Governing by ransom.

[sartre play]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

 

[Indeependent]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

 

[beagle9]

While it's true government ruined the profession, it doesn't discount the fact that there is work out there that Americans refuse to do. There are only two reasons for this: one of course is they have alternative ways of living like welfare, food stamps or otherwise living under somebody else's roof such as parents or siblings. The other is they have better opportunities. I think the latter is less likely.

As for trains, they use them all the time. It's very common when waiting for a train to go by to see hundreds of flatbed cars with trailers on them. But it boils down to cost. Somebody still has to drive those trailers to the train station. They have to be loaded and fastened to the car, they have to be unfastened and unloaded when they reach their destination, and you still need a driver to pickup the trailer to take it to it's ultimate destination which could still be hundreds of miles from the train station.

So, there was never a problem with fake log books & truck drivers killing people on our highways.

That was the problem.

So it needed fixed & ELD is a fix.

If trucking companies would have solved the problem, there would be no need to ELD.

A new federal law about how the country transports freight should be the next move. End driver fatigue and huge problems that go along with it all now. It can be done. No more sleeper trucks built, just day cabs, and if someone has to go over state lines, then they can't violate staying within a 14 hour rule (12 hour drive with 2 hours on duty not driving to make a 14 hour total), in order to get back to their base or point of origin. No more than 60 hours a week. Preferably each day would be no more than a 10 or 12 hour day in total. What say you all ? Oops back on topic.. Go Trump... LOL

Never happen. The only way they could make it safer is no more load or milage pay; hourly pay only.

. Never happen, so shuttle freight should be the new trucking industry rules and future. Then hourly would make all the sense in the world.

I'm all for it but it would be too costly for companies to do it that way.

. I said state lines, but actually it could be expanded to include the surrounding states that are around a single state, but no more than two states are to be crossed by a single company. Go Trump..

 

[beagle9]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

 

[beagle9]

. The industry needs to be deregulated, and more training for Americans, and more ideas put into shuttling freight instead of the old ways of using singular drivers to move freight distances that create the whole dam mess of problems to begin with. With trains involved, there is no reason why any driver should be on the road for distances longer than 450 miles a day. No more than one day out from home base before the freight is shuttled to the next driver, and if going extreme distances, then the freight is to be placed on the train.

The de-incentives created in the industry has made the industry highly unattractive to any worker in this country to want to go anywhere near to the industry. Now was this by design in hopes to pad the bottom lines of corporations by driving (on purpose), out the Americans of the industry in favor of cheap labor ?? If so it needs to be realized.

While it's true government ruined the profession, it doesn't discount the fact that there is work out there that Americans refuse to do. There are only two reasons for this: one of course is they have alternative ways of living like welfare, food stamps or otherwise living under somebody else's roof such as parents or siblings. The other is they have better opportunities. I think the latter is less likely.

As for trains, they use them all the time. It's very common when waiting for a train to go by to see hundreds of flatbed cars with trailers on them. But it boils down to cost. Somebody still has to drive those trailers to the train station. They have to be loaded and fastened to the car, they have to be unfastened and unloaded when they reach their destination, and you still need a driver to pickup the trailer to take it to it's ultimate destination which could still be hundreds of miles from the train station.

. The industry can be fixed, but it's got to be looked at by the right regulators who are in favor of the workers, and their overall lives in the industry, and not government employees loyal to the highest bidders hurting the drivers in the industry by allowing corporations to screw them over while they do have them working for them. It could be that the trucking industry might be one of the most corrupt industry in this nation.

That doesn't go on too often because drivers are too much in demand. If anything, companies kiss truck drivers asses---especially OTR drivers.

The one good thing about this industry is that if you are good at what you do, you can walk into your bosses office, piss on his desk, and have another job the next day.

Government is the problem here. More new regulations every year, more restrictions every year, and as of last month, all new trucks have to be equipped with electronic logs which of course means you have to be signed up with a service which is yet another cost to transpiration companies.

. What the heck is an electronic log ? I know about the DEF system through a friend who drives, and complains about that system. My friend said he has a camera looking at him now. Good grief. Pathetic.

Lol. I bought a dash cam last summer. Of course it only records my driving and nobody is watching me. But I mounted it to my back window so you can not only see the road, but what I'm doing as well. If you open up the recording using Quick Time® it's like actually being in the truck the video is so crisp.

People will lie like hell to get out of being blamed for an accident, so now I don't have to worry about that any longer. The camera doesn't lie. In fact I'm going to put one in my car when I get some time.

On the recording you can see the date, time, and even how fast your vehicle is going because it uses GPS to calculate your speed. And I'll be damned if it isn't dead nuts accurate. It's the best insurance policy I ever bought.

