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In my mind, he did. Unfortunately, the Democrats take it the same way and they really expressed the sentiment.
Because we've strayed so far from our original values and principles, we've forgotten that if the founders had boiled America down to a single word, it would be Liberty. How can you have Liberty when you conflate citizenship with the unalienable Rights like Liberty?
There is a term in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It is where a person can hold two opposing views at the same time. How do we talk about equality and Freedom on one hand, while on the other, presuming that Liberty is connected to citizenship and we should only allow the rich and the educated the opportunity to come here?
In my mind, the equation is upside down. We hand out citizenship as if it were candy and then make much ado about people coming in from south of the border. The nearly one million new citizens we naturalize each year end up on the left, then having a disproportionate representation in Congress, and working to change America into a socialist democracy. We should cut back on naturalization, urge states to refrain from sharing the benefits and privileges of citizenship with non-citizens, and get out of the lives of individuals and business on this issue. Of course, in order to understand why, you would have to go back to post # 1 and read the contents of the first link.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
Having people live here and not be citizens and thus not have the rights of citizens,
sounds like YOU are conflating citizenship with rights.
EVERYBODY has unalienable Rights. The benefits and privileges of citizenship (voting, getting welfare, Socialist Security, etc.) are NOT Rights. Clearly you are confused on this. Citizenship is a privilege - not a guarantee nor a prerequisite for unalienable Rights.
For non citizens, being here is a privilege. If they are here, their children will be born here and they will be citizens and get all those benefits, in a generation anyways.
Partially true, but only because the average American will not examine the historical facts. The 14th Amendment was never legally ratified. Most people think that the immigration issue is what drives me to oppose the enforcement of that travesty, but it certainly is not.
Let's take this issue:
Even in a very liberal rendering of the First Amendment, it says "Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
When those words were penned, the people were already overwhelmingly Christian, so nobody needed to establish a religion. Jews financed the War of Independence, invested in the creation of the Republic, etc. but they were never citizens. It didn't stop them from participating in the free market. The point is Congress (the federal Congress) could not pass a law respecting the establishment of a religion. That Amendment could not be construed to impact what already existed; it had NO bearing on the states; it did not limit the people.
So, what happened that allowed the federal government to violate the First Amendment, as intended, and impose a mythical "separation of church and state" on the states (i.e. as in matters like education and marriage) ? That would be the 14th Amendment, of course. Oh yeah, there is a separation of church and state... just as fairies and Santa Claus, along with pro-wrestling are real. The government decides what constitutes a church, where they may assemble to worship, and what tenets of faith to follow lest they lose their non profit status. AND, if my critics on this thread had their way, THEY think they get to determine what constitutes a Christian and what doesn't! All of that exists, along with birthright citizenship due to the 14th Amendment.
We do have the authority to nullify that travesty.
Even if we were to revoke the 14th, or at least the silly interpretation of it we currently use, that is no reason to welcome people here that we don't want to welcome.
I wonder what "Christian Principle" anti miscegenation laws were supposed to uphold?
I wonder what "Christian Principle" anti miscegenation laws were supposed to uphold?
Since you're one of those smart asses that wants to falsely proclaim America a secular nation, let's try it your way. I'm sick of your B.S. so man up to the plate secularist and explain how your heroes wrote about Liberty, but kept slaves. Please do give us the straight skinny how atheists, secularists, etc. justify it. Be our guest.
..Let me remind everyone that America was founded as a Christian nation.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances -
only in your dreams ... not to mention christianity is a political agenda disguised as a religion.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
Post # 17
THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BIBLE
In post # 2, I cited the state constitutions requiring one to be a Christian in order to hold elective office and in the ending paragraph, we discussed Article VI Paragraph III of the U.S. Constitution which requires all U.S. Senators and Representatives to be bound by an Oath or Affirmation. This is an oath, NOT a test (which would be prohibited.)
It seems pretty clear that the framers had no objection to the states requiring their politicians to be Christians. The other question is, can we find implications that the Constitution has biblical connections therein?
