Is homeschooling a good solution?

[JoeNormal]

I wonder if people know that schools and education are a state activity and carried out by state boards of education, elected by state citizens, which in turn gives the responsibility to the 13,000 or so school districts within the states. Those district school boards are elected by citizens of the district? Couldn't ask for more local and state control. How did you vote in the last district or state school board election?

I wonder if people like you realize that there is this thing called "the Department of Education" in the federal government which unconstitutionally dictates requirements across the country.

And no genius, the state does not "in turn give the responsibility over to the local school districts". Did you also just wake up from a coma? When is the last time anyone relinquished power in this day and age of ego's and greed, and desire for control? Believe me, I spend a ton of time talking to the principles and teachers of my daughters school and all of them are fed up with the state telling them what to do. We should have control over education in our community, but thanks to idiot liberals, we no longer do. Hence the reason why more people are turning to home schooling than ever before.

How does Texas manage to get textbooks with intelligent design and AGW denial into their curriculum then?

Texas Textbooks: What happened, what it means, and what we can do about it

 

[kaz]

Properly teach the Constitution? What evidence do you have of that? Almost half my career has been teaching American Government classes at the high school level.

One of the biggest problems I have with conservatives who criticize education is the belief that because someone apparently doesn't know the Constitution or ignores what they were taught, that somehow equates to that the never were taught. Obama is an alleged Constitutional Law instructor and Harvard Law alumni, but he makes policy in direct conflict with the Constitution that any middle-schooler should know is illegal. That is why the courts smack his down on a regular basis!

As far as Common Core goes, the ignorance on that topic abounds. Common Core is not the problem, but the curriculum bought by school districts aligned with the Common Core standards, which they call Common Core, when it is not. On this forum and others, I have heard conservatives railing about the Common Core Social Studies Standards. It is really so sad that no such thing exists and anyone not knowing that should be immediately dismissed as a loon.

We don't criticize education itself, we criticize the educational system.

Actually there are many conservatives that are critical of education, and I just responded to one particular example on this thread.

Well, I am not sure why anyone would criticize education itself, that's silly.

I slam government schools all the time. I double majored in Math & Computer Science (U of Maryland) and have Masters degrees in Computer Science (Virginia Tech) and an MBA (U of Michigan). I criticize government schools BECAUSE I believe so strongly in education

Right, but you're not slamming education.. just the system of delivery. With which I totally agree.

I love when people say I hate education. I wish they would have told me this before I got an undergrad with a double minor, an MBA and my CPA... would have saved me a lotta time!

Exactly. I don't think Tory meant what he said, I think he was somehow confusing "education" with the "educational system" still

 

[Wilbur Right]

So your standard is that we can't want better public schools, we have to not use them even though we still have to pay for them.

I take it that to most people like you, your dollars are more important than your childs education. You worried more about paying taxes to.support schools instead of worrying that your kids are undergoing left wing indoctrination.

Dont you find that strange? And you all love the children so much.

Btw. The topic was home schooled vs public schools. Not public vs private schools.

Pay more attention.

 

[kaz]

So your standard is that we can't want better public schools, we have to not use them even though we still have to pay for them.

I take it that to most people like you, your dollars are more important than your childs education. You worried more about paying taxes to.support schools instead of worrying that your kids are undergoing left wing indoctrination.

Dont you find that strange? And you all love the children so much.

Btw. The topic was home schooled vs public schools. Not public vs private schools.

Pay more attention.

First of all, you didn't read my post. I said I did send my kids to private schools when the public schools were not adequate depending where we lived. My oldest daughter had lived in eight States by the time we graduated and went to three different high schools. She said it was like I was in the military, LOL.

Actually, I was in Management. Many of the moves were when I was in GE Management and they moved me every two years, including Maryland, California, Georgia and Connecticut. Though I also lived for other roles in Michigan, Virginia, New York and now North Carolina where I'm trying to stay. I also had jobs in Massachusetts, Ohio, Belgium and The Netherlands though I didn't move there.

Second of all, explain how a family is better off sending their kids to private school if that means they can't buy them food and clothing and you're also forcing them to pay for the government education they aren't using?

 

[Wilbur Right]

First of all, you didn't read my post.

I did read your posts.
You were commenting on a post I made to poodle dog about home schooling vs public.

If you want to talk bout private schools.vs public, fine.