. I agree.. After watching YouTube videos on the dash cam crashes that were recorded, I don't see how people can do without them now. The one pointing at my friend who drives, well he can't stand that he said. Said he don't understand that, and said that one driver quit the minute they put one in his truck. Mexicans being put on the road in these trucks seems to fly in the face of everything the industry was thriving for to be safe. Not saying Mexicans can't be safe, but it just cheapens everything that was being achieved over time is my opinion. They haven't had the time to b educated in the American way or qualify for the jobs in the same ways expected of American's.

 

[Indeependent]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

 

[Indeependent]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

 

[beagle9]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

. You think a drop out of high school or college should never be rewarded for their work ethic, workmanship, loyalty to company, showing up everyday, going beyond the pale etc. ???

 

[beagle9]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

. Good starting wage or living wage in NY ? Are you a socialist or communist ?

 

[Indeependent]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

. You think a drop out of high school or college should never be rewarded for their work ethic, workmanship, loyalty to company, showing up everyday, going beyond the pale etc. ???

I agree with you but NYC/LI are bastions of Illegals.
Would you prefer for them to starve?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

While it's true government ruined the profession, it doesn't discount the fact that there is work out there that Americans refuse to do. There are only two reasons for this: one of course is they have alternative ways of living like welfare, food stamps or otherwise living under somebody else's roof such as parents or siblings. The other is they have better opportunities. I think the latter is less likely.

As for trains, they use them all the time. It's very common when waiting for a train to go by to see hundreds of flatbed cars with trailers on them. But it boils down to cost. Somebody still has to drive those trailers to the train station. They have to be loaded and fastened to the car, they have to be unfastened and unloaded when they reach their destination, and you still need a driver to pickup the trailer to take it to it's ultimate destination which could still be hundreds of miles from the train station.

. The industry can be fixed, but it's got to be looked at by the right regulators who are in favor of the workers, and their overall lives in the industry, and not government employees loyal to the highest bidders hurting the drivers in the industry by allowing corporations to screw them over while they do have them working for them. It could be that the trucking industry might be one of the most corrupt industry in this nation.

That doesn't go on too often because drivers are too much in demand. If anything, companies kiss truck drivers asses---especially OTR drivers.

The one good thing about this industry is that if you are good at what you do, you can walk into your bosses office, piss on his desk, and have another job the next day.

Government is the problem here. More new regulations every year, more restrictions every year, and as of last month, all new trucks have to be equipped with electronic logs which of course means you have to be signed up with a service which is yet another cost to transpiration companies.

. What the heck is an electronic log ? I know about the DEF system through a friend who drives, and complains about that system. My friend said he has a camera looking at him now. Good grief. Pathetic.

Lol. I bought a dash cam last summer. Of course it only records my driving and nobody is watching me. But I mounted it to my back window so you can not only see the road, but what I'm doing as well. If you open up the recording using Quick Time® it's like actually being in the truck the video is so crisp.

People will lie like hell to get out of being blamed for an accident, so now I don't have to worry about that any longer. The camera doesn't lie. In fact I'm going to put one in my car when I get some time.

On the recording you can see the date, time, and even how fast your vehicle is going because it uses GPS to calculate your speed. And I'll be damned if it isn't dead nuts accurate. It's the best insurance policy I ever bought.

. I agree.. After watching YouTube videos on the dash cam crashes that were recorded, I don't see how people can do without them now. The one pointing at my friend who drives, well he can't stand that he said. Said he don't understand that, and said that one driver quit the minute they put one in his truck. Mexicans being put on the road in these trucks seems to fly in the face of everything the industry was thriving for to be safe. Not saying Mexicans can't be safe, but it just cheapens everything that was being achieved over time is my opinion. They haven't had the time to b educated in the American way or qualify for the jobs in the same ways expected of American's.

If you ever seen these people drive (most foreigners, not just Mexicans) you would change your mind. These people are terrible drivers.

At least once a year while waiting in line to get into the docks, I have some foreigner approach me asking me to back in his trailer because he doesn't know how to do it. I have no idea how these people get their CDL since that's part of the test, but many of them don't know how to back in a trailer.

I refuse to back in somebody else's truck, but the compassionate guy I am, I help them out by guiding them and telling them what to do.

The ones that don't ask for help are worse. They go back and forth and back and forth in the most easiest docks to back into. Another thing they are noted for is pulling out before they check that nobody is in the trailer. At times, the dock worker stops loading or unloading to change his propane tanks, talk to a coworker about something, or stop to take a break. These foreigners just assume they are finished and start pulling out while the tow motor is going back into the truck. When that happens, those companies force all drivers to come in while being loaded or unloaded, and bring our keys with us. Some tow motor drivers have lost their lives because of foreigners pulling out on them.

