Hitler, Fascism and the right wing

[westwall]

^^3 RW brainwashed functional morons...

And they still can't tell anyone what right wing means.

Sure we can. I just did. Governmental systems are a teeter totter. On one side you have ultimate governmental control over the people and on the opposite side you have no government. That's the difference between right and left. So simple a moron could understand. So.....why are you having so much trouble with it?

 

[Discombobulated]

^^3 RW brainwashed functional morons...

And they still can't tell anyone what right wing means.

Sure we can. I just did. Governmental systems are a teeter totter. On one side you have ultimate governmental control over the people and on the opposite side you have no government. That's the difference between right and left. So simple a moron could understand. So.....why are you having so much trouble with it?

Being a moron is apparently prerequisite to your definition.

 

[westwall]

^^3 RW brainwashed functional morons...

And they still can't tell anyone what right wing means.

Sure we can. I just did. Governmental systems are a teeter totter. On one side you have ultimate governmental control over the people and on the opposite side you have no government. That's the difference between right and left. So simple a moron could understand. So.....why are you having so much trouble with it?

Being a moron is apparently prerequisite to your definition.

And you still haven't addressed the simple fact that I stated. Governments are either collectivist or anarchical. Those are the only two extremes you can have. Arguing that Hitler was right wing and Stalin was leftwing is moronic in light of the facts of the two governments. BOTH governments viewed their subjects as property of the State. If you were no longer of use to the State you were killed.

Individuals had no rights in both countries. That sounds pretty left wing to me. You are merely nitpicking over the colors of the walls and the types of curtains you wish to decorate with. But the simple fact is it's the SAME FUCKING HOUSE!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

^^3 RW brainwashed functional morons...

And they still can't tell anyone what right wing means.

Sure we can. I just did. Governmental systems are a teeter totter. On one side you have ultimate governmental control over the people and on the opposite side you have no government. That's the difference between right and left. So simple a moron could understand. So.....why are you having so much trouble with it?

Right is the advocacy for individual liberty. Left is the advocacy for collective liberty.

The former literally promotes freedom, securing the means to realize such, the latter squashes it.

The suggestion that "The Right" advocates for no government is absurd. We advocate for limited government, which as it sounds, provides for government with starkly limited power... this because government power is with no close second, the greatest threat to individual freedom. And the government power, precludes the means of private interests to obtain sufficient power to become such a threat.

 

[Discombobulated]

^^3 RW brainwashed functional morons...

And they still can't tell anyone what right wing means.

Sure we can. I just did. Governmental systems are a teeter totter. On one side you have ultimate governmental control over the people and on the opposite side you have no government. That's the difference between right and left. So simple a moron could understand. So.....why are you having so much trouble with it?

Being a moron is apparently prerequisite to your definition.

And you still haven't addressed the simple fact that I stated. Governments are either collectivist or anarchical. Those are the only two extremes you can have. Arguing that Hitler was right wing and Stalin was leftwing is moronic in light of the facts of the two governments. BOTH governments viewed their subjects as property of the State. If you were no longer of use to the State you were killed.

Individuals had no rights in both countries. That sounds pretty left wing to me. You are merely nitpicking over the colors of the walls and the types of curtains you wish to decorate with. But the simple fact is it's the SAME FUCKING HOUSE!

Who cares what it sounds like to you? You have yet to substantiate your view with anything but superficial anecdotes and ideologically driven definitions.

 

[Papageorgio]

Saying Hitler was a leftist or socialist will get you thrown out of any college or university in the country that isn't a joke run by some a-hole New BS GOP RWer (Actually, none I know of- must be someone lol). One book, Liberal Fascism (The Economist: "Pure drivel") started this, fed by demagogues like Beck...

A horrible RW joke.

democrat, hater Dupes always blaming others, no responsibility

Take a year off from trolling and read....idiot.

More from the hater dupes

 

[frigidweirdo]

I read what you posted. That doesn't mean I agree with you. And just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not reading what you post.

So Hitler gave paid vacation, breaks were longer, job security and a social system. And because you see this, somehow this automatically makes Hitler left wing, just based on this. What nonsense.