I sent two of my three to.Catholic schools. They received an excellent elementary school education. I paid hundreds of dollars each month. I am not Catholic but they treated my kids great.

The public HS also did a nice job.

Ones an accountant, one a biology major grad and the other a junior in college studying actuarial sciences.

Amazing that a liberal such as you all think I am could have not one but three kids with college educations they can make a good living doing.

How did that happen you might ask.

 

[kaz]

First of all, you didn't read my post.

I did read your posts.
You were commenting on a post I made to poodle dog about home schooling vs public.

If you want to talk bout private schools.vs public, fine.

I sent two of my three to.Catholic schools. They received an excellent elementary school education. I paid hundreds of dollars each month. I am not Catholic but they treated my kids great.

The public HS also did a nice job.

Ones an accountant, one a biology major grad and the other a junior in college studying actuarial sciences.

Amazing that a liberal such as you all think I am could have not one but three kids with college educations they can make a good living doing.

How did that happen you might ask.

You didn't read my post. I said I have sent my kids to private schools and you asked me why I don't care about my kids enough to send them to private schools.

Stop being a schmuck

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't have clue, do you? I may be left of you on education, but to most people I am some where to the right of Attila the Hun. I don't like the liberal influences in education, but I really hate the ridiculous exaggerations by those on the right.

I'm not sure there is much "exaggeration" going on ART. Many public schools are teaching the egregious lie known as "Global Warming" (which, after being unequivocally proven to be a lie, was changed to "Climate Change"). They also refuse to properly teach the U.S. Constitution. And then of course there is the Common Core nonsense (which, in all fairness, most teachers I know hate).

Teachers don't set the curriculum so I'm not blaming them or you. But there is a huge indoctrination program being utilized by many states (sadly).

Properly teach the Constitution? What evidence do you have of that? Almost half my career has been teaching American Government classes at the high school level.

One of the biggest problems I have with conservatives who criticize education is the belief that because someone apparently doesn't know the Constitution or ignores what they were taught, that somehow equates to that the never were taught. Obama is an alleged Constitutional Law instructor and Harvard Law alumni, but he makes policy in direct conflict with the Constitution that any middle-schooler should know is illegal. That is why the courts smack his down on a regular basis!

As far as Common Core goes, the ignorance on that topic abounds. Common Core is not the problem, but the curriculum bought by school districts aligned with the Common Core standards, which they call Common Core, when it is not. On this forum and others, I have heard conservatives railing about the Common Core Social Studies Standards. It is really so sad that no such thing exists and anyone not knowing that should be immediately dismissed as a loon.

There are tons of school districts teaching that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" which is simply 100% false. Sorry, but that's not a learning problem. That's a curriculum problem.

And again - I'm not blaming the teachers on that. I realize it's the state's setting the curriculum. And you're 100% wrong on Common Core. It is the problem. The math is a joke. The teach a 17-step process which takes roughly 6 minutes to do what we were taught to do in one step which takes roughly 45 seconds.

Pardon me, but you just qualified for that group I was discussing.

Common Core is a set of standards. As such, standards do not dictate in any way how students are supposed to be taught. I have have taught Common Core standards in my Algebra classes for 5 years, so I think I am qualified on this topic. How I teach my class is entirely up to me. I do not teach the same way as the other two teachers who also teach Algebra. What I teach is clearly defined by the standards. For example, my students are required to lean how to calculate simple and compound interest using exponential growth equations. Nowhere does it say anything about how I should teach it, what textbooks to use, what materials to use, or what assessments I am required to give. None of that.

As to your assertion about how the Constitution is taught, I would merely ask where you got that information. I have taught social studies in two different states and in 7 different school districts. I think that assertion is more urban legend than anything else.

Pardon me....but even your wild view of this proves there is liberal indoctrination going on. There are not supposed to be any national "standards" as each state and each community is supposed to control the curriculum for their own states and communities. The federal government has zero authority to involve themselves in education. The fact that you recognize there is now a "set of standards" being forced on all 50 states proves what I said. Liberal indoctrination.

And you are 100% wrong on Common Core. Those "set of standards" include, and in fact dictates, how students are supposed to be taught. That's the entire point genius. If you don't dictate what they are to be taught, then you wouldn't have any "standards".

You've fallen off the sanity train on your last few posts. I implore you to hop back on ASAP. I beg you.

I don't know about Common Core yet I have been teaching it for 5 years, yet YOU have a better grasp? Do us all a favor and just shut your face!

