cop pepper sprays motorist that gave him the finger

[Moonglow]

Absolute bullshit. The cop was way out of line.

And for those conservatives that think the cop was right, you are forgetting the basic nature of freedom. You want those cops to arrest everyone that does act like you think they should act? You are asking for the creation of a fascist state of the worst sort.

Conservatives don't believe in freedom any more than liberals do.

Your always free to break the law...

 

[idb]

[...]The cop in question asked for driver information and was refused. Driving is a privilege of the state and that's one of the things you must do. Hand over ID when asked to do so.

But there must be a valid reason for demanding one's ID. An unobtrusive finger gesture does not constitute reasonable suspicion as cause to stop and demand ID.

How do you know? Maybe he just ripped off a liquor store and was flaunting his success? He was calling attention to himself for some reason, you can pretend to know the reasons but that's in your imagination.

It doesn't take much to draw attention to yourself...Freddie Gray made eye contact...that was it.

Wrong. He was a known drug dealer, you bought the libspin, hook, line and sinker. Set yourself apart from the crowd and start using your brain.


FREDDY GRAY S ARREST RECORD Here s The Rap Sheet Of The Guy They re Destroying Baltimore Over Top Right News
• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

• December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

That doesn't refute the police statement that said he was pursued after making eye contact.

If you want to go down that track maybe you should look into the ranking arresting officer's background...here's a starting place for you.

The Baltimore police supervisor suspended over the death of Freddie Gray was accused of threatening to kill a man as part of an alleged “pattern of intimidation and violence” that led to a temporary restraining order.

Lieutenant Brian Rice was ordered to stay away from the man after a series of alleged confrontations, including one armed standoff that led to a 911 call and officers from two police departments spending 90 minutes defusing the situation, according to court filings.

Baltimore officer who chased Freddie Gray had pattern of violence court filings US news The Guardian

The Baltimore police lieutenant charged with the manslaughter of Freddie Grayallegedly threatened to kill himself and the husband of his ex-girlfriend, during incidents that led to him being disciplined and twice having his guns confiscated.

Brian Rice, who pursued and arrested Gray after the 25-year-old “caught his eye” on 12 April, was reportedly given an administrative suspension after being hospitalised for a mental health evaluation when he warned he was preparing to shoot himself in April 2012.

Freddie Gray officer threatened to kill himself and ex-partner s husband court document alleges US news The Guardian

 

[bucs90]

[...]The cop in question asked for driver information and was refused. Driving is a privilege of the state and that's one of the things you must do. Hand over ID when asked to do so.

But there must be a valid reason for demanding one's ID. An unobtrusive finger gesture does not constitute reasonable suspicion as cause to stop and demand ID.

How do you know? Maybe he just ripped off a liquor store and was flaunting his success? He was calling attention to himself for some reason, you can pretend to know the reasons but that's in your imagination.

It doesn't take much to draw attention to yourself...Freddie Gray made eye contact...that was it.

Wrong. He was a known drug dealer, you bought the libspin, hook, line and sinker. Set yourself apart from the crowd and start using your brain.


FREDDY GRAY S ARREST RECORD Here s The Rap Sheet Of The Guy They re Destroying Baltimore Over Top Right News
• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

• December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

That doesn't refute the police statement that said he was pursued after making eye contact.

If you want to go down that track maybe you should look into the ranking arresting officer's background...here's a starting place for you.

The Baltimore police supervisor suspended over the death of Freddie Gray was accused of threatening to kill a man as part of an alleged “pattern of intimidation and violence” that led to a temporary restraining order.

Lieutenant Brian Rice was ordered to stay away from the man after a series of alleged confrontations, including one armed standoff that led to a 911 call and officers from two police departments spending 90 minutes defusing the situation, according to court filings.

Baltimore officer who chased Freddie Gray had pattern of violence court filings US news The Guardian

The Baltimore police lieutenant charged with the manslaughter of Freddie Grayallegedly threatened to kill himself and the husband of his ex-girlfriend, during incidents that led to him being disciplined and twice having his guns confiscated.