If you look at the early state constitutions Maryland had a tax "for the support of the Christian religion." Funny thing, THAT was not attacked by the framers in the Constitution, so there is lot to be said about what is NOT in the Constitution. NOTHING in the Constitution hampers the states from requiring their politicians to be Christians NOR taxing the people to educate the people regarding the Christian religion.
In a letter to Rev. Jasper Adams in 1833 regarding the "relations" Christianity has with the social, civil, and political "institutions" of America, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:
"No person, I believe questions in importance of religion to the happiness of man even during the existence of this world... The American population is entirely Christian & with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed if, with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity & did not refer to it exhibit relations with it"
I mention that because it is one man's opinion (just as Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was a private letter, neither of which are mandatory or even persuasive authority in a court of law.) BTW, Jefferson's separation of church and state means 180 degrees opposite of what the left claims.
Somewhere in the middle is the answer and I will continue to point these things out. There will be more posts on the biblical references in the Constitution.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
your 1st two posts were read, no different than your other winded posts used to disguise the fact the written document, u s constitution, the document itself is the final arbitrator of the fact the nation was founded as a secular nation with the preservation of religious freedom as a caveat to your supposed christian founding fathers.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...
the facts are they did all they could during that time period to remove any aspect of religious doctrine from the "establishment" of their new government.
If we start with some of America's founding documents, we begin to get a picture of what we mean when we say America was founded as Christian nation. In the Declaration of Independence, we find these words:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
are you aware there is no where to be found in the u s constitution a reference to equality, maybe it is your domination over women and foreigners to make into slaves as your true guiding light. christian.
You're a real hoot that would feel like the idiot that you just proved yourself to be. You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about. I'm looking for people to get involved in this conversation, not start a pissing match with me. I did that with one poster, indulging him in 366 posts before getting the message.
When you complain about the size of posts, it only says you're too lazy to read. Bottom line here: EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED AND SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED IN THE PREVIOUS 850 + POSTS.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about.
I wonder what "Christian Principle" anti miscegenation laws were supposed to uphold?
Since you're one of those smart asses that wants to falsely proclaim America a secular nation, let's try it your way. I'm sick of your B.S. so man up to the plate secularist and explain how your heroes wrote about Liberty, but kept slaves. Please do give us the straight skinny how atheists, secularists, etc. justify it. Be our guest.
You're the one claiming the Founding Fathers were Christians. You have some 'splainin' to do. I never said they are my heroes, by the way. Anyways, here's what really sparked the American Revolution. Too long to post it here.
The Causes of the Revolution of 1776
Excerpt from "Our Enemy, the State" by Albert Jay Nock (1935)
The Causes of the Revolution of 1776 | Albert Jay Nock
..Let me remind everyone that America was founded as a Christian nation.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances -
only in your dreams ... not to mention christianity is a political agenda disguised as a religion.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
Post # 17
THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BIBLE
In post # 2, I cited the state constitutions requiring one to be a Christian in order to hold elective office and in the ending paragraph, we discussed Article VI Paragraph III of the U.S. Constitution which requires all U.S. Senators and Representatives to be bound by an Oath or Affirmation. This is an oath, NOT a test (which would be prohibited.)
It seems pretty clear that the framers had no objection to the states requiring their politicians to be Christians. The other question is, can we find implications that the Constitution has biblical connections therein?
If you look at the early state constitutions Maryland had a tax "for the support of the Christian religion." Funny thing, THAT was not attacked by the framers in the Constitution, so there is lot to be said about what is NOT in the Constitution. NOTHING in the Constitution hampers the states from requiring their politicians to be Christians NOR taxing the people to educate the people regarding the Christian religion.
In a letter to Rev. Jasper Adams in 1833 regarding the "relations" Christianity has with the social, civil, and political "institutions" of America, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:
"No person, I believe questions in importance of religion to the happiness of man even during the existence of this world... The American population is entirely Christian & with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed if, with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity & did not refer to it exhibit relations with it"
I mention that because it is one man's opinion (just as Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was a private letter, neither of which are mandatory or even persuasive authority in a court of law.) BTW, Jefferson's separation of church and state means 180 degrees opposite of what the left claims.