Standards tell you WHAT you teach. Curriculum tells you HOW to teach.

I have 19 years experience, and a Master's degree in education. You have what training in this field?

 

[P@triot]

I'm not sure there is much "exaggeration" going on ART. Many public schools are teaching the egregious lie known as "Global Warming" (which, after being unequivocally proven to be a lie, was changed to "Climate Change"). They also refuse to properly teach the U.S. Constitution. And then of course there is the Common Core nonsense (which, in all fairness, most teachers I know hate).

Teachers don't set the curriculum so I'm not blaming them or you. But there is a huge indoctrination program being utilized by many states (sadly).

Properly teach the Constitution? What evidence do you have of that? Almost half my career has been teaching American Government classes at the high school level.

One of the biggest problems I have with conservatives who criticize education is the belief that because someone apparently doesn't know the Constitution or ignores what they were taught, that somehow equates to that the never were taught. Obama is an alleged Constitutional Law instructor and Harvard Law alumni, but he makes policy in direct conflict with the Constitution that any middle-schooler should know is illegal. That is why the courts smack his down on a regular basis!

As far as Common Core goes, the ignorance on that topic abounds. Common Core is not the problem, but the curriculum bought by school districts aligned with the Common Core standards, which they call Common Core, when it is not. On this forum and others, I have heard conservatives railing about the Common Core Social Studies Standards. It is really so sad that no such thing exists and anyone not knowing that should be immediately dismissed as a loon.

There are tons of school districts teaching that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" which is simply 100% false. Sorry, but that's not a learning problem. That's a curriculum problem.

And again - I'm not blaming the teachers on that. I realize it's the state's setting the curriculum. And you're 100% wrong on Common Core. It is the problem. The math is a joke. The teach a 17-step process which takes roughly 6 minutes to do what we were taught to do in one step which takes roughly 45 seconds.

Pardon me, but you just qualified for that group I was discussing.

Common Core is a set of standards. As such, standards do not dictate in any way how students are supposed to be taught. I have have taught Common Core standards in my Algebra classes for 5 years, so I think I am qualified on this topic. How I teach my class is entirely up to me. I do not teach the same way as the other two teachers who also teach Algebra. What I teach is clearly defined by the standards. For example, my students are required to lean how to calculate simple and compound interest using exponential growth equations. Nowhere does it say anything about how I should teach it, what textbooks to use, what materials to use, or what assessments I am required to give. None of that.

As to your assertion about how the Constitution is taught, I would merely ask where you got that information. I have taught social studies in two different states and in 7 different school districts. I think that assertion is more urban legend than anything else.

Pardon me....but even your wild view of this proves there is liberal indoctrination going on. There are not supposed to be any national "standards" as each state and each community is supposed to control the curriculum for their own states and communities. The federal government has zero authority to involve themselves in education. The fact that you recognize there is now a "set of standards" being forced on all 50 states proves what I said. Liberal indoctrination.

And you are 100% wrong on Common Core. Those "set of standards" include, and in fact dictates, how students are supposed to be taught. That's the entire point genius. If you don't dictate what they are to be taught, then you wouldn't have any "standards".

You've fallen off the sanity train on your last few posts. I implore you to hop back on ASAP. I beg you.

I don't know about Common Core yet I have been teaching it for 5 years, yet YOU have a better grasp? Do us all a favor and just shut your face!

Standards tell you WHAT you teach. Curriculum tells you HOW to teach.

I have 19 years experience, and a Master's degree in education. You have what training in this field?

What training do I have? An entire school of teachers plus a principle telling me that you are 100% full of shit and have no clue what you're talking about (or are flat out lying). They are forced to teach Common Core math and they hate it. We've had extensive discussions about it, junior. The fact that you're this ignorant about the issue makes me believe you're not even a teacher.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Admiral, there is no need to defend yourself. You are a professional and I salute you for being a teacher. Do not let anyone persuade you to think you are not. Those who complain need to step in and fix the problem....but I doubt they could handle it. Plus they'd have to be willing to give up being paid compared to the private sector.

That's like saying that if the mechanic doesn't fix your car correctly, that you can't complain. You have to fix it yourself. You're obviously an idiot.

Furthermore, the educational establishment doesn't allow anyone to fix it. All they do is demand more money. I could fix the problem with government education with the snap of my fingers: Simply abolish it and give every child a voucher.