No, you didn't read the post(s). I said that's socialism, not right wing. I said it more closely resembles the left than the right. Socialism is on the left in most people's books.

If you look at what else was written you'll see ""Every member of an Aryan enterprise community shall assume the responsibilities required by his position in the said common enterprise." In other words, at the head of the company or the enterprise would be a living, breathing executive in charge, not a moneybags with unconditional power."

Aryan enterprise community. Seem a little suspicious to you? The reality is that Aryans got a higher status. Others got nothing. Jews did not get any of this. Nor slavs. Hitler merely changed the order of things. The Hierarchy was no longer the Emperor at the top and then working down to the working class people. Hitler had it so that the "Aryans" or Germanic people were pushed up ahead of all others.

You are flopping around all over the place here, they were national socialists. That means they were still socialists but with a racial slant. That doesn't change their social control over economics. A capitalist can be a nationalist too.

Similar to much of the far right in Europe now and what they want.

Also, you have to remember that this is about ethnic Nationalism, always was. This is considered right wing to far right.

Again, you're putting US politics today into German 1920s and 1930s. The working people had suffered a lot in the history of the world, Hitler was one of these. Giving working class people better conditions is not necessarily left wing, and it certainly doesn't cancel out all of the right wing policies that were implemented.

So if they killed everyone not Aryan, set up a socialist run economic system, it can't be called socialism?

You say for the collective good is socialism. So when the US goes to war in Iraq or Afghanistan supposedly for the good of the country, this is in fact Socialist George Bush going to war? Or are you saying he only went to war for a few rich people?

Nationalism is often about the good of a collective group, patriotism is also the same thing, trying to bring people together under the flag, the anthem and all that. Or are you suggesting that anyone patriotic is just a schmuck who is being taken for a ride by the rich?

You are confusing terms. Doing what one sees as good for America doesn't make them a socialist. Stripping away individual rights for the good of the collective does. That's what a collective is. You become a worker bee in the hive. That isn't right wing.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Hitler was a GERMAN ETHNIC NATIONALIST. There were Germanic peoples in various border countries of Germany.
As for the rest, the Slavs and anyone else, they weren't being brought into the fold, they were generally being enslaved, especially the Slavs and the Jews.
Russia was going to be made into a new homeland for the German people, good farm land would be settled and within a few generations after the victory in WW2 the whole area would have forgotten about the Slavic peoples.

Yes, the master race would remain the master race but the common people would be slaves of the state too. That's socialism. Not right wing.

Really? Coming from someone who seems to know have the slightest clue what he's talking about. Posting quotes that don't prove your point but you start insulting when someone tells you that you don't have anything to go on. Making leaps of faith with this too and pretending that it's all left wing without so much as a decent argument.

Then fluffing up history so much that it was if Hitler was offering the Slavs and Jews a nice cup of tea and then amazing job opportunities, especially in the camps I'd not doubt.

Give me a break.

So your stinking word farts are supposed to overide the quotes that demonstrate it was socialism? LOL. You don't like the fact that the Nazis had a socialist system, we get it. Tough shit tough, facts are stubborn things.

This is just groundhog day. You're just repeating the same thing over and over as if saying nonsense 100 times will make it true.

Is North Korea Democratic? They seem to think so, hence why the D in their name is Democratic.

If they set up a system which isn't socialist, then they are socialists. Got it? And they didn't set up a Socialist system.

Let's try the definition of Socialism for you.

socialism definition of socialism in Oxford dictionary American English US

"A political and economictheory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the communityas a whole."

Nazi Germany? Nope. Why? There were private companies operating for profit. In fact Hitler PRIVATIZED national industries.

American Heritage Dictionary Entry socialism

"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

Nazi Germany? Nope, same reason.

Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

"1 any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional betweencapitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"

Nazi Germany? Nope, same reasons, there was private ownership of companies AND private property.

socialism - definition. American English definition of socialism with pronunciation by Macmillan Dictionary

"a political system that aims to create a society in which everyone has equal opportunities and in which the most important industries are owned or controlled by the whole community"

Nazi Germany? Nope. Equality was not a measure of Nazi Germany, clearly. And industry was no owned or controlled by the whole community.