Somewhere in the middle is the answer and I will continue to point these things out. There will be more posts on the biblical references in the Constitution.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
your 1st two posts were read, no different than your other winded posts used to disguise the fact the written document, u s constitution, the document itself is the final arbitrator of the fact the nation was founded as a secular nation with the preservation of religious freedom as a caveat to your supposed christian founding fathers.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...
the facts are they did all they could during that time period to remove any aspect of religious doctrine from the "establishment" of their new government.
If we start with some of America's founding documents, we begin to get a picture of what we mean when we say America was founded as Christian nation. In the Declaration of Independence, we find these words:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
are you aware there is no where to be found in the u s constitution a reference to equality, maybe it is your domination over women and foreigners to make into slaves as your true guiding light. christian.
You're a real hoot that would feel like the idiot that you just proved yourself to be. You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about. I'm looking for people to get involved in this conversation, not start a pissing match with me. I did that with one poster, indulging him in 366 posts before getting the message.
When you complain about the size of posts, it only says you're too lazy to read. Bottom line here: EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED AND SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED IN THE PREVIOUS 850 + POSTS.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
Women's suffrage is the right of women to vote in elections. Beginning in the late 19th century, besides women working for broad-based economic and political equality and for social reforms, women sought to change voting laws to allow them to vote.
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote.
...............
sorry slick, "As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation" makes you a misogynist. you lost that one as well ...
you'll need to repeal the 19th along with your hated 14th while your at it.
You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about.
christian's are not known for their bashfulness till they run away and no, I am not a christian and you are an example of the distortion of that religion and the message of the 1st century - as is the under lying intent of your thread.
I quoted Thomas Jefferson from an unnamed source in an online general conversation.
Had you read the thread, I proved you wrong about Jefferson as well. Ignorance is bliss, brother and you seem to enjoy it.
2) NOTFOOLEDBYW seized upon that accusing me of posting a lie; even claiming that I edited my source. I did not.
See Post #537 for full reading of my explanation.To Charles Thomson Monticello, January 9, 1816. I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man,
I did, however, look at where my source got their material and I quoted where it could be found. I did not lie
3) Regardless of how that material reads, the bottom line is Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian and I took him at his word as his early life indicates such.
...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances -
only in your dreams ... not to mention christianity is a political agenda disguised as a religion.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
Post # 17
THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BIBLE
In post # 2, I cited the state constitutions requiring one to be a Christian in order to hold elective office and in the ending paragraph, we discussed Article VI Paragraph III of the U.S. Constitution which requires all U.S. Senators and Representatives to be bound by an Oath or Affirmation. This is an oath, NOT a test (which would be prohibited.)
It seems pretty clear that the framers had no objection to the states requiring their politicians to be Christians. The other question is, can we find implications that the Constitution has biblical connections therein?
If you look at the early state constitutions Maryland had a tax "for the support of the Christian religion." Funny thing, THAT was not attacked by the framers in the Constitution, so there is lot to be said about what is NOT in the Constitution. NOTHING in the Constitution hampers the states from requiring their politicians to be Christians NOR taxing the people to educate the people regarding the Christian religion.
In a letter to Rev. Jasper Adams in 1833 regarding the "relations" Christianity has with the social, civil, and political "institutions" of America, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:
"No person, I believe questions in importance of religion to the happiness of man even during the existence of this world... The American population is entirely Christian & with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed if, with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity & did not refer to it exhibit relations with it"
I mention that because it is one man's opinion (just as Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was a private letter, neither of which are mandatory or even persuasive authority in a court of law.) BTW, Jefferson's separation of church and state means 180 degrees opposite of what the left claims.
Somewhere in the middle is the answer and I will continue to point these things out. There will be more posts on the biblical references in the Constitution.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
your 1st two posts were read, no different than your other winded posts used to disguise the fact the written document, u s constitution, the document itself is the final arbitrator of the fact the nation was founded as a secular nation with the preservation of religious freedom as a caveat to your supposed christian founding fathers.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...
the facts are they did all they could during that time period to remove any aspect of religious doctrine from the "establishment" of their new government.
If we start with some of America's founding documents, we begin to get a picture of what we mean when we say America was founded as Christian nation. In the Declaration of Independence, we find these words:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
are you aware there is no where to be found in the u s constitution a reference to equality, maybe it is your domination over women and foreigners to make into slaves as your true guiding light. christian.
