How the Republican Government shutdown works

[whitehall]

Here's how the blame game works. Democrats get their minions in the media to threaten a government shutdown and blame republicans unless democrats get their way no matter what the issue is. All democrats have to do as refuse to budge and republicans will get the blame. How in the world can democrats justify their loyalty to the PP nazis who sell human body parts and shut down the government over funding to Planned Parenthood? Yet they get to blame republicans.

 

[David_42]

With everything Republicans can do to make this country better.....improve healthcare, energy, jobs programs, immigration reform...

Republicans put everything on a back burner so they can kill Planned Parenthood

Republicans have no interest in helping americans, at least not anymore. Hell, reagan would be called a democrat by todays insane GOP.

 

[ScienceRocks]

During the last Government Shutdown, the Democrat Executive Administration in charge showed what a façade the shutdown really is. How do you explain using the shutdown to keep WW 2 veterans from visiting their memorial yet across the street at the Mall, persons who had illegally entered the US were allowed to occupy the Mall for their cause? Clearly, the Democrat administration in charge chose illegals over WW2 vets during a shutdown.

What part of the WW2 memorial do you consider an essential government service exempt from the shutdown?

Dying off WW2 American Veterans consider it essential......were they ever essential for you people? Clearly, it was more important [essential] to you people to facilitate an illegal immigrant rally and enforce the shut down to keep out the WW2 Veterans.

The Government was shut down....it was in all the papers
Anyone visiting DC should have checked what was open. People missed out on the White House, Museums, memorials and all national parks way beyond one memorial

If it was so important, Republicans should have thought of it before they shut down government in butthurt over Obamacare

Keep selling yourself. The image was clear......WW2 Veterans were shut out and illegals were welcomed. The cherry picking enforcement was done by the Republicans??? How? Your retorts might have substance if not for the illegals on the Mall.

Everyone was shit out in parks and monuments around the country...they can thank the Republicans for shutting down government just so they could deny healthcare to Americans

This want right into our science institutions as no one could get the latest storm warnings from the nws or quakes from the usgs. Billions of dollars in cancer cures were left to rot...

Fucking republicans don't give a shit.

 

[ScienceRocks]

First, congressional conservatives, mostly in the House but sometimes with the assistance of a senator or two (especially Ted Cruz), find something they're really mad about and threaten to do something drastic.

The conservatives say unless they get what they want, they'll withhold their support for the next CR that will keep the government operating.

Their leaders, understanding the history of government shutdowns, tell them that it really won't accomplish anything and will only hurt Republican goals.

The insurgent conservatives get lots of support from right-wing talk radio, telling them to stand up for principle and stick it to all those Washington insiders.

Eventually, the CR passes, usually with the support of Democrats. The conservatives say that their leaders have betrayed them.


How the upcoming government shutdown fight will help Donald Trump

Rinse, repeat


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When are they not really mad about something? I ask that question because in my experience, they're perpetually the angriest, most unhappy people in America. I could understand it if they were truly suffering in some way. But they're suffering always seems to be a state of mind, and little else.

I just can't imagine spending another $24 billion to shut down government again, just because of a grudge against Planned Parenthood.
Don't Republicans have anything better to do?

They must like handing out more welfare to single mothers to raise the children that could of been prevented by birth control or abortion.

 

[rightwinger]

First, congressional conservatives, mostly in the House but sometimes with the assistance of a senator or two (especially Ted Cruz), find something they're really mad about and threaten to do something drastic.

The conservatives say unless they get what they want, they'll withhold their support for the next CR that will keep the government operating.

Their leaders, understanding the history of government shutdowns, tell them that it really won't accomplish anything and will only hurt Republican goals.

The insurgent conservatives get lots of support from right-wing talk radio, telling them to stand up for principle and stick it to all those Washington insiders.

Eventually, the CR passes, usually with the support of Democrats. The conservatives say that their leaders have betrayed them.


How the upcoming government shutdown fight will help Donald Trump

Rinse, repeat


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When are they not really mad about something? I ask that question because in my experience, they're perpetually the angriest, most unhappy people in America. I could understand it if they were truly suffering in some way. But they're suffering always seems to be a state of mind, and little else.

I just can't imagine spending another $24 billion to shut down government again, just because of a grudge against Planned Parenthood.
Don't Republicans have anything better to do?

They must like handing out more welfare to single mothers to raise the children that could of been prevented by birth control or abortion.