Nobody understand an issue, can see the glaring flaw in the opposition, and point out the complete lack of logic in that glaring flaw like Bripat can. No wonder he causes liberals to flip the freak out on USMB.

The reason people flip out is their problem None of you even understand the problem, much less can offer a solution because all of your ignorance drives the discussion.

 

[P@triot]

Admiral, there is no need to defend yourself. You are a professional and I salute you for being a teacher. Do not let anyone persuade you to think you are not. Those who complain need to step in and fix the problem....but I doubt they could handle it. Plus they'd have to be willing to give up being paid compared to the private sector.

That's like saying that if the mechanic doesn't fix your car correctly, that you can't complain. You have to fix it yourself. You're obviously an idiot.

Furthermore, the educational establishment doesn't allow anyone to fix it. All they do is demand more money. I could fix the problem with government education with the snap of my fingers: Simply abolish it and give every child a voucher.

Nobody understand an issue, can see the glaring flaw in the opposition, and point out the complete lack of logic in that glaring flaw like Bripat can. No wonder he causes liberals to flip the freak out on USMB.

The reason people flip out is their problem None of you even understand the problem, much less can offer a solution because all of your ignorance drives the discussion.

I can offer a solution. Been doing it for years. It's so simple, only liberals can't understand it: return to Constitutional government. Literally 100% of our problems are solved after that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Properly teach the Constitution? What evidence do you have of that? Almost half my career has been teaching American Government classes at the high school level.

One of the biggest problems I have with conservatives who criticize education is the belief that because someone apparently doesn't know the Constitution or ignores what they were taught, that somehow equates to that the never were taught. Obama is an alleged Constitutional Law instructor and Harvard Law alumni, but he makes policy in direct conflict with the Constitution that any middle-schooler should know is illegal. That is why the courts smack his down on a regular basis!

As far as Common Core goes, the ignorance on that topic abounds. Common Core is not the problem, but the curriculum bought by school districts aligned with the Common Core standards, which they call Common Core, when it is not. On this forum and others, I have heard conservatives railing about the Common Core Social Studies Standards. It is really so sad that no such thing exists and anyone not knowing that should be immediately dismissed as a loon.

There are tons of school districts teaching that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" which is simply 100% false. Sorry, but that's not a learning problem. That's a curriculum problem.

And again - I'm not blaming the teachers on that. I realize it's the state's setting the curriculum. And you're 100% wrong on Common Core. It is the problem. The math is a joke. The teach a 17-step process which takes roughly 6 minutes to do what we were taught to do in one step which takes roughly 45 seconds.

Pardon me, but you just qualified for that group I was discussing.

Common Core is a set of standards. As such, standards do not dictate in any way how students are supposed to be taught. I have have taught Common Core standards in my Algebra classes for 5 years, so I think I am qualified on this topic. How I teach my class is entirely up to me. I do not teach the same way as the other two teachers who also teach Algebra. What I teach is clearly defined by the standards. For example, my students are required to lean how to calculate simple and compound interest using exponential growth equations. Nowhere does it say anything about how I should teach it, what textbooks to use, what materials to use, or what assessments I am required to give. None of that.

As to your assertion about how the Constitution is taught, I would merely ask where you got that information. I have taught social studies in two different states and in 7 different school districts. I think that assertion is more urban legend than anything else.

Pardon me....but even your wild view of this proves there is liberal indoctrination going on. There are not supposed to be any national "standards" as each state and each community is supposed to control the curriculum for their own states and communities. The federal government has zero authority to involve themselves in education. The fact that you recognize there is now a "set of standards" being forced on all 50 states proves what I said. Liberal indoctrination.

And you are 100% wrong on Common Core. Those "set of standards" include, and in fact dictates, how students are supposed to be taught. That's the entire point genius. If you don't dictate what they are to be taught, then you wouldn't have any "standards".

You've fallen off the sanity train on your last few posts. I implore you to hop back on ASAP. I beg you.

I don't know about Common Core yet I have been teaching it for 5 years, yet YOU have a better grasp? Do us all a favor and just shut your face!

Standards tell you WHAT you teach. Curriculum tells you HOW to teach.

I have 19 years experience, and a Master's degree in education. You have what training in this field?

What training do I have? An entire school of teachers plus a principle telling me that you are 100% full of shit and have no clue what you're talking about (or are flat out lying). They are forced to teach Common Core math and they hate it. We've had extensive discussions about it, junior. The fact that you're this ignorant about the issue makes me believe you're not even a teacher.

