Johnson's Great Society

[eflatminor]

You fascist reactionaries cumwannabee "conservatives" (Jefferson would pee on you) can have you own opinions but not your own facts.

End of argument.

Okay. Here's a fact: since 1969, the rate of poverty is up over two percent.

Well done, well done...

Well done, well done to the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006 than set the conditions for the Great Recession. And well done to this administration in getting unemployment by more than 20% from its highest level and getting back more than 50% of the jobs lost because of the Great Recession.

Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

poverty has increase since the great society started spending with the goal of ending poverty.

Yes, the liberals would have us believe the near instant collapse of the black family exactly at the time of the Great Society was just coincidence and the continued collapse of our economy during FDR's liberal reign or Mao liberal reign in China had nothing to do with idiotic liberal disincentives.

The liberals would have us believe they spied for Stalin because he was making such great progress against the huge recession the Czars left him!!

Liberals simply lack the IQ to understand that an liberal state monopoly can't manage better than millions of people carefully looking out for their own best interests in voluntary peaceful capitalist relationships.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Okay. Here's a fact: since 1969, the rate of poverty is up over two percent.

Well done, well done...

Well done, well done to the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006 than set the conditions for the Great Recession. And well done to this administration in getting unemployment by more than 20% from its highest level and getting back more than 50% of the jobs lost because of the Great Recession.

Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.

Dealing with you is like dealing with a mentally damaged child, Edward. The poverty is up because of the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006, EB, no other reason: it crashed the economy badly. And it will go back to pre-2006 rates by 2016. Then President Christie will continue to reduce those rates.

 

[eflatminor]

Well done, well done to the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006 than set the conditions for the Great Recession. And well done to this administration in getting unemployment by more than 20% from its highest level and getting back more than 50% of the jobs lost because of the Great Recession.

Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.

Dealing with you is like dealing with a mentally damaged child, Edward. The poverty is up because of the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006, EB, no other reason: it crashed the economy badly. And it will go back to pre-2006 rates by 2016. Then President Christie will continue to reduce those rates.

Even if you were right, which you're not, the poverty rate would still be, at best, LEVEL! Think about it, not only did the downward trend in the poverty rate stop going down once the entitlement spending took off, it has NOT improved.

Who in the fuck spends trillions of dollars over half a century with no measurable improvement and then tries to call that a success? That's insane. Only a child, perhaps a mentally damaged one, would attempt to make such a claim.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nice spin. You've had 50 years of entitlements and spent trillions, yet poverty is up. Massive fail no matter how you attempt to spin it.

Dealing with you is like dealing with a mentally damaged child, Edward. The poverty is up because of the GOP Congress from 1994 to 2006, EB, no other reason: it crashed the economy badly. And it will go back to pre-2006 rates by 2016. Then President Christie will continue to reduce those rates.

Even if you were right, which you're not, the poverty rate would still be, at best, LEVEL! Think about it, not only did the downward trend in the poverty rate stop going down once the entitlement spending took off, it has NOT improved.

Who in the fuck spends trillions of dollars over half a century with no measurable improvement and then tries to call that a success? That's insane. Only a child, perhaps a mentally damaged one, would attempt to make such a claim.

I am right and your comment is wrong. How could it be level? Cutting poverty by 40 to 50% over a century is a success. You are mentally damaged for sure.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Black families had it best when Reagan was President.

Black families have never had it worse than the Obama Presidency.

Democrats thrive on a dependent class

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Thanks for proving your are dumber than a pile of dog shit Frank...

Importance

The Moynihan Report has had long-lasting and important implications. Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers. This would cause rates of divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s)—leading to vast increases in the numbers of female-headed households and the high rates of poverty, low educational outcomes, and inflated rates of abuse that are associated with them. Moynihan made a compelling contemporary argument for the provision of jobs, job programs, vocational training, and educational programs for the Black community. Modern scholars, including Douglas Massey, now consider the report one of the more influential in the construction of the War on Poverty.

Dems took the Moniyhan Report and did EVERYTHING they could to destroy the black family, so that the Government is now the male head of household in the vast majority of black families. Dem Social Programs have rewarded "divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births" making the male head of household an unnecessary appendage.

AGAIN: Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

AGAIN: The Moynihan Report has had long-lasting and important implications. Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers.

AGAIN: No matter how many times you repeat lies, they are still lies. The war on poverty was not a handout program.