At that point Republicans would rather let em die

 

[Faun]

OBAMA (and his Democrats running Congress) set national records for 'Monthly', 'Annual', and 'Total' deficit Spending. Obama added more debt in his 1st 4 years than EVERY US President from Washington to Bush ... COMBINED!

Hell, Reagan almost tripled the debt of all presdents before him combined and righties think he's a demigod.

 

[ScienceRocks]

OBAMA (and his Democrats running Congress) set national records for 'Monthly', 'Annual', and 'Total' deficit Spending. Obama added more debt in his 1st 4 years than EVERY US President from Washington to Bush ... COMBINED!

Hell, Reagan almost tripled the debt of all presdents before him combined and righties think he's a demigod.

Plus granting amnesty to 3 million hispanics, running away after 300 marines were slaughtered and spending just as much on infrastructure, science, r&d and education by gdp as we do today. lol

 

[Dad2three]

Its strange....the Republicans control Congress now and the only tool they have in their toolbox is the threat of shutting down government

Then they are outraged when services are not available.
"What do you mean the park is closed?"

The president gets to choose what park gets closed. Kinda like Obama choose to close a ww2 memorial to veterans and choose to reopen it for an illegal immigrant rally.

No he doesn't

Each agency must provide a list of those jobs and functions deemed essential and those deemed non-essential
Surprisingly....Parks have been identified as a "non-essential" government function

Why didn't Clinton close it when the government shut down during his presidency?

Google IS your friend:



"Wrong. Denis P. Galvin, deputy director of the park service during the Reagan, Clinton and Bush administrations, said that shutdown plans — “done hastily, because you’re always hoping the closure won’t happen” — were in keeping with past practices. In 1995 and 1996, he said, the Lincoln Memorial was closed, as were the Statue of Liberty, the Gateway Arch in St. Louis and other monuments around the country. Indeed, Post accounts of those shutdowns detailed the frustration of tourists who found monuments and museums closed, campers evicted from national parks, the governor of Arizona ordering National Guard troops to the Grand Canyon in an attempt to keep it open and two teams of 7-year-old soccer players evicted from a national park in Anacostia. “The children pleaded. The parents pleaded. The coach pleaded. The answer? Closed,” read a Nov. 20, 1995, article..."



Why did national parks close? Ask the Republicans.

 

[Dad2three]

Every time that someone in Washington tries to do the responsible thing and rein in Federal spending even SLIGHTLY you folks on the left who love big government start hyperventilating about how cutting government programs will be the end of world as we know it!

Barack Obama's put this country further in debt than most of the Presidents who preceded him combined! Spending money on a budget you can't afford is easy...you're just kicking the can down the road for someone else to deal with...a specialty of this President!

Can you name the specific Obama programs that led to this massive debt?

I'd like to see them

Are you disputing the fact that the money has been spent? Seriously?

Can't back up your posit?

Know what else causes debt? When you GUT tax revenues AS you go to 2 UNFUNDED wars (cut spending OR increase revenues!) and UNFUNDED Medicare expansion that stops the US from negotiating prices with Pharma

 

[Dad2three]

While they're at it, they should simply refuse to raise the debt ceiling. There is no need to worry about defaulting on the debt, there's more than enough revenue coming in to cover those payments.

Don't understand the debt ceiling is simply an artificial thing that is there, for monies Congress always spent?


"Increasing the debt limit does not enlarge the nation's financial commitments, but allows the government to fund obligations already legislated by Congress."






Interest? Yep, who cares if the US gets downgraded OR it causes ANOTHER GOP great depression

 

[Dad2three]

You don't understand

Obama is only allowed to have essential employees report for work during a shutdown. There is nothing essential about visiting parks. Protecting parks is considered essential

The WW2 memorial is open air. So is the Lincoln Memorial and Jefferson Memorial. They are all closed in a shutdown and guards are posted to protect the property

Clinton didn't shut down open air memorials or monuments.

Link

I don't see how Clinton justified parks as essential services

I said open air memorials or monuments. I don't know about parks. They do take employees to run those. I would have to look that up, but Obama made sure that veteran's wouldn't get to see the ww2 memorial. Some for the first and last time. Shame on Obama and the people that support him.

They are still under the parks system and non-essential. The government shutdown was in all the papers. Anyone visiting Washington should have checked whats open. People missed out on the Capital, museums, Washington Monument...everything in the mall. Not just the WW2 memorial was affected by the Republican shutdown

You still haven't explained why you think monuments are essential

Who cares? In the end all it was was an extended vacation for government bloodsuckers.