You're probably using a different definition then, which is what?

Actually, working like a slave is actually very right wing. It's also a part of extremism, it's why it's called extremism in the first place, because people are generally forced into something. The fact that you're trying to claim it's only left wing is just ridiculous.

When right and left wing became a term, in the French Revolution, those on the right wing were more monarchist, which was you served your king or lord and that was about it.

You seem to just pick and choose which bits you like without working on the basis that everyone else is working on. This isn't communication, sorry.

Also, Socialism was considered a stage towards Communism where everyone would be free and equal within society. No hierarchy at all, decisions made by the group for the group.

Conservatism, considered right wing, you would probably agree, comes from what was in the past. Strong leadership with a hierarchy. Now, clearly that was Hitler. To some extent it was also Stalin which is why the USSR was NOT Communist. However it was left wing in many aspects, and it was also EXTREME which meant the people didn't have a choice.

This seems to be where you're getting majorly confused. You're trying to go left and right when you should be going up and down and in and out, not left and right to figure out what you're talking about.

And you still think those quotes somehow prove Nazi Germany was Socialist. Efing hell.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Nazis were national socialists. They took control over business and controlled the economy, that's not exactly free market capitalism.

Oh did they now? So you can prove this made up piece of history then?

I did. It was in some of the quotes you claimed had no relevance. I can't fix stupid and you can't make it go away.

Haha. And still you cling to some quotes which don't do very much.

You haven't proven that what you claim those quotes say is actually Socialism. You just say it is. You go against all definitions of a word to come to your conclusion.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Saying Hitler was a leftist or socialist will get you thrown out of any college or university in the country that isn't a joke run by some a-hole New BS GOP RWer (Actually, none I know of- must be someone lol). One book, Liberal Fascism (The Economist: "Pure drivel") started this, fed by demagogues like Beck...

A horrible RW joke.

democrat, hater Dupes always blaming others, no responsibility

Take a year off from trolling and read....idiot.

More from the hater dupes

"hater dupes", those who hate immigrants seeking a better life, Dreamers, gays and lesbians, those in poverty, the working poor, labor unions, abortion providers, environmentalists, university professors, liberals, Democrats, progressives, RINO's and anyone who doesn't buy the dogmatic ideology of extreme conservatives.

Yep, that defines the Crazy Right Wing, those who dominate every thread and dumb it down.

 

[BluesLegend]

One claim that I'veseen quite often made on this board is that Hitler was left-wing, and not right-wing as almost every book on the subject states.

Look its not rocket science, the left has aborted more than 50 million human babies, does that sound like Hilter? Well there you go.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

^^3 RW brainwashed functional morons...

And they still can't tell anyone what right wing means.

Sure we can. I just did. Governmental systems are a teeter totter. On one side you have ultimate governmental control over the people and on the opposite side you have no government. That's the difference between right and left. So simple a moron could understand. So.....why are you having so much trouble with it?

Being a moron is apparently prerequisite to your definition.

And you still haven't addressed the simple fact that I stated. Governments are either collectivist or anarchical. Those are the only two extremes you can have. Arguing that Hitler was right wing and Stalin was leftwing is moronic in light of the facts of the two governments. BOTH governments viewed their subjects as property of the State. If you were no longer of use to the State you were killed.

Individuals had no rights in both countries. That sounds pretty left wing to me. You are merely nitpicking over the colors of the walls and the types of curtains you wish to decorate with. But the simple fact is it's the SAME FUCKING HOUSE!

Who cares what it sounds like to you? You have yet to substantiate your view with anything but superficial anecdotes and ideologically driven definitions.

WOW! Now THAT was truly a wonderful concession. Good stuff. You folded up like a $2.00 tent.

Noted and accepted.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Saying Hitler was a leftist or socialist will get you thrown out of any college or university in the country that isn't a joke run by some a-hole New BS GOP RWer (Actually, none I know of- must be someone lol). One book, Liberal Fascism (The Economist: "Pure drivel") started this, fed by demagogues like Beck...

