Bush / Cheney Created Conditions That Led Directly To I S I L

[Faun]

You can blow up a house with a push of a button.

But it takes weeks or months to rebuild it.

Republicans won't let anyone rebuild anything. They failed so miserable under Bush, they want everyone to fail just so we can all be at the same level.

Six years of Obama Administration incompetence and you're STILL trying to blame Barry's failures on a guy who's chopping brush on a ranch in Texas!

Barry ignored advice on the situation and chose to do it HIS way! That's his right as President but when he does things HIS way then it's time to man up and take responsibility when he's as wrong as he's been with the complete troop pullout in Iraq.

You mean because he followed the agreement Bush made with Iraq.

No, I mean because Obama chose to ignore developing problems with both ISIS growing in power in Syria and the Maliki government excluding Shiites from positions of power. Barry decided to look the other way on both those things because admitting they existed would have made it impossible for him to declare Iraq "stable" and walk away from the problems there.

So now we've got ISIS embedded in population centers in Iraq...equipped with advance weapons they took from an Iraqi Army that wouldn't fight...and taking in an estimated 3 million dollars a day in revenue from oil sales! That fuck up belongs COMPLETELY to Barack Obama! He was more concerned with his own "legacy" as the President that "stops" wars than he was with the growth of ISIS or the problems within the Iraqi government.

None of which would have happened had Bush decided to let the U.N. inspectors finish the job they were sent into Iraq to do rather than invade. How is that Obama's fault?

Are you kidding me?

Let me see if I understand the liberal "logic" here, Faun...

Because George W. Bush made the call to go into Iraq in 2003 when Saddam Hussein refused to comply with the UN sanctions that he'd agreed to following the first Gulf War...11 years later Bush is still responsible for the results of Barack Obama's naive foreign policy for the region? Bush is still responsible for Obama's decision NOT to leave a stabilizing force in Iraq even though both he and Obama's military leaders warned that not doing so would lead to EXACTLY what happened? Bush is responsible for Obama being totally caught by surprise as ISIS conquered half of Iraq in a matter of weeks?

When does Barry become responsible for Barry's fuck-ups? Six years after he leaves office? Never?

Isis formed as a result of Bush's decision to invade Iraq. He didn't have to since the U.N. was back in. But he did anyway and ISIS formed to fight us there. So how is that Obama's fault?

 

[mudwhistle]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

 

[Faun]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

 

[mudwhistle]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

 

[mudwhistle]

Benghazi is important because it led to ISIS.

So Democrats say shit happens. Let's blame Bush.

 

[Dot Com]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

Exactly. They kicked a beehive EVEN AFTER being warned by then Sen, Obama that it was folly to do so. They needed to do something to get their contractor buddies such as blackwater, halliburton, etc... paid.

 

[Faun]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

But you're complaining about how they got weapons from Iraqis, and regardless of when Bush left office, he gave many of those weapons to the Iraqis. I'm just trying to understand why you seem to think none of this is his fault?

 

[Faun]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

Exactly. They kicked a beehive EVEN AFTER being warned by then Sen, Obama that it was folly to do so. They needed to do something to get their contractor buddies such as blackwater, halliburton, etc... paid.

Huh? Obama wasn't a U.S. Senator in 2003 when Bush kicked that "beehive."

 

[Faun]

Benghazi is important because it led to ISIS.

So Democrats say shit happens. Let's blame Bush.

That's just crazy since ISIS formed many years prior to Benghazi.

 

[mudwhistle]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

But you're complaining about how they got weapons from Iraqis, and regardless of when Bush left office, he gave many of those weapons to the Iraqis. I'm just trying to understand why you seem to think none of this is his fault?

Obama gave them what they needed to invade Iraq. Consequently, when he bailed on the Iraqi mission he set in motion a chain of events that led to this. It also didn't help when he and his friends helped along and supported the Arab Spring.

 

[Faun]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

One more thing ... explain how we wouldn't be talking about this if Bush was still president?

(this should be good)

 

[mudwhistle]

Benghazi is important because it led to ISIS.

So Democrats say shit happens. Let's blame Bush.

That's just crazy since ISIS formed many years prior to Benghazi.

Yes, and Obama ignored them for years. He can't blame Bush for their rapid expansion, even though he would like to.

 

[Dot Com]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

Exactly. They kicked a beehive EVEN AFTER being warned by then Sen, Obama that it was folly to do so. They needed to do something to get their contractor buddies such as blackwater, halliburton, etc... paid.

Huh? Obama wasn't a U.S. Senator in 2003 when Bush kicked that "beehive."

I said Sen. Obama. He was a State Senator. Why you slicing hairs?

 

[mudwhistle]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

One more thing ... explain how we wouldn't be talking about this if Bush was still president?