AND the GOP shutdown only cost an additional $1+ billion

 

[Dad2three]

Security is identified as an essential function. Opening the parks is not

There is no need for security at the ww2 monument. Obama hates our veterans and this proved how much.

That's ridiculous. There is security at the memorial right now. Take away maintenance and security from it for a couple weeks while leaving it open and it will be covered in litter and grafiti.

There was a guy that cut grass at the ww2 memorial. So there is a security guard 24/7 at all the memorials and monuments right now?

Yes there is security 24/7. Imagine what conservatives would have done to the Lincoln memorial by now if there was no security.

Lincoln was a RINO. Grrrrrrrr.

Abraham Lincoln Might Have Been a Republican, But He Damn Sure Wasn’t a Conservative


Anytime racism is brought up in the realm of political debate, it’s inevitable that some conservative will use the worn out (and ignorant) line of, “Abraham Lincoln was a Republican!” Which, of course, is true. Lincoln was in fact a Republican. Lincoln also instituted the first “income tax,” and told the Southern states claiming “states’ rights” when it came to slavery that they were completely full of crap. Could you imagine a Republican today creating a tax and telling states that their claim of “states’ rights” on an issue was absurd? Abraham Lincoln might have been a Republican, but that was before Republicans became “conservatives.”

Abraham Lincoln Might Have Been a Republican, But He Damn Sure Wasn't a Conservative

 

[Oldstyle]

OBAMA (and his Democrats running Congress) set national records for 'Monthly', 'Annual', and 'Total' deficit Spending. Obama added more debt in his 1st 4 years than EVERY US President from Washington to Bush ... COMBINED!

Hell, Reagan almost tripled the debt of all presdents before him combined and righties think he's a demigod.

Simple question for you Faun...give me the dollar amount that Ronald Reagan increased our debt by...and then give me the dollar amount that Barack Obama has increased our debt by.

 

[Dad2three]

Most likely because it didn't exist.

You got me on that one, but Clinton didn't close the park system down that I remember.

If he didn't he should have, since there's no one there to protect or maintain them.

So you're saying the best time to go party at a federal park is during a shutdown.
Gotcha. Thx. .

Probably. That's why they put barricades around the monuments. To protect them during the shutdown.

Right, because people who will destroy stone and metal monuments wouldn't hop a plastic barricade to do it. You actually are a rocket scientist, aren't you?

Remember how the doofus in the Oval Office spent $64 billion more shutting government down than it would have cost to operate it?

MUST be some CONservative "math and history" crap

GOP PROUDLY TOOK CREDIT HOWEVER, REMEMBER??? lol

 

[Oldstyle]

And don't even TRY and trot out that statistical smoke and mirrors routine about percentage of increase over those that came before.

 

[Dad2three]

OBAMA (and his Democrats running Congress) set national records for 'Monthly', 'Annual', and 'Total' deficit Spending. Obama added more debt in his 1st 4 years than EVERY US President from Washington to Bush ... COMBINED!

Hell, Reagan almost tripled the debt of all presdents before him combined and righties think he's a demigod.

Simple question for you Faun...give me the dollar amount that Ronald Reagan increased our debt by...and then give me the dollar amount that Barack Obama has increased our debt by.

Ah the old nominal dollar trick the right wing LOVES. Hint YES REAGAN TRIPLED EVERY OTHER US PREZ DEBT (AND CREATED 3+ TRILLION IN EXCESS SS PAYMENTS TO "SAVE" SS THAT MUST BE PAID BACK (1986-2014), TO HIDE THE COSTS OF TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!)...

 

[Dad2three]

Right, because people who will destroy stone and metal monuments wouldn't hop a plastic barricade to do it. You actually are a rocket scientist, aren't you?

Remember how the doofus in the Oval Office spent $64 billion more shutting government down than it would have cost to operate it?

About the $64 billion.... Obama: "well you don't worry about that. I'm sending a message"...

What $64 billion are you talking about?

You know the rules, comrade big guy. You don't get to ask questions until you start answering them

I really don't care...just go on making up numbers...it is what you do best

Hey, you said you're a liar because only a liar doesn't back up their statements, so what difference does your opinion make?

SAYS the Klown making up shit AND when asked to back it up, attacks the poster *shaking head*

$64 billion huh? lol

 

[sealybobo]

First, congressional conservatives, mostly in the House but sometimes with the assistance of a senator or two (especially Ted Cruz), find something they're really mad about and threaten to do something drastic.