AGAIN: The 'War on Poverty' was called the Office of Economic Opportunity. The core principles were opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. The program's goal was maximum feasible participation. One of the concepts of empowerment was poor people had a right to one-third of the seats on every local poverty program board. It was a community based program that focused on education as the keys to the city. Programs such as VISTA, Job Corps, Community Action Program, and Head Start were created to increase opportunity for the poor so they could pull themselves out of poverty with a hand UP, not a hand out. Even when Johnson effectively pulled the plug on the War on Poverty to fund the war in Vietnam, Shriver fought on and won. During the Shriver years more Americans got out of poverty than during any similar time in our history. (The Clinton years - employing the same philosophy - were the second best.) Ref

Here is one of the agencies created by the WOP...

Job Corps is a program administered by the United States Department of Labor that offers free-of-charge education and vocational training to youth ages 16 to 24.

Job Corps offers career planning, on-the-job training, job placement, residential housing, food service, driver's education, basic health and dental care, a bi-weekly basic living allowance and clothing allowance. Some centers offer childcare programs for single parents as well.

Besides vocational training, the Job Corps program also offers academic training, including basic reading and math, GED attainment, college preparatory, and Limited English Proficiency courses. Some centers also offer programs that allow students to remain in residence at their center while attending college.[citation needed] Job Corps provides career counseling and transition support to its students for up to one year after they graduate from the program.

Career paths

Career paths offered by Job Corps include:

Advanced manufacturing

Communication design
Drafting
Electronic assembly
Machine appliance repair
Machining
Welding
Manufacturing technology
Sign, billboard, and display

Automotive and machine repair

Automobile technician
General services technician
Collision repair and refinish
Heavy construction equipment mechanic
Diesel mechanic
Medium/heavy truck repair
Electronics tech
Stationary engineering

Construction

Bricklaying
Carpentry
Cement masonry
Concrete and terrazzo
Construction craft laborer
Electrical
Electrical overhead line
Facilities maintenance
Floor covering
Glazing
HVAC
Industrial engineering technician
Licensed electrician (bilingual)
Mechanical engineering technician
Painting
Plastering
Plumbing
Roto-Rooter plumbing
Tile setting

Extension programs

Advanced Career Training (ACT)
General Educational Development (GED)
Commercial driver's license (CDL)
Off-Center Training (OCT Program)
High school diploma (HSD Program)

Finance and Business

Accounting services
Business management
Clerical occupations
Legal secretary
Insurance and financial services
Marketing
Medical insurance specialist
Office administration
Paralegal
Purchasing

Health care/allied health professions

Clinical medical assistant
Dental assistant
EKG technician
Emergency medical technician
Exercise/massage therapy
Hemodialysis technician
Licensed practical/vocational nurse
Medical office support
Nurse assistant/home health aide
Opticianry
Pharmacy technician
Phlebotomy
Physical therapy assistant
Rehabilitation therapy
Rehabilitation technician
Registered nurse
Respiratory therapy
Sterile processing
Surgical technician

Homeland security

Corrections officer
Seamanship
Security and protective services

Hospitality

Culinary arts
Hotel and lodging

Information technology

A+ Microsoft MSCE
Computer Networking/Cisco
Computer systems administrator
Computer support specialist
Computer technician
Integrated system tech
Network cable installation
Visual communications

Renewable resources and energy

Forest conservation and urban forestry
Firefighting
Wastewater
Landscaping

Retail sales and services

Behavioral health aide
Criminal justice
Child development
Residential advisor
Cosmetology
Retail sales

Transportation

Asphalt paving
Material and distribution operations
Clerical occupations
Heavy equipment operations
Roustabout operator
Heavy truck driving
TCU administrative clerk

Black youth unemployment is at its greatest level ever, this is a Progressive success. Minorities drop out of Democratic run public schools at record rates and then can't find employment

That's the system you built

 

[eflatminor]

Cutting poverty by 40 to 50% over a century is a success.

Yes, but what you FAIL to address is that poverty was headed down before we started spending on the great society. Since then, poverty is up.

50 years of declining poverty...then massive entitlement spending begins...and poverty increases. That's the great society's legacy.

But hey, keep up the childish name calling. That's really helping your case...

 

[JakeStarkey]

You give no evidence of that at all. Poverty has gone