Democrats and Republicans pass Warren Amendment which calls for removal of Confederate Monuments in graveyards including Arlington

[BlindBoo]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

War for Southern Independence then? Still lost.

 

[Jitss617]

Vetoed

veto overridden..

Huh

 

[Jitss617]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

So they gave them a wage and pains to house them and feed them. Wow how generous lol

 

[bripat9643]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

War for Southern Independence then? Still lost.

So losing mean your cause is wrong?

How about Poland in WW II?

 

[Asclepias]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

Nope. Civil war means a war between the citizens of the same country. It doesnt have shit to do with control of the government per say.

Civil war | Definition, Causes, & Theories

Civil war is a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

www.britannica.com

a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

 

[bripat9643]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

Nope. Civil war means a war between the citizens of the same country. It doesnt have shit to do with control of the government per say.

Civil war | Definition, Causes, & Theories

Civil war is a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

www.britannica.com

a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

Why don't we call the American revolution a "civil war?"

 

[Asclepias]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

So they gave them a wage and pains to house them and feed them. Wow how generous lol

Someone should have given you a more comprehensive education than the one you got out of your box of Lucky Charms. What kind of retard doesnt know that slavery was the reason the south fought the civil war?

 

[Asclepias]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

Nope. Civil war means a war between the citizens of the same country. It doesnt have shit to do with control of the government per say.

Civil war | Definition, Causes, & Theories

Civil war is a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

www.britannica.com

a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

Why don't we call the American revolution a "civil war?"

Because the winner is the owner of the state. I even gave you the definition and you still missed it.

 

[bripat9643]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

So they gave them a wage and pains to house them and feed them. Wow how generous lol

Someone should have given you a more comprehensive education than the one you got out of your box of Lucky Charms. What kind of retard doesnt know that slavery was the reason the south fought the civil war?

People who know all the facts don't know your fairy tale.

 

[Theowl32]

How long before the Jefferson Memorial comes down, the Washington Monument comes down, the White House is painted black, and the original Declaration of Independence along with the Original Constitution is burned since those were built by slaves and created by slave owners that weren't Native Americans or blacks that also owned slaves and fought for the confederacy?

More than a year away or less than a year away? Either way we won't do shit about it other than tell the left how wrong they are. Cause that always stops them.

 

[bripat9643]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

Nope. Civil war means a war between the citizens of the same country. It doesnt have shit to do with control of the government per say.

Civil war | Definition, Causes, & Theories

Civil war is a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

www.britannica.com

a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

Why don't we call the American revolution a "civil war?"

Because the winner is the owner of the state. I even gave you the definition and you still missed it.

Whether it's a civil war depends on who wins?

That's a true leap of demagoguery.

 

[BlindBoo]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

War for Southern Independence then? Still lost.

So losing mean your cause is wrong?

How about Poland in WW II?

Nah, it just means the brilliant battlefield tactician was a terrible strategist for winning Independence for the South.

 

[Jitss617]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

So they gave them a wage and pains to house them and feed them. Wow how generous lol

Someone should have given you a more comprehensive education than the one you got out of your box of Lucky Charms. What kind of retard doesnt know that slavery was the reason the south fought the civil war?

Lol the law to end slavery didn’t happen until 2 years in to the war lol! It was a political move.. sorry history doesn’t help you

 

[Asclepias]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

Wrong, moron.

You fucking idiot. Its even in their articles of seccesion.

" Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. "

That was one reason out of several, dumbass. Furthermore, that isn't why Lincoln launched the war against the South. Lincoln didn't give a damn about the slaves.

It was the first, second, and third reason listed you fucking idiot.

That was one state. Other states listed numerous reasons.

Show me one confederate state that didnt list slavery. Also I am sure you are familiar with the Cornerstone address right? They were speaking for all confederate states. Sorry dude. You just dont know what the fuck youre talking about.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stephens' speech declared that disagreements over the enslavement of African Americans were the "immediate cause" of secession and that the Confederate constitution had resolved such issues, saying:

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. [...] Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

You're treating a petulant child as an adult. LOL

I'd agree that slavery really was "the issue." All issues had, at the heart, slavery.

But I don't see Warren opposing statues to dead confederates on civil war parks. I'd be against that, if she were.

I saw an outstanding quote somewhere the other day that went something like this.

"We cant begin to dismantle white supremacy if we are still celebrating the symbols that applaud the belief in white supremacy."

So let those civil war parks exist on private land and remove the tax payers burden to support the up keep and maintenance of confederate statues.

Well, why? The South lost. I gotta tell ya that I've been to Vicksburg countless times, Bulls Run, Antietam and Gettysburg ….. and the issue is sacrifice and bravery.

I think it's too bad that southern states have successfully removed most sites connected with slavery. At the Univ of Va there were slave sites. I read that at Monticello they've ucovered Sally Hemmings living spaces. We need more history, not less. But we need to be honest about our history. And yes the WH was built partly with slave labor

" The South lost. "

Exactly. Their ideology should also lose. To honor those that fought for that ideology is to keep that ideology alive. You cant seperate the two because of the way the human mind works. We dont need memorials to remember history. Put it in a history book. Teach it to the children so they never forget but to honor that ideology or the people that fought for it is a constant slap in the face for Black americans. White people love to tell Black people to "let it go" in regards to slavery. In return we say show us by letting go of the ideology that the very same traitors and enslavers that created and fought to maintain slavery should be honored in any way.

That's horseshit. What about the Romans. They practiced slavery. Are they all vermin because of that?

How about the English? The established slavery in this country. They also has slavery in their sugar plantations in the carribean for centuries. Are they all scum forever?

You're obviously just trying to keep the hatred alive for the sake of electoral success. There's nothing noble nor admirable about your motives.