The conservatives say unless they get what they want, they'll withhold their support for the next CR that will keep the government operating.

Their leaders, understanding the history of government shutdowns, tell them that it really won't accomplish anything and will only hurt Republican goals.

The insurgent conservatives get lots of support from right-wing talk radio, telling them to stand up for principle and stick it to all those Washington insiders.

Eventually, the CR passes, usually with the support of Democrats. The conservatives say that their leaders have betrayed them.


How the upcoming government shutdown fight will help Donald Trump

Rinse, repeat


.

The GOP are smart because they always control the message. First they insisted on tax breaks for the rich and corporations and when infrastructure needs repairing they say they have to raise our taxes because we just don't have the money.

 

[Oldstyle]

Reagan took us from 700 billion to 2 trillion in debt.

Obama took us from 6 trillion to 13 trillion in a year and a half less than Reagan.

So let's do the math on that, Kiddies? Who's the guy who buried us in debt and who's not?

 

[Dad2three]

First, congressional conservatives, mostly in the House but sometimes with the assistance of a senator or two (especially Ted Cruz), find something they're really mad about and threaten to do something drastic.

The conservatives say unless they get what they want, they'll withhold their support for the next CR that will keep the government operating.

Their leaders, understanding the history of government shutdowns, tell them that it really won't accomplish anything and will only hurt Republican goals.

The insurgent conservatives get lots of support from right-wing talk radio, telling them to stand up for principle and stick it to all those Washington insiders.

Eventually, the CR passes, usually with the support of Democrats. The conservatives say that their leaders have betrayed them.


How the upcoming government shutdown fight will help Donald Trump

Rinse, repeat


.

During the last Government Shutdown, the Democrat Executive Administration in charge showed what a façade the shutdown really is. How do you explain using the shutdown to keep WW 2 veterans from visiting their memorial yet across the street at the Mall, persons who had illegally entered the US were allowed to occupy the Mall for their cause? Clearly, the Democrat administration in charge chose illegals over WW2 vets during a shutdown.

What part of the WW2 memorial do you consider an essential government service exempt from the shutdown?

Dying off WW2 American Veterans consider it essential......were they ever essential for you people? Clearly, it was more important [essential] to you people to facilitate an illegal immigrant rally and enforce the shut down to keep out the WW2 Veterans.

The Government was shut down....it was in all the papers
Anyone visiting DC should have checked what was open. People missed out on the White House, Museums, memorials and all national parks way beyond one memorial

If it was so important, Republicans should have thought of it before they shut down government in butthurt over Obamacare

Keep selling yourself. The image was clear......WW2 Veterans were shut out and illegals were welcomed. The cherry picking enforcement was done by the Republicans??? How? Your retorts might have substance if not for the illegals on the Mall.

YEP:

The 140 or so elderly vets, from Mississippi and Iowa, arrived in Washington on long-planned "Honor Flights" — heavily subsidized tours of Washington memorials for the wars the vets served in. When they encountered the fence around the WWII monument, they were greeted by a group of Republican lawmakers who helped them cut the tape and move the barriers that sealed the grounds, with park rangers looking on



...The charge is that Obama is trying to make Republicans look bad by focusing budget cuts on the places most noticeable to average citizens.

Is it a fair charge, though? National Park Service spokeswoman Carol Johnson says that the agency is furloughing some 330 park rangers and workers assigned to the Mall — as well as Johnson herself — leaving just the Park Police to guard the monuments and memorials. Technically, the entire Mall will be closed, but "NPS doesn't have enough barricades to mark off the entire expanse," notes Washingtonian's Benjamin Freed.

"We have been getting quite a few calls from Honor Flights and have had to let them know that the memorial will be closed and the fountain will be off, that the Mall is legally closed," Johnson told The Washington Post on Monday.

"Park Service did not want to barricade these, but unfortunately we have been directed, because of the lack of appropriations, to close all facilities and grounds," Johnson told CNN on Tuesday. "I know that this is an open-air memorial, but we have people on staff who are CPR trained, (and) we want to make sure that we have maintenance crew to take care of any problems. What we're trying to do is protect this resource for future generations."




And the Washington monuments aren't alone. The National Park Service is furloughing 21,379 of its 24,645 employees and closing all 401 national parks, museums, battlefields, and other tourist draws under its care.

Is it really necessary to shut down all the monuments in Washington?