Brian Rice, who pursued and arrested Gray after the 25-year-old “caught his eye” on 12 April, was reportedly given an administrative suspension after being hospitalised for a mental health evaluation when he warned he was preparing to shoot himself in April 2012.

Freddie Gray officer threatened to kill himself and ex-partner s husband court document alleges US news The Guardian

Thats the ONLY thing that ever bothered me about this Baltimore case. The cop who threatened suicide before. Cops see some nasty shit. Some get PTSD. But in police world...PTSD is taboo. Almost unrecognized and denied. So a few cops get put back on the street...when they shouldnt be. But departments dont want to pay for PTSD treatment or retirement. Cant say for sure without more info...but that Baltimore officer probably should've been behind a desk.

The SC trooper who shot the black guy reaching for his wallet was 10000% in the wrong. He had PTSD from a past shootout and the SC highway patrol basically said shut up and tough it out. Ended horribly. SCHP fired him and washed their hands of it.

 

[Iceweasel]

That doesn't refute the police statement that said he was pursued after making eye contact.

Ahyep. After making eye contact. Not because of making eye contact.

Libs!

 

[idb]

That doesn't refute the police statement that said he was pursued after making eye contact.

Ahyep. After making eye contact. Not because of making eye contact.

Libs!

Pffft!

 

[MikeK]

Which is why it will not end unless and until people start dropping the hammer on bent cops.

And therein lies the tale!

But that can't happen until the good cops are willing to stand in opposition to the behavior of those cops whose conduct results in a tainted impression of all cops. And that is made difficult because cops who oppose cops are usually denouced as "rats," which places their very lives in danger. Because a cop's personal safety depends on prompt response by other cops -- including the "bad" ones. (See, Serpico.)

 

[squeeze berry]

cop should be fired, sued and jailed

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Failing to obey instructions and resisting arrest was the first move. There's never any actual victims in any of these cop hater threads.

I agree that not obeying instructions and resisting arrest is the first move, but to me, pepper spray shouldn't have been used until the person being arrested decided to get physical and it sounds like they never were before the spray was pulled out.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

The cop was following procedure, that much should have been clear. Those procedures are all for a reason, even if it doesn't make sense to you.

Failing to obey instructions IS resisting arrest.

Tell that to the mentally challenged kid that was shot dead by and officer in the Arkanass police farce..........

Give me the link and I promise I can show you how even this "victim" really isn't a victim.

The cop was prosecuted and given 9 months jail time, and so did the SW City cop that shot a driver also...

I doubt that.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

cop should be fired, sued and jailed

So should you.

 

[bucs90]

Which is why it will not end unless and until people start dropping the hammer on bent cops.

And therein lies the tale!

But that can't happen until the good cops are willing to stand in opposition to the behavior of those cops whose conduct results in a tainted impression of all cops. And that is made difficult because cops who oppose cops are usually denouced as "rats," which places their very lives in danger. Because a cop's personal safety depends on prompt response by other cops -- including the "bad" ones. (See, Serpico.)

But people make this assumption that good cops know what a bad one does.

A bad cop is simply a criminal who slipped into a uniform. No different than any other criminal....and they typically wont do their dirty stuff unless no one is watching.

Cops know which other cops are a bit shady or iffy. But for the most part...they dont have any proof. And since many cops are disgruntled and just wanna lay low anyway...they do their job and their calls and let the command staff work it out. They act like most other people in their profession would. Would most American employees who felt they had a shady coworker do their own investigation and go to management? Or just do their own job amd let management deal with it? Honest truth is...most people would prefer not getting caught up in it.

NOW...factor in a cops job. If they see a shady coworker...and go public...guess what? Media will smear ALL officers..especially that particular department. So the cop is making his own life miserable by turning in a dirty coworker.

Its all tied together.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Which is why it will not end unless and until people start dropping the hammer on bent cops.

And therein lies the tale!