Give me a link! Prove it!

The reason you cannot do it is because it does not exist. You and your friends are talking about curriculum, which is NOT Common Core but is designed by textbook companies. They may hate the curriculum, but it does not change the facts.Curriculum is a state and local decision, completely unaffected by each state's decision to use Common Core standards.

 

[Unkotare]

Admiral, there is no need to defend yourself. You are a professional and I salute you for being a teacher. Do not let anyone persuade you to think you are not. Those who complain need to step in and fix the problem....but I doubt they could handle it. Plus they'd have to be willing to give up being paid compared to the private sector.

That's like saying that if the mechanic doesn't fix your car correctly, that you can't complain. You have to fix it yourself. You're obviously an idiot.

Furthermore, the educational establishment doesn't allow anyone to fix it. All they do is demand more money. I could fix the problem with government education with the snap of my fingers: Simply abolish it and give every child a voucher.

Nobody understand an issue, can see the glaring flaw in the opposition, and point out the complete lack of logic in that glaring flaw like Bripat can. No wonder he causes liberals to flip the freak out on USMB.

The reason people flip out is their problem None of you even understand the problem, much less can offer a solution because all of your ignorance drives the discussion.

You know, you're not really facilitating academically productive talk by striking this antagonistic tone and being overly defensive.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What failure? Just because you cons at somthing , doesn't make it so .

"What failure"?!? Did you just wake up from a coma? How about the failure of the federal government to uphold the U.S. Constitution and (under Jimmy Carter), illegally form the Department of Education. And then, after that failure, to pump in hundreds of billions of dollars (probably in the trillions by now) only to see test scores plummet since then.

If that's not the definition of failure, I don't know what is. But of course, this requires you to accept reality and facts - something liberals refuse to do.

Where is your link to these test scores plummeting? We'll wait while you search and find you are in error.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I wonder if people know that schools and education are a state activity and carried out by state boards of education, elected by state citizens, which in turn gives the responsibility to the 13,000 or so school districts within the states. Those district school boards are elected by citizens of the district? Couldn't ask for more local and state control. How did you vote in the last district or state school board election?

I wonder if people like you realize that there is this thing called "the Department of Education" in the federal government which unconstitutionally dictates requirements across the country.

And no genius, the state does not "in turn give the responsibility over to the local school districts". Did you also just wake up from a coma? When is the last time anyone relinquished power in this day and age of ego's and greed, and desire for control? Believe me, I spend a ton of time talking to the principles and teachers of my daughters school and all of them are fed up with the state telling them what to do. We should have control over education in our community, but thanks to idiot liberals, we no longer do. Hence the reason why more people are turning to home schooling than ever before.

If you do not know that the head of a school is called a "principal", maybe you don't know the subject as well as you think you do.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't have clue, do you? I may be left of you on education, but to most people I am some where to the right of Attila the Hun. I don't like the liberal influences in education, but I really hate the ridiculous exaggerations by those on the right.

I'm not sure there is much "exaggeration" going on ART. Many public schools are teaching the egregious lie known as "Global Warming" (which, after being unequivocally proven to be a lie, was changed to "Climate Change"). They also refuse to properly teach the U.S. Constitution. And then of course there is the Common Core nonsense (which, in all fairness, most teachers I know hate).

Teachers don't set the curriculum so I'm not blaming them or you. But there is a huge indoctrination program being utilized by many states (sadly).

Properly teach the Constitution? What evidence do you have of that? Almost half my career has been teaching American Government classes at the high school level.

One of the biggest problems I have with conservatives who criticize education is the belief that because someone apparently doesn't know the Constitution or ignores what they were taught, that somehow equates to that the never were taught. Obama is an alleged Constitutional Law instructor and Harvard Law alumni, but he makes policy in direct conflict with the Constitution that any middle-schooler should know is illegal. That is why the courts smack his down on a regular basis!

As far as Common Core goes, the ignorance on that topic abounds. Common Core is not the problem, but the curriculum bought by school districts aligned with the Common Core standards, which they call Common Core, when it is not. On this forum and others, I have heard conservatives railing about the Common Core Social Studies Standards. It is really so sad that no such thing exists and anyone not knowing that should be immediately dismissed as a loon.

We don't criticize education itself, we criticize the educational system.

Actually there are many conservatives that are critical of education, and I just responded to one particular example on this thread.