These foreign drivers are dangerous people on the road. Because they can't read English, they depend on their GPS in their language to tell them what highway to go on, and often they swerve several lanes last minute to do so.

 

[Indeependent]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

. Good starting wage or living wage in NY ? Are you a socialist or communist ?

Uniondale, NY is a poor Black community.
21K/year is considered a big deal.

 

[beagle9]

You lost me, the trucking stuff is interesting, but does it have to do with undocumented Mexicans born or brought to America as children. & YES illegals do take jobs (mostly low end hard work crappy jobs) but who is to blame? some poor guy who will do any work for any pay live in a room with 6 other guys so he can send money home to feed his parents, wife, kids. no its not our responsibility, or is it? who is hiring them? who is getting them legal cards so they don't have to pay American wages? its sure not most of us regular working people, how about share some of that hate on those that use the cheap labor when they have plenty of money & can afford to pay full wages.

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

. You think a drop out of high school or college should never be rewarded for their work ethic, workmanship, loyalty to company, showing up everyday, going beyond the pale etc. ???

I agree with you but NYC/LI are bastions of Illegals.
Would you prefer for them to starve?

. Oh, you were talking about illegals ? They should go home, and come back in a legal way.

 

[beagle9]

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

. Good starting wage or living wage in NY ? Are you a socialist or communist ?

Uniondale, NY is a poor Black community.
21K/year is considered a big deal.

. Are they being treated unfairly because their black ??

 

[Indeependent]

How would you like to be working at Home Depot for $15.00/hour and then one day be replaced by an Illegal and be on food stamps for the rest of your life?

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

. You think a drop out of high school or college should never be rewarded for their work ethic, workmanship, loyalty to company, showing up everyday, going beyond the pale etc. ???

I agree with you but NYC/LI are bastions of Illegals.
Would you prefer for them to starve?

. Oh, you were talking about illegals ? They should go home, and come back in a legal way.

Sadly I'm talking about the Black US citizens who have a hard time competing with the flood of Illegals.

 

[Indeependent]

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

. Good starting wage or living wage in NY ? Are you a socialist or communist ?

Uniondale, NY is a poor Black community.
21K/year is considered a big deal.

. Are they being treated unfairly because their black ??

They're just not being hired.
The only time they can get a job is when OSHA comes around.
Very sad, but business people want the cheapest workers they can get.

 

[beagle9]

. That would be bad, and working at Home Depot for $15.00 dollars an hour hopefully would only last for two years before a person gets a cost of living wage of say 2 or more percent each year afterwards or more all depending on the company structural pay system.

For a talented high school dropout?

. You think a drop out of high school or college should never be rewarded for their work ethic, workmanship, loyalty to company, showing up everyday, going beyond the pale etc. ???

I agree with you but NYC/LI are bastions of Illegals.
Would you prefer for them to starve?

. Oh, you were talking about illegals ? They should go home, and come back in a legal way.

Sadly I'm talking about the Black US citizens who have a hard time competing with the flood of Illegals.

. They can thank Hillary and Obama for that.

 

[Indeependent]

For a talented high school dropout?

. You think a drop out of high school or college should never be rewarded for their work ethic, workmanship, loyalty to company, showing up everyday, going beyond the pale etc. ???

I agree with you but NYC/LI are bastions of Illegals.
Would you prefer for them to starve?

. Oh, you were talking about illegals ? They should go home, and come back in a legal way.

Sadly I'm talking about the Black US citizens who have a hard time competing with the flood of Illegals.

. They can thank Hillary and Obama for that.

GW didn't help either.
Actually, before Obama's second election, he ordered OSHA to Nassau County and a lot of Blacks got jobs and voted for him.

 

[beagle9]

For a talented high school dropout?

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

. Good starting wage or living wage in NY ? Are you a socialist or communist ?

Uniondale, NY is a poor Black community.
21K/year is considered a big deal.

. Are they being treated unfairly because their black ??

They're just not being hired.
The only time they can get a job is when OSHA comes around.
Very sad, but business people want the cheapest workers they can get.

. There should be law's out lining the qualifications that need to be met before hiring migrants in this country.

 

[Indeependent]

In fact, in Uniondale, NY that's a very good wage.

. Good starting wage or living wage in NY ? Are you a socialist or communist ?

Uniondale, NY is a poor Black community.
21K/year is considered a big deal.

. Are they being treated unfairly because their black ??

They're just not being hired.
The only time they can get a job is when OSHA comes around.
Very sad, but business people want the cheapest workers they can get.

. There should be law's out lining the qualifications that need to be met before hiring migrants in this country.

I agree, but the question is, who's going to audit businesses?