But that can't happen until the good cops are willing to stand in opposition to the behavior of those cops whose conduct results in a tainted impression of all cops. And that is made difficult because cops who oppose cops are usually denouced as "rats," which places their very lives in danger. Because a cop's personal safety depends on prompt response by other cops -- including the "bad" ones. (See, Serpico.)

Serpico was a movie bro

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Which is why it will not end unless and until people start dropping the hammer on bent cops.

And therein lies the tale!

But that can't happen until the good cops are willing to stand in opposition to the behavior of those cops whose conduct results in a tainted impression of all cops. And that is made difficult because cops who oppose cops are usually denouced as "rats," which places their very lives in danger. Because a cop's personal safety depends on prompt response by other cops -- including the "bad" ones. (See, Serpico.)

Serpico was a movie bro

He thinks V For Vendetta was real too.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Which is why it will not end unless and until people start dropping the hammer on bent cops.

And therein lies the tale!

But that can't happen until the good cops are willing to stand in opposition to the behavior of those cops whose conduct results in a tainted impression of all cops. And that is made difficult because cops who oppose cops are usually denouced as "rats," which places their very lives in danger. Because a cop's personal safety depends on prompt response by other cops -- including the "bad" ones. (See, Serpico.)

Serpico was a movie bro

He thinks V For Vendetta was real too.

 

[Rocko]

So far as I'm concerned, the disrespect shown by that gesture to a LEO authorizes deadly force as a FIRST option.... fear ir no fear.

We Conservatives hear constantly about respecting the office of POTUS even if we don't like the office holder. Why doesn't that apply to the officer's badge as well?

Funny how they forget that whole respect thing.

Im glad the officer sprayed him. These cop hating liberale obviously never got any discipline or manners from mommy and daddy. Or...daddy and daddy. Or....daddy and maddy and zommy or..whatever these left wing pervert degenerates call themselves now.

Spray that fucker. Put me on the jury. NOT GUILTY. Only takes one. Remember that America. When liberal vigilantes like the Baltimore bitch goes after cops...vvolunteer for jury duty. Not guilty. Only takes 1.

Then you need to argue with the SCOTUS about what they have ruled is protected by the 1st amendment. They have ruled that flipping the bird comes under free speech. The liberal was baiting the cop. But the cop responded to the bait in the worst way. Pepper spray for a calm citizen who is simply asking why he was pulled over? All of what the guy did , while annoying, is legal. Cops aren't exempt from being annoyed.

That's bullshit. He was pepper sprayed because he failed to comply with the officer's orders to get out of the car. What the cOP did was legal too. See how that goes both ways?

 

[Rocko]

[...]

The cop in question asked for driver information and was refused. Driving is a privilege of the state and that's one of the things you must do. Hand over ID when asked to do so.

But there must be a valid reason for demanding one's ID. An unobtrusive finger gesture does not constitute reasonable suspicion as cause to stop and demand ID.

How do you know? Maybe he just ripped off a liquor store and was flaunting his success? He was calling attention to himself for some reason, you can pretend to know the reasons but that's in your imagination.

It doesn't take much to draw attention to yourself...Freddie Gray made eye contact...that was it.

The cops knew exactly who Freddie Gray was. He had been arrested before for selling drugs numerous times where he was apprehended.

 

[dannyboys]

Straight cops won't have anything to do with bad cops. They do not ride with them. They do not hang out after hours with them.
They will not 'rat' on a bad cop unless it's really serious. BUT the internal review board know who the bad cops are and they find ways of quietly getting rid of them.
All it takes is one straight cop to decline to partner with cop 'X' and the antennae go up at headquarters. No cop is ever ordered to partner with someone they do not want to.
The City DOES NOT want bad cops. They cause way too many problems. Paying out settlement money is only one of the problems.
I do not doubt there are some very small police departments who are run by corrupt cops. These are very very few.
The Police Union knows what's going on everywhere.
I have personal knowledge of a cop who was thinking about applying for a job in a small rural police department. He was dead straight and just wanted to move his family to a quiet town to raise his family.
Before he applied he made a call to someone in the Police Union in the State capital.
He was advised not to apply though he wasn't told why. Two months later the chief of police and four others were charged with a series of crimes. That's how it works in real life.
All you fucking LIB pyjama-boys are too stupid to comprehend the real life facts concerning how police departments function.