Now that's ridiculous. Who is against education?

You, apparently. You criticize what you don't know anything about.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As to your assertion about how the Constitution is taught, I would merely ask where you got that information. I have taught social studies in two different states and in 7 different school districts. I think that assertion is more urban legend than anything else.

As I said in another post as well, again, generally I agree things are stated correctly. But then they find things that aren't there, a right to privacy, a right to an abortion, the right for men to go to women's bathrooms and other things that aren't there. They think all businesses are covered by the right to regulate interstate commerce. You have to be smart enough to separate the definitions which are generally right from the discussions which frequently are not

So, you have a problem with actually teaching based on the Supreme Court decisions that explains those so-called rights? Isn't that educating the students to your side also?

Perhaps if you were a teacher or actually sat in a classroom while these type of lessons are being taught, you might actually have a difference of opinion. But you could never do that, right?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Admiral, there is no need to defend yourself. You are a professional and I salute you for being a teacher. Do not let anyone persuade you to think you are not. Those who complain need to step in and fix the problem....but I doubt they could handle it. Plus they'd have to be willing to give up being paid compared to the private sector.

That's like saying that if the mechanic doesn't fix your car correctly, that you can't complain. You have to fix it yourself. You're obviously an idiot.

Furthermore, the educational establishment doesn't allow anyone to fix it. All they do is demand more money. I could fix the problem with government education with the snap of my fingers: Simply abolish it and give every child a voucher.

Nobody understand an issue, can see the glaring flaw in the opposition, and point out the complete lack of logic in that glaring flaw like Bripat can. No wonder he causes liberals to flip the freak out on USMB.

The reason people flip out is their problem None of you even understand the problem, much less can offer a solution because all of your ignorance drives the discussion.

I can offer a solution. Been doing it for years. It's so simple, only liberals can't understand it: return to Constitutional government. Literally 100% of our problems are solved after that.

We need more than your stupid bumper sticker slogan.

 

[Unkotare]

Admiral, there is no need to defend yourself. You are a professional and I salute you for being a teacher. Do not let anyone persuade you to think you are not. Those who complain need to step in and fix the problem....but I doubt they could handle it. Plus they'd have to be willing to give up being paid compared to the private sector.

That's like saying that if the mechanic doesn't fix your car correctly, that you can't complain. You have to fix it yourself. You're obviously an idiot.

Furthermore, the educational establishment doesn't allow anyone to fix it. All they do is demand more money. I could fix the problem with government education with the snap of my fingers: Simply abolish it and give every child a voucher.

Nobody understand an issue, can see the glaring flaw in the opposition, and point out the complete lack of logic in that glaring flaw like Bripat can. No wonder he causes liberals to flip the freak out on USMB.

The reason people flip out is their problem None of you even understand the problem, much less can offer a solution because all of your ignorance drives the discussion.

I can offer a solution. Been doing it for years. It's so simple, only liberals can't understand it: return to Constitutional government. Literally 100% of our problems are solved after that.

We need more than your stupid bumper sticker slogan.

Calm down, champ. Easy does it. You're a little overwrought.

 

[P@triot]

That's like saying that if the mechanic doesn't fix your car correctly, that you can't complain. You have to fix it yourself. You're obviously an idiot.

Furthermore, the educational establishment doesn't allow anyone to fix it. All they do is demand more money. I could fix the problem with government education with the snap of my fingers: Simply abolish it and give every child a voucher.

Nobody understand an issue, can see the glaring flaw in the opposition, and point out the complete lack of logic in that glaring flaw like Bripat can. No wonder he causes liberals to flip the freak out on USMB.

The reason people flip out is their problem None of you even understand the problem, much less can offer a solution because all of your ignorance drives the discussion.

I can offer a solution. Been doing it for years. It's so simple, only liberals can't understand it: return to Constitutional government. Literally 100% of our problems are solved after that.

We need more than your stupid bumper sticker slogan.

Calm down, champ. Easy does it. You're a little overwrought.

Right? And the irony? He claims to be educating America's youth. Which, if true, simply proves what all of us have been saying all along!

 

[Centinel]

It has been demonstrated that capitalism yields better results than socialism. The fact that soviet citizens were clamboring for Levis and shoes, the long bread lines, should be proof enough.

Socialized solutions are sub-optimum compared to capitalist solutions.

If we want crappy schools, they should be socialized. If we want high quality schools, they should be privatized.