A horrible RW joke.

democrat, hater Dupes always blaming others, no responsibility

Take a year off from trolling and read....idiot.

More from the hater dupes

"hater dupes", those who hate immigrants seeking a better life, Dreamers, gays and lesbians, those in poverty, the working poor, labor unions, abortion providers, environmentalists, university professors, liberals, Democrats, progressives, RINO's and anyone who doesn't buy the dogmatic ideology of extreme conservatives.

Yep, that defines the Crazy Right Wing, those who dominate every thread and dumb it down.

Holy CRAP!

Is there a sale on straw reasoning somewhere? And with a whoppin' dose of ad hom to BOOT!

LOL!

Just adorable.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. In short, only recently has small government been seen as a key ideological issue.

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perfect example of the pure and perfect ignorance of liberalism. THey have no idea that America is about small govt.

Here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison to help the perfectly ignorant and perfectly illiterate liberal understand America and its Constitution:

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

-24)Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

-25)Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.

-26)The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.

-27)Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

-28)Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I read what you posted. That doesn't mean I agree with you. And just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not reading what you post.

So Hitler gave paid vacation, breaks were longer, job security and a social system. And because you see this, somehow this automatically makes Hitler left wing, just based on this. What nonsense.

No, you didn't read the post(s). I said that's socialism, not right wing. I said it more closely resembles the left than the right. Socialism is on the left in most people's books.

If you look at what else was written you'll see ""Every member of an Aryan enterprise community shall assume the responsibilities required by his position in the said common enterprise." In other words, at the head of the company or the enterprise would be a living, breathing executive in charge, not a moneybags with unconditional power."

Aryan enterprise community. Seem a little suspicious to you? The reality is that Aryans got a higher status. Others got nothing. Jews did not get any of this. Nor slavs. Hitler merely changed the order of things. The Hierarchy was no longer the Emperor at the top and then working down to the working class people. Hitler had it so that the "Aryans" or Germanic people were pushed up ahead of all others.

You are flopping around all over the place here, they were national socialists. That means they were still socialists but with a racial slant. That doesn't change their social control over economics. A capitalist can be a nationalist too.

Similar to much of the far right in Europe now and what they want.

Also, you have to remember that this is about ethnic Nationalism, always was. This is considered right wing to far right.

Again, you're putting US politics today into German 1920s and 1930s. The working people had suffered a lot in the history of the world, Hitler was one of these. Giving working class people better conditions is not necessarily left wing, and it certainly doesn't cancel out all of the right wing policies that were implemented.

So if they killed everyone not Aryan, set up a socialist run economic system, it can't be called socialism?

You say for the collective good is socialism. So when the US goes to war in Iraq or Afghanistan supposedly for the good of the country, this is in fact Socialist George Bush going to war? Or are you saying he only went to war for a few rich people?

Nationalism is often about the good of a collective group, patriotism is also the same thing, trying to bring people together under the flag, the anthem and all that. Or are you suggesting that anyone patriotic is just a schmuck who is being taken for a ride by the rich?

You are confusing terms. Doing what one sees as good for America doesn't make them a socialist. Stripping away individual rights for the good of the collective does. That's what a collective is. You become a worker bee in the hive. That isn't right wing.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Hitler was a GERMAN ETHNIC NATIONALIST. There were Germanic peoples in various border countries of Germany.
As for the rest, the Slavs and anyone else, they weren't being brought into the fold, they were generally being enslaved, especially the Slavs and the Jews.
Russia was going to be made into a new homeland for the German people, good farm land would be settled and within a few generations after the victory in WW2 the whole area would have forgotten about the Slavic peoples.

Yes, the master race would remain the master race but the common people would be slaves of the state too. That's socialism. Not right wing.

Really? Coming from someone who seems to know have the slightest clue what he's talking about. Posting quotes that don't prove your point but you start insulting when someone tells you that you don't have anything to go on. Making leaps of faith with this too and pretending that it's all left wing without so much as a decent argument.