(this should be good)

Because eventually Iraq would have become an afterthought in the news, and we would have maintained bases there from which strikes could be launched at the Syrian border, similar to what they're gearing up to do today. We would have had some influence over Iraqi politics and prevented much of the nonsense caused by Shiites that led to Sunni unrest.

 

[mudwhistle]

The only reason ISIS expanded into Iraq is because we made it too enticing for them not to.

 

[Faun]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

Exactly. They kicked a beehive EVEN AFTER being warned by then Sen, Obama that it was folly to do so. They needed to do something to get their contractor buddies such as blackwater, halliburton, etc... paid.

Huh? Obama wasn't a U.S. Senator in 2003 when Bush kicked that "beehive."

I said Sen. Obama. He was a State Senator. Why you slicing hairs?

Because presidents couldn't care less what a state Senator thinks.

 

[Faun]

The twin towers fell before Iraq was attacked, and that pretty well shows that the hornet's nest was already stirred up before Bush did anything in the Middle East.

Islamic extremists have been at war with the United States since the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, and the fact that we had turned a blind eye to that reality did not make it less of a threat. Bush didn't start the war, he responded to it.

ISIS in Iraq is a direct result of Obama pulling all the troops out of Iraq and leaving the vacuum that ISIS filled. Actions have consequences, and all you left wingers should begin to recognize that tidbit.

You can whine, spin, or turn cartwheels, but Obama owns present day Iraq, and the American public knows it.

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

One more thing ... explain how we wouldn't be talking about this if Bush was still president?

(this should be good)

Because eventually Iraq would have become an afterthought in the news, and we would have maintained bases there from which strikes could be launched at the Syrian border, similar to what they're gearing up to do today. We would have had some influence over Iraqi politics and prevented much of the nonsense caused by Shiites that led to Sunni unrest.

That's pretty fucked up logic since Bush couldn't get Iraq to agree to an immunity deal. So no, your false premise that Bush would have kept troops there, after Bush was the one to make the deal with Iraq to pull ALL of the troops out, falls into the trash bin where it so rightfully deserves to be.

I knew I your answer would be fun!

 

[Dot Com]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

Exactly. They kicked a beehive EVEN AFTER being warned by then Sen, Obama that it was folly to do so. They needed to do something to get their contractor buddies such as blackwater, halliburton, etc... paid.

Huh? Obama wasn't a U.S. Senator in 2003 when Bush kicked that "beehive."

I said Sen. Obama. He was a State Senator. Why you slicing hairs?

Because presidents couldn't care less what a state Senator thinks.

..except in this case it would have been wise to do so. He spoke at the Democratic Convention so he wasn't just ANY Democrat. People are picked to do that who are usually going places. See how that works?

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama armed ISIS , literally. What he didn't give them in Syria they got by taking what we gave Iraqis before we bugged out.

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

One more thing ... explain how we wouldn't be talking about this if Bush was still president?

(this should be good)

Because eventually Iraq would have become an afterthought in the news, and we would have maintained bases there from which strikes could be launched at the Syrian border, similar to what they're gearing up to do today. We would have had some influence over Iraqi politics and prevented much of the nonsense caused by Shiites that led to Sunni unrest.

That's pretty fucked up logic since Bush couldn't get Iraq to agree to an immunity deal. So no, your false premise that Bush would have kept troops there, after Bush was the one to make the deal with Iraq to pull ALL of the troops out, falls into the trash bin where it so rightfully deserves to be.

I knew I your answer would be fun!

Bush wasn't in office when his Status Of Forces agreement was allowed to expire. They never were intended to be permanent. That would have made us an occupational force and our media at the behest of Democrats wouldn't stand for that. Most of the negatives about the war was political anyway, thanks to the left. Doing the right thing doesn't always jib with politicians.

 

[Faun]

Bush armed Iraqis .... so where's your blame for that?

Bush hasn't been president for 6 years. We wouldn't be talking about this if he still was.

One more thing ... explain how we wouldn't be talking about this if Bush was still president?

(this should be good)

Because eventually Iraq would have become an afterthought in the news, and we would have maintained bases there from which strikes could be launched at the Syrian border, similar to what they're gearing up to do today. We would have had some influence over Iraqi politics and prevented much of the nonsense caused by Shiites that led to Sunni unrest.

That's pretty fucked up logic since Bush couldn't get Iraq to agree to an immunity deal. So no, your false premise that Bush would have kept troops there, after Bush was the one to make the deal with Iraq to pull ALL of the troops out, falls into the trash bin where it so rightfully deserves to be.

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Bush wasn't in office when his Status Of Forces agreement was allowed to expire. They never were intended to be permanent. That would have made us an occupational force and our media at the behest of Democrats wouldn't stand for that. Most of the negatives about the war was political anyway, thanks to the left. Doing the right thing doesn't always jib with politicians.

You're actually claiming that the person (Bush) who orchestrated the agreement to pull ALL the troops, for no reason, would have done it differently years later.