You're a real hoot that would feel like the idiot that you just proved yourself to be. You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about. I'm looking for people to get involved in this conversation, not start a pissing match with me. I did that with one poster, indulging him in 366 posts before getting the message.
When you complain about the size of posts, it only says you're too lazy to read. Bottom line here: EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED AND SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED IN THE PREVIOUS 850 + POSTS.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
Women's suffrage is the right of women to vote in elections. Beginning in the late 19th century, besides women working for broad-based economic and political equality and for social reforms, women sought to change voting laws to allow them to vote.
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote.
...............
sorry slick, "As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation" makes you a misogynist. you lost that one as well ...
you'll need to repeal the 19th along with your hated 14th while your at it.
You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about.
christian's are not known for their bashfulness till they run away and no, I am not a christian and you are an example of the distortion of that religion and the message of the 1st century - as is the under lying intent of your thread.
Bite me. I don't read multi quotes. They are posted by desperate illiterates that want to argue and have nothing to bring to the table. I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you. Just a few years ago people only talked smack like you do if they wanted to go around to the back of the barn. You're a coward. You accuse me of running, but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage. Instead, you troll from the comfort and safety of your keyboard so you can be anonymous and unaccountable.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention. If you cannot read the first post and reply accordingly, you're just here to stir the pot. It just means you are another sockpuppet or you are a coward.
but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage.
I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention.
. you sure as hell have not responded to content is that your normal operandi.you're just here to stir the pot.
...It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
Post # 17
THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BIBLE
In post # 2, I cited the state constitutions requiring one to be a Christian in order to hold elective office and in the ending paragraph, we discussed Article VI Paragraph III of the U.S. Constitution which requires all U.S. Senators and Representatives to be bound by an Oath or Affirmation. This is an oath, NOT a test (which would be prohibited.)
It seems pretty clear that the framers had no objection to the states requiring their politicians to be Christians. The other question is, can we find implications that the Constitution has biblical connections therein?
If you look at the early state constitutions Maryland had a tax "for the support of the Christian religion." Funny thing, THAT was not attacked by the framers in the Constitution, so there is lot to be said about what is NOT in the Constitution. NOTHING in the Constitution hampers the states from requiring their politicians to be Christians NOR taxing the people to educate the people regarding the Christian religion.
In a letter to Rev. Jasper Adams in 1833 regarding the "relations" Christianity has with the social, civil, and political "institutions" of America, Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:
"No person, I believe questions in importance of religion to the happiness of man even during the existence of this world... The American population is entirely Christian & with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed if, with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity & did not refer to it exhibit relations with it"
I mention that because it is one man's opinion (just as Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was a private letter, neither of which are mandatory or even persuasive authority in a court of law.) BTW, Jefferson's separation of church and state means 180 degrees opposite of what the left claims.
Somewhere in the middle is the answer and I will continue to point these things out. There will be more posts on the biblical references in the Constitution.
It would be nice if some of you illiterate political propaganda prostitutes would do me the courtesy of READING at least the first two posts and the links. Otherwise, this is democrat nonsense disguised as a reply. Let's help the newest troll out.
your 1st two posts were read, no different than your other winded posts used to disguise the fact the written document, u s constitution, the document itself is the final arbitrator of the fact the nation was founded as a secular nation with the preservation of religious freedom as a caveat to your supposed christian founding fathers.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...
the facts are they did all they could during that time period to remove any aspect of religious doctrine from the "establishment" of their new government.
If we start with some of America's founding documents, we begin to get a picture of what we mean when we say America was founded as Christian nation. In the Declaration of Independence, we find these words:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
are you aware there is no where to be found in the u s constitution a reference to equality, maybe it is your domination over women and foreigners to make into slaves as your true guiding light. christian.
You're a real hoot that would feel like the idiot that you just proved yourself to be. You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about. I'm looking for people to get involved in this conversation, not start a pissing match with me. I did that with one poster, indulging him in 366 posts before getting the message.