I could give a fuck about the Romans or the English. The point is that there are no memorials to them and if there are they need to come down.

 

[bendog]

[/QUOTE]

War for Southern Independence then? Still lost.
[/QUOTE]
The War of Northern Aggression, also referred to as the Late Great Unpleasantness(-:

 

[Asclepias]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

So they gave them a wage and pains to house them and feed them. Wow how generous lol

Someone should have given you a more comprehensive education than the one you got out of your box of Lucky Charms. What kind of retard doesnt know that slavery was the reason the south fought the civil war?

Lol the law to end slavery didn’t happen until 2 years in to the war lol! It was a political move.. sorry history doesn’t help you

The south didnt issue the law to end slavery dummy.

 

[martybegan]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

Nope. Civil war means a war between the citizens of the same country. It doesnt have shit to do with control of the government per say.

Civil war | Definition, Causes, & Theories

Civil war is a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

www.britannica.com

a violent conflict between a state and one or more organized non-state actors in the state’s territory.

Why don't we call the American revolution a "civil war?"

Because the winner is the owner of the state. I even gave you the definition and you still missed it.

Whether it's a civil war depends on who wins?

That's a true leap of demagoguery.

It just fits better, "The American Southern Insurrection" just doesn't roll of the tongue as well.

Hell some people consider WWI and WWII's European theater basically as a European Civil War.

 

[BlindBoo]

War for Southern Independence then? Still lost.
[/QUOTE]
The War of Northern Aggression, also referred to as the Late Great Unpleasantness(-:
[/QUOTE]

That too.

 

[Asclepias]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Lol you need to get a history lesson

Really? Well why don't you point out EXACTLY what is wrong in what I wrote and be specific...very specific, boi!

Most ppl in the south never seen a black before, and were fighting ppl because they showed up on there land, the war had nothing to do with slavery, it was states rights. More economic power to control the goods.

You fucking retard. They fought because they wanted slavery to stay as it was. Your alternate facts are bullshit.

Wrong, moron.

You fucking idiot. Its even in their articles of seccesion.

" Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. "

That was one reason out of several, dumbass. Furthermore, that isn't why Lincoln launched the war against the South. Lincoln didn't give a damn about the slaves.

It was the first, second, and third reason listed you fucking idiot.

That was one state. Other states listed numerous reasons.

Show me one confederate state that didnt list slavery. Also I am sure you are familiar with the Cornerstone address right? They were speaking for all confederate states. Sorry dude. You just dont know what the fuck youre talking about.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stephens' speech declared that disagreements over the enslavement of African Americans were the "immediate cause" of secession and that the Confederate constitution had resolved such issues, saying:

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. [...] Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

You're treating a petulant child as an adult. LOL

I'd agree that slavery really was "the issue." All issues had, at the heart, slavery.

But I don't see Warren opposing statues to dead confederates on civil war parks. I'd be against that, if she were.

I saw an outstanding quote somewhere the other day that went something like this.

"We cant begin to dismantle white supremacy if we are still celebrating the symbols that applaud the belief in white supremacy."

So let those civil war parks exist on private land and remove the tax payers burden to support the up keep and maintenance of confederate statues.

Well, why? The South lost. I gotta tell ya that I've been to Vicksburg countless times, Bulls Run, Antietam and Gettysburg ….. and the issue is sacrifice and bravery.

I think it's too bad that southern states have successfully removed most sites connected with slavery. At the Univ of Va there were slave sites. I read that at Monticello they've ucovered Sally Hemmings living spaces. We need more history, not less. But we need to be honest about our history. And yes the WH was built partly with slave labor

" The South lost. "

Exactly. Their ideology should also lose. To honor those that fought for that ideology is to keep that ideology alive. You cant seperate the two because of the way the human mind works. We dont need memorials to remember history. Put it in a history book. Teach it to the children so they never forget but to honor that ideology or the people that fought for it is a constant slap in the face for Black americans. White people love to tell Black people to "let it go" in regards to slavery. In return we say show us by letting go of the ideology that the very same traitors and enslavers that created and fought to maintain slavery should be honored in any way.

No we do need to understand the Southerners' sacrifice. The real sacrafice and not the "lost cause" bullshit statues on every buttfuck county courthouse and state capital. As an voluntary southerner, I'd gr

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

"Civil war" means two side fighting for control over the same government. The South had no interest in controlling the federal government, so it wasn't a civil war.

War for Southern Independence then? Still lost.

The War of Northern Aggression, also referred to as the Late Great Unpleasantness(-:

" No we do need to understand the Southerners' sacrifice. "

You cant understand sacrifice by looking at a statue. You have to read what sacrifices were made, talk to the people that went through it.. and all that can be put in a book. The end result is that whatever sacrifice was made ....it was made to support enslaving Black people. Again on private property do what you want. On public property its a slap in the face to take my tax money and maintain any confederate monument or memorial.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

We have to learn about our history, honor those that fought and learn from mistakes made so many years ago.

Honoring those patriots who fought for the security and preservation of the United States is one thing and Americans should never forget them or their sacrifices.

Honoring TRAITORS of the United States who took up arms against this Nation and the Constitution to create their own Slave Nation separate and apart is anathema to all reasonable and honorable conduct!

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

They weren’t exactly “traitors”. They were serving their states, who by democratic process seceded from the Union. From their point of view the Union were traitors for attacking them and their right to govern themselves. It was a civil war, meaning both sides were Americans. Not saying they should be “honored”, but remembered yes.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining!

US Constitution, Article III, § 3;
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Anyone who took up arms or gave aid and comfort to those who did were TRAITORS according to the law of this Nation and the Constitution. Even nibbling around the edges to give those TRAITORS a degree of slack can't rewrite the Constitution or change the Black Letter Law of the Land.