 

[bucs90]

Straight cops won't have anything to do with bad cops. They do not ride with them. They do not hang out after hours with them.
They will not 'rat' on a bad cop unless it's really serious. BUT the internal review board know who the bad cops are and they find ways of quietly getting rid of them.
All it takes is one straight cop to decline to partner with cop 'X' and the antennae go up at headquarters. No cop is ever ordered to partner with someone they do not want to.
The City DOES NOT want bad cops. They cause way too many problems. Paying out settlement money is only one of the problems.
I do not doubt there are some very small police departments who are run by corrupt cops. These are very very few.
The Police Union knows what's going on everywhere.
I have personal knowledge of a cop who was thinking about applying for a job in a small rural police department. He was dead straight and just wanted to move his family to a quiet town to raise his family.
Before he applied he made a call to someone in the Police Union in the State capital.
He was advised not to apply though he wasn't told why. Two months later the chief of police and four others were charged with a series of crimes. That's how it works in real life.
All you fucking LIB pyjama-boys are too stupid to comprehend the real life facts concerning how police departments function.

Very well stated. You former LE? You speak like you know the reality of it pretty well.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Straight cops won't have anything to do with bad cops. They do not ride with them. They do not hang out after hours with them.
They will not 'rat' on a bad cop unless it's really serious. BUT the internal review board know who the bad cops are and they find ways of quietly getting rid of them.
All it takes is one straight cop to decline to partner with cop 'X' and the antennae go up at headquarters. No cop is ever ordered to partner with someone they do not want to.
The City DOES NOT want bad cops. They cause way too many problems. Paying out settlement money is only one of the problems.
I do not doubt there are some very small police departments who are run by corrupt cops. These are very very few.
The Police Union knows what's going on everywhere.
I have personal knowledge of a cop who was thinking about applying for a job in a small rural police department. He was dead straight and just wanted to move his family to a quiet town to raise his family.
Before he applied he made a call to someone in the Police Union in the State capital.
He was advised not to apply though he wasn't told why. Two months later the chief of police and four others were charged with a series of crimes. That's how it works in real life.
All you fucking LIB pyjama-boys are too stupid to comprehend the real life facts concerning how police departments function.

Very well stated. You former LE? You speak like you know the reality of it pretty well.

I am and I don't get police department politics. Most cops bend over backward to stay out of it and you'd be surprised to find they are as clueless as to what's going on in Police Plaza as the general public.

By choice.

 

[MikeK]

Straight cops won't have anything to do with bad cops. They do not ride with them. They do not hang out after hours with them.

They will not 'rat' on a bad cop unless it's really serious. BUT the internal review board know who the bad cops are and they find ways of quietly getting rid of them.

All it takes is one straight cop to decline to partner with cop 'X' and the antennae go up at headquarters. No cop is ever ordered to partner with someone they do not want to.
The City DOES NOT want bad cops. They cause way too many problems. Paying out settlement money is only one of the problems.
[...]

In view of all that, what do you suppose is the cause of the presently expanding public disapproval and criticism of police in general?

In your opinion, what specific type of behavior makes one a bad cop?

 

[MikeK]

The cops knew exactly who Freddie Gray was. He had been arrested before for selling drugs numerous times where he was apprehended.

There is an important but generally obscure difference between selling drugs and committing some overtly malicious crime, such as rape or robbery, etc. If Freddie Gray had been arrested several times for robbery or rape rather than selling drugs I strongly doubt the average individual would be as resentful about what happened to him.

The underlying question is considering that the War On Drugs has been wholly ineffective and in fact is seriously counterproductive, do you believe this clearly wasteful and essentially harmful fiasco should be discontinued and the use of recreational drugs be addressed as a public health concern rather than a law-enforcement objective?