When you complain about the size of posts, it only says you're too lazy to read. Bottom line here: EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED AND SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED IN THE PREVIOUS 850 + POSTS.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
Women's suffrage is the right of women to vote in elections. Beginning in the late 19th century, besides women working for broad-based economic and political equality and for social reforms, women sought to change voting laws to allow them to vote.
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote.
...............
sorry slick, "As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation" makes you a misogynist. you lost that one as well ...
you'll need to repeal the 19th along with your hated 14th while your at it.
You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about.
christian's are not known for their bashfulness till they run away and no, I am not a christian and you are an example of the distortion of that religion and the message of the 1st century - as is the under lying intent of your thread.
Bite me. I don't read multi quotes. They are posted by desperate illiterates that want to argue and have nothing to bring to the table. I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you. Just a few years ago people only talked smack like you do if they wanted to go around to the back of the barn. You're a coward. You accuse me of running, but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage. Instead, you troll from the comfort and safety of your keyboard so you can be anonymous and unaccountable.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention. If you cannot read the first post and reply accordingly, you're just here to stir the pot. It just means you are another sockpuppet or you are a coward.
but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage.
why would I pm you - the post is for everyone to read, not sent to your back alley ...
I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you.
perceptions can be confusing ...
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention.
you're just here to stir the pot.
- and your not -
FOR THE RECORD: I was absolutely correct that Porter Rockwell was misquoting Jefferson.
#917.I quoted Thomas Jefferson from an unnamed source in an online general conversation.
Actually Porter Rockwell was using a misquote to prove he was right and insult my intelligence. It was not a general conversation.
#86 to #78Had you read the thread, I proved you wrong about Jefferson as well. Ignorance is bliss, brother and you seem to enjoy it.
Porter Rockwell posts a misquote of
the third President of the United States to represent Jefferson as something he never was his entire adult life, and I’m the bad guy for posting the truth.
#917.2) NOTFOOLEDBYW seized upon that accusing me of posting a lie; even claiming that I edited my source. I did not.
FOR THE RECORD: I properly advised Porter Rockwell of the full in context quote and the letter and date in which it was written in Post #537.See Post #537 for full reading of my explanation.To Charles Thomson Monticello, January 9, 1816. I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man,
Porter Rockwell claims to have checked his source material, but continues to stand by the fake quote’s false meaning and the misquote.
#917.I did, however, look at where my source got their material and I quoted where it could be found. I did not lie
At a certain point Porter Rockwell had to realize that I was right and his source had doctored the quote.
The “tell” is: 3) Regardless of how that material reads
#917.3) Regardless of how that material reads, the bottom line is Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian and I took him at his word as his early life indicates such.
FOR THE RECORD: I am not the liar here, when forced to defend my integrity I will do it.
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your 1st two posts were read, no different than your other winded posts used to disguise the fact the written document, u s constitution, the document itself is the final arbitrator of the fact the nation was founded as a secular nation with the preservation of religious freedom as a caveat to your supposed christian founding fathers.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...
the facts are they did all they could during that time period to remove any aspect of religious doctrine from the "establishment" of their new government.
are you aware there is no where to be found in the u s constitution a reference to equality, maybe it is your domination over women and foreigners to make into slaves as your true guiding light. christian.
You're a real hoot that would feel like the idiot that you just proved yourself to be. You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about. I'm looking for people to get involved in this conversation, not start a pissing match with me. I did that with one poster, indulging him in 366 posts before getting the message.
When you complain about the size of posts, it only says you're too lazy to read. Bottom line here: EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED AND SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED IN THE PREVIOUS 850 + POSTS.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
Women's suffrage is the right of women to vote in elections. Beginning in the late 19th century, besides women working for broad-based economic and political equality and for social reforms, women sought to change voting laws to allow them to vote.
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote.
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sorry slick, "As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation" makes you a misogynist. you lost that one as well ...
you'll need to repeal the 19th along with your hated 14th while your at it.
You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about.
christian's are not known for their bashfulness till they run away and no, I am not a christian and you are an example of the distortion of that religion and the message of the 1st century - as is the under lying intent of your thread.