Then fluffing up history so much that it was if Hitler was offering the Slavs and Jews a nice cup of tea and then amazing job opportunities, especially in the camps I'd not doubt.

Give me a break.

So your stinking word farts are supposed to overide the quotes that demonstrate it was socialism? LOL. You don't like the fact that the Nazis had a socialist system, we get it. Tough shit tough, facts are stubborn things.

This is just groundhog day. You're just repeating the same thing over and over as if saying nonsense 100 times will make it true.

Is North Korea Democratic? They seem to think so, hence why the D in their name is Democratic.

If they set up a system which isn't socialist, then they are socialists. Got it? And they didn't set up a Socialist system.

Let's try the definition of Socialism for you.

socialism definition of socialism in Oxford dictionary American English US

"A political and economictheory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the communityas a whole."

Nazi Germany? Nope. Why? There were private companies operating for profit. In fact Hitler PRIVATIZED national industries.

American Heritage Dictionary Entry socialism

"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

Nazi Germany? Nope, same reason.

Accept, it wasn't truly private ownership and you dam' well know it.

Large swaths of the culture were forbidden from owning anything and anyone who was caught assisting those those within those swaths were subsequently forbidden from owning anything. Now who decided THAT? The Collective? No... THE STATE decided that... Therefore, in every SENSE of the concept: The NAZI STATE CONTROLLED THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION AND EXCHANGE.

So what you're pointing to distinction without a difference; two sides to the same socialist coin.

The HYSTERICAL PART OF IT, is that you're ARGUING that they're OPPOSITE.

And you can't BUY that level of delusion friend. THAT you gotta be BORN with.

 

[francoHFW]

Leftists don't love corporations and titled aristocrats, dupe. lol. It's pretty damn simple...

Neither did the Nazis.

Idiot. Ever heard of Messerschmidt, Krupp, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Toldt, Heinkel, etc etc, or Baron von Ribbentropp? OR for that matter Mitsubishi and Hirohito. That's RW totalitarianism or fascism. LW totalitarianism is communism- NO corporations or aristocratic titles. RW per se meaning small gov't and freedom is the New BS GOP propaganda, dupes. Socialism can just as easily be small gov't and freedom. Of course, you brainwashed chumpsw "think" socialism is communism...

 

[Wry Catcher]

One claim that I'veseen quite often made on this board is that Hitler was left-wing, and not right-wing as almost every book on the subject states.

Look its not rocket science, the left has aborted more than 50 million human babies, does that sound like Hilter? Well there you go.

Hyperbole squared? Conservative women never have an abortion? 50 Million? Post a credible source that this number is factual and during what time period?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. RW per se meaning small gov't and freedom is the New BS GOP propaganda,.

The 100% illiterate and perfect liberal actually has no idea that Aristotle Cicero Locke and our Founders also stood for freedom and small govt!!

The pure ignorance of liberals is not to be believed!!

 

[francoHFW]

An

. RW per se meaning small gov't and freedom is the New BS GOP propaganda,.

The 100% illiterate and perfect liberal actually has no idea that Aristotle Cicero Locke and our Founders also stood for freedom and small govt!!

The pure ignorance of liberals is not to be believed!!

And they were all liberals and radicals in their day, brainwashed functional moron. Gov't grew by leaps and bounds during Reagan and W Bush, has gotten smaller under Obama with more freedom- see gay rights, pot, ability to get affordable health care, etc etc. Choice is freedom, dingbat.

 

[BluesLegend]

One claim that I'veseen quite often made on this board is that Hitler was left-wing, and not right-wing as almost every book on the subject states.

Look its not rocket science, the left has aborted more than 50 million human babies, does that sound like Hilter? Well there you go.

Hyperbole squared? Conservative women never have an abortion? 50 Million? Post a credible source that this number is factual and during what time period?

Do you deny that Democrats, and liberals in particular are not the champions who are defending the right to horribly mutilate helpless human life forms in the womb? How many has the left killed 5x as many as Hitler?

 

[francoHFW]

And now, freedom to get free birth control, saving EVERYONE money.