party.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We need a postmortem on Obama's failed presidency. Remember 8 years ago many Americans were full of hope, but what we got was nothing but shit. I expect the same of Trump, but have a sliver of hope that he will do better than Big Ears.

Doing better than Obama is setting the bar EXTREMELY low.

 

[rightwinger]

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I'm afraid it is just the beginning

Wait till Republicans drop people from health insurance. wait until Trump puts boots on the ground

Then you will see real protests

Obamacare is imploding, with no help from Trump.

While you will do all you can to incite violence, you ARE Communists after all, Obamacare is purely on your filthy party.

Its the Republicans problem to fix now

 

[Tom Horn]

OK Republicans drop that mandatory part of health insurance

How are you going to get insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions?
How are you going to handle people coming to emergency rooms with serious problems?

Ball is in your court Republicans. You just don't get to bitch and complain anymore...you are the ones expected to provide solutions

We'll keep and probably expand Medicaid for the indigent. How to require insurance companies to cover preexisting injury and illness is hard to know.....it's a crazy proposition to ask of them. For working Americans, the end of Barry-Care will mean a return to a 40-hour work week and competition for their insurance dollar... no more regional monopolies...that's over with. A California company will be able to compete with rate and deductible in Michigan or Tennessee. The trial lawyers are going to take a major hit because doctors will no longer be required to over-test a patient for fear of getting sued if they miss something. And medicare and medicaid FRAUD must finally be addressed and some people getting frog-marched out of their high-rises in leg-chains. Clean it up, lean it out, and see what works and what doesn't. I've always believed in government-run clinics scattered around the country and staffed by doctors fresh out of school to serve their residencies. And put them in both the inner-cities and the suburbs so there's no stigma attached to going to a free clinic. That takes the onus off the ERs. And BTW, a return to community hospitals instead of for-profits worked fine before the 1980's. I've never believed healthcare should be a profitable enterprise any more than police and fire protection would be.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Its the Republicans problem to fix now

That doesn't alter the fact that this is a disaster caused by the democratic - socialists.

What will replace the failed Obamacare fiasco is this;

https://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-PolicyPaper.pdf

 

[rightwinger]

OK Republicans drop that mandatory part of health insurance

How are you going to get insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions?
How are you going to handle people coming to emergency rooms with serious problems?

Ball is in your court Republicans. You just don't get to bitch and complain anymore...you are the ones expected to provide solutions

We'll keep and probably expand Medicaid for the indigent. How to require insurance companies to cover preexisting injury and illness is hard to know.....it's a crazy proposition to ask of them. For working Americans, the end of Barry-Care will mean a return to a 40-hour work week and competition for their insurance dollar... no more regional monopolies...that's over with. A California company will be able to compete with rate and deductible in Michigan or Tennessee. The trial lawyers are going to take a major hit because doctors will no longer be required to over-test a patient for fear of getting sued if they miss something. And medicare and medicaid FRAUD must finally be addressed and some people getting frog-marched out of their high-rises in leg-chains. Clean it up, lean it out, and see what works and what doesn't. I've always believed in government-run clinics scattered around the country and staffed by doctors fresh out of school to serve their residencies. And put them in both the inner-cities and the suburbs so there's no stigma attached to going to a free clinic. That takes the onus off the ERs. And BTW, a return to community hospitals instead of for-profits worked fine before the 1980's. I've never believed healthcare should be a profitable enterprise any more than police and fire protection would be.

Interstate competition is not as easy as writing a law

Most of the impediments right now are being imposed by states which establish strict rules and regulations to sell insurance in their state
Secondly, selling health insurance is not as easy as setting up a website that says "Cheap Insurance"
You must set up networks with doctors and pharmacies in EVERY state. Not an easy thing to do

 

[Tom Horn]

Interstate competition is not as easy as writing a law

Most of the impediments right now are being imposed by states which establish strict rules and regulations to sell insurance in their state
Secondly, selling health insurance is not as easy as setting up a website that says "Cheap Insurance"
You must set up networks with doctors and pharmacies in EVERY state. Not an easy thing to do

Well, nobody will spend TWO BILLION DOLLARS on a website like your First Lady's pal charged us. Nobody said this will be easy or the lazy democrats would have done it long ago. The industry knows how to adapt...this is the beginning of the end of government trying to pick one-size-fits-all. And it's about time destructive behavior is addressed in insurance rates. A yearly physical to set premium and deductible rate is coming...if you're obese or drink like a fish, you're going to pay more.

 

[rightwinger]

Interstate competition is not as easy as writing a law

Most of the impediments right now are being imposed by states which establish strict rules and regulations to sell insurance in their state
Secondly, selling health insurance is not as easy as setting up a website that says "Cheap Insurance"
You must set up networks with doctors and pharmacies in EVERY state. Not an easy thing to do

Well, nobody will spend TWO BILLION DOLLARS on a website like your First Lady's pal charged us. Nobody said this will be easy or the lazy democrats would have done it long ago. The industry knows how to adapt...this is the beginning of the end of government trying to pick one-size-fits-all. And it's about time destructive behavior is addressed in insurance rates. A yearly physical to set premium and deductible rate is coming...if you're obese or drink like a fish, you're going to pay more.

Of course the Republicans will do better. They have had seven years to develop a plan that is better than Obamacare

If Obamacare is such a disaster why can't they deliver a plan that:

1. Covers pre-existing conditions
2. Is affordable
3. Covers those who have low incomes
4. Eliminates the fallback of emergency rooms as healthcare providers for those without insurance

Ball is in Republicans court once they repeal Obamacare. It would be nice to know their plans before they pull the plug wouldn't it?

 

[whitehall]

Forget analysis. Look at the left wing yellow journalism. The Daily News calls America under Trump "a house of horrors" and angry (socialist) lefties lynched an effigy of Trump in the street and chanted "not my president" even though they must be aware, even for the low information democrat base, that Trump won fair and square. Hillary's tearful request to view Trump "with an open mind" apparently went unheeded and the Obama administration doesn't seem to care one way or another as long as Obama can find time for a golf game.

 

[Mac1958]

Interstate competition is not as easy as writing a law

Most of the impediments right now are being imposed by states which establish strict rules and regulations to sell insurance in their state
Secondly, selling health insurance is not as easy as setting up a website that says "Cheap Insurance"
You must set up networks with doctors and pharmacies in EVERY state. Not an easy thing to do

Well, nobody will spend TWO BILLION DOLLARS on a website like your First Lady's pal charged us. Nobody said this will be easy or the lazy democrats would have done it long ago. The industry knows how to adapt...this is the beginning of the end of government trying to pick one-size-fits-all. And it's about time destructive behavior is addressed in insurance rates. A yearly physical to set premium and deductible rate is coming...if you're obese or drink like a fish, you're going to pay more.

Of course the Republicans will do better. They have had seven years to develop a plan that is better than Obamacare

If Obamacare is such a disaster why can't they deliver a plan that:

1. Covers pre-existing conditions
2. Is affordable
3. Covers those who have low incomes
4. Eliminates the fallback of emergency rooms as healthcare providers for those without insurance

Ball is in Republicans court once they repeal Obamacare. It would be nice to know their plans before they pull the plug wouldn't it?

If you can't get coverage due to pre-existing conditions, or if you can't afford coverage, you can just decay until you have to go to the emergency room, where the hospital can eat your costs. Or spend yourself down into Medicaid territory, where you become a ward of the state.

Or go to a church, maybe, and they can pray for you.

Either way, too bad.
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