Bite me. I don't read multi quotes. They are posted by desperate illiterates that want to argue and have nothing to bring to the table. I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you. Just a few years ago people only talked smack like you do if they wanted to go around to the back of the barn. You're a coward. You accuse me of running, but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage. Instead, you troll from the comfort and safety of your keyboard so you can be anonymous and unaccountable.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention. If you cannot read the first post and reply accordingly, you're just here to stir the pot. It just means you are another sockpuppet or you are a coward.
but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage.
why would I pm you - the post is for everyone to read, not sent to your back alley ...
I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you.
perceptions can be confusing ...
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention.
you're just here to stir the pot.
- and your not -
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
...You're a real hoot that would feel like the idiot that you just proved yourself to be. You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about. I'm looking for people to get involved in this conversation, not start a pissing match with me. I did that with one poster, indulging him in 366 posts before getting the message.
When you complain about the size of posts, it only says you're too lazy to read. Bottom line here: EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED AND SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED IN THE PREVIOUS 850 + POSTS.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
That remark about my "domination over women" gets you one response from me: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you desperate, ignorant, waste of life. You are wrong and anyone that wants to know which posts to look in can PM me. You and I are done here.
Women's suffrage is the right of women to vote in elections. Beginning in the late 19th century, besides women working for broad-based economic and political equality and for social reforms, women sought to change voting laws to allow them to vote.
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote.
...............
sorry slick, "As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation" makes you a misogynist. you lost that one as well ...
you'll need to repeal the 19th along with your hated 14th while your at it.
You are not fit to judge me and we don't have a Hell of lot to talk about.
christian's are not known for their bashfulness till they run away and no, I am not a christian and you are an example of the distortion of that religion and the message of the 1st century - as is the under lying intent of your thread.
Bite me. I don't read multi quotes. They are posted by desperate illiterates that want to argue and have nothing to bring to the table. I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you. Just a few years ago people only talked smack like you do if they wanted to go around to the back of the barn. You're a coward. You accuse me of running, but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage. Instead, you troll from the comfort and safety of your keyboard so you can be anonymous and unaccountable.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention. If you cannot read the first post and reply accordingly, you're just here to stir the pot. It just means you are another sockpuppet or you are a coward.
but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage.
why would I pm you - the post is for everyone to read, not sent to your back alley ...
I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you.
perceptions can be confusing ...
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention.
you're just here to stir the pot.
- and your not -
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
it serves a purpose, learn to read.
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Women's suffrage is the right of women to vote in elections. Beginning in the late 19th century, besides women working for broad-based economic and political equality and for social reforms, women sought to change voting laws to allow them to vote.
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote.
...............
sorry slick, "As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation" makes you a misogynist. you lost that one as well ...
you'll need to repeal the 19th along with your hated 14th while your at it.
christian's are not known for their bashfulness till they run away and no, I am not a christian and you are an example of the distortion of that religion and the message of the 1st century - as is the under lying intent of your thread.
Bite me. I don't read multi quotes. They are posted by desperate illiterates that want to argue and have nothing to bring to the table. I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you. Just a few years ago people only talked smack like you do if they wanted to go around to the back of the barn. You're a coward. You accuse me of running, but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage. Instead, you troll from the comfort and safety of your keyboard so you can be anonymous and unaccountable.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention. If you cannot read the first post and reply accordingly, you're just here to stir the pot. It just means you are another sockpuppet or you are a coward.
but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage.
why would I pm you - the post is for everyone to read, not sent to your back alley ...
I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you.
perceptions can be confusing ...
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention.
you're just here to stir the pot.
- and your not -
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
it serves a purpose, learn to read.
They serve a purpose for cowards, people with OCD and illiterates that want a pissing match. I guess we can add dumbasses to the list. If you have nothing relevant to the thread, we should part company here.
They serve a purpose for cowards, people with OCD and illiterates that want a pissing match.
If you have nothing relevant to the thread, we should part company here.
UPDATED NOTFOOLEDBYW - YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR. SEE THE UPDATES THAT PROVE SAME.
#936 reply to #933UPDATED NOTFOOLEDBYW - YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR. SEE THE UPDATES THAT PROVE SAME.
FOR THE RECORD: Peter Rockwell cannot respond to Post #929 and the truthful explanation that I have provided there.
FOR THE RECORD: I was absolutely correct that Porter Rockwell was misquoting Jefferson.
#917.I quoted Thomas Jefferson from an unnamed source in an online general conversation.
Actually Porter Rockwell was using a misquote to prove he was right and insult my intelligence. It was not a general conversation.
#86 to #78Had you read the thread, I proved you wrong about Jefferson as well. Ignorance is bliss, brother and you seem to enjoy it.
Porter Rockwell posts a misquote of
the third President of the United States to represent Jefferson as something he never was his entire adult life, and I’m the bad guy for posting the truth.
#917.2) NOTFOOLEDBYW seized upon that accusing me of posting a lie; even claiming that I edited my source. I did not.
FOR THE RECORD: I properly advised Porter Rockwell of the full in context quote and the letter and date in which it was written in Post #537.See Post #537 for full reading of my explanation.To Charles Thomson Monticello, January 9, 1816. I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man,
Porter Rockwell claims to have checked his source material, but continues to stand by the fake quote’s false meaning and the misquote.
#917.I did, however, look at where my source got their material and I quoted where it could be found. I did not lie
At a certain point Porter Rockwell had to realize that I was right and his source had doctored the quote.
The “tell” is: 3) Regardless of how that material reads
#917.3) Regardless of how that material reads, the bottom line is Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian and I took him at his word as his early life indicates such.
FOR THE RECORD: I am not the liar here, when forced to defend my integrity I will do it.
UPDATED NOTFOOLEDBYW - YOU ARE A FILTHY LIAR. SEE THE UPDATES THAT PROVE SAME. Bolded for everyone's convenience below the stats in item # 1
NOTFOOLEDBYW'S FINAL RESPONSE
This thread is now 917 posts long as I begin this response. Of those, NOTFOOLEDBYW has made a total of 168 posts. They are posts # 78, 80, 111, 113, 118, 126, 140, 154, 157, 158, 159, 162, 172, 174, 179, 189, 192, 195, 196, 197, 203, 204, 205, 212, 220, 224, 225, 232, 233, 234, 235, 240, 240, 241, 242, 243, 246, 247, 254, 255, 256, 267, 279, 280, 285, 290, 296, 297, 302, 307, 309, 318, 321, 328, 330, 335, 339, 340, 341, 345, 347, 350, 350, 351, 352, 367, 370, 373, 381, 393, 394, 399, 401, 404, 411, 412, 413, 420, 421, 425, 426, 429, 430, 431, 432, 468, 485, 500, 504, 508, 512, 516, 519, 525, 527, 537, 539, 541, 546, 549, 551, 554, 557, 559, 561, 563, 565, 566, 569, 570, 574, 577, 581, 582, 587, 589, 606, 607, 610, 626, 630, 636, 642, 644, 646, 684, 688, 699, 700, 703, 704, 707, 708, 709, 715, 716, 718, 724, 725, 730, 740, 744, 746, 747, 750, 753, 754, 755, 761, 762, 769, 774, 782, 7998, 800, ... that is 155 posts out of 805, 807, 812, 824, 827, 830, 831, 832, 844, 847, 860, 872, 899, 904
In virtually every post NOTFOOLEDBYW has insulted posters, called them liars, misrepresented people, and NOBODY has defended his positions.
By contrast, NOTFOOLEDBYW has been challenged by numerous posters to whom NOTFOOLEDBYW has called liars, fools, morons, and accused them of all manner of wrongdoing. Those posters responded a total of 126 times in posts: #120, 130, 134, 167, 169,174, 176, 175, 176, 180, 185, 206, 207, 250, 282, 299, 346, 346, 354, 396, 397, 403, 405, 406, 407, 414, 415, 416, 424, 427, 428, 433, 434, 438, 439, 440, 445, 446, 447, 448, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 460, 461, 464, 465, 466, 467, 469, 470, 472, 474, 476, 483, 484, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 496, 497, 498, 499, 501, 502, 517, 518, 521, 526, 528, 531, 558, 562, 564, 567, 568, 571, 573, 576, 578, 579, 588, 591, 593, 594, 595, 596, 598, 599, 600, 603, 608, 612, 613, 615, 618, 627, 628, 629, 633, 645, 648, 653, 658, 665, 668, 698, 701, 705, 706, 711, 722, 723, 726, 751, 764, 765, 779
I have been obliged to respond to NOTFOOLEDBYW a total of 85 times personally. That is a total of 379+ posts that have revolved around this one poster. I'm not updating any posters that responded beyond post # 805
One poster or another has successfully defeated each and every argument he brings to the table. He is now remaining, claiming I lied about Thomas Jefferson - as if that would change the balance of this discussion. Here is my position:
1) When other posters began discussing this as a conversation rather than a point by point, let's prove everything, I got conversational. I quoted Thomas Jefferson from an unnamed source in an online general conversation.
I really do not want to restart any conversations with THIS idiot about Thomas Jefferson and my quote. But, I cut and pasted the quote as I found it on the Internet:
http://peace2you.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Faith-of-Founding-Fathers1.pdf
If you look a few quotes down, you can see where I got it from. When that troll made a big deal out of my inadvertent faux pas of leaving out the link, I looked up the book from where the quote was obtained and put it in post #552. I DIDN'T LIE AND NOTFOOLEDBYW IS A ROTTEN, FILTHY, STINKING, LIAR. ALL of his posts were responded to honestly and openly. Check his posts... he's quoting me and it's there.
2) NOTFOOLEDBYW seized upon that accusing me of posting a lie; even claiming that I edited my source. I did not. I did, however, look at where my source got their material and I quoted where it could be found. I did not lie
3) Regardless of how that material reads, the bottom line is Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian and I took him at his word as his early life indicates such. Jefferson states, and it was quoted on this thread, that his life experiences changed his outlook. Nothing has changed what Jefferson said at that point in his life
4) Regardless of how many times founders did or said one thing or another, I look at the bottom line and if over half the posts here are either one man arguing against those points compared to the scores of posts disagreeing with him, there is no point to prove. If this matters to you and you want to wade through who said what, you have each post - minus my own (which is unnecessary since all those people who agreed with me either quoted the relevant parts and / or the post itself. My point here is I did not lie and every time that troll posts, I will simply cut and paste this response (that took some hours to research just for him.)
If he still wants to call me a liar, he can do it to my face. Otherwise, he has been successfully defeated by other posters to the point that nothing I have to say would be relevant anyway. IF there are any other points to be addressed, I will be happy to entertain them, just not by the resident troll. The dumb ass needs to read. This post refutes his account of what happened.. I know because I'm the one who did it. I copied and pasted the fucking quote as it appeared and no amount of political jockeying will change that. It's over dumbass.
...Bite me. I don't read multi quotes. They are posted by desperate illiterates that want to argue and have nothing to bring to the table. I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you. Just a few years ago people only talked smack like you do if they wanted to go around to the back of the barn. You're a coward. You accuse me of running, but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage. Instead, you troll from the comfort and safety of your keyboard so you can be anonymous and unaccountable.
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention. If you cannot read the first post and reply accordingly, you're just here to stir the pot. It just means you are another sockpuppet or you are a coward.
but I saw no PM from you saying you wanted to level those charges like someone with courage.
why would I pm you - the post is for everyone to read, not sent to your back alley ...
I'm damn sure never going to "run" from you.
perceptions can be confusing ...
Ignoring you just insures that you are not being given any credibility by responding to your desperate cries for attention.
you're just here to stir the pot.
- and your not -
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
I don't do multi-quotes. If you have something to say, spit it out.
it serves a purpose, learn to read.
They serve a purpose for cowards, people with OCD and illiterates that want a pissing match. I guess we can add dumbasses to the list. If you have nothing relevant to the thread, we should part company here.
They serve a purpose for cowards, people with OCD and illiterates that want a pissing match.
really, try to consider not everyone has a ghetto mentality ...
If you have nothing relevant to the thread, we should part company here.
you have yet to respond to the content of the posts -
what is there about the 19th amendment you have nothing to say about - christian. the 14th was won by blood, sweat and tears - you lost your unholy civil war, blessed be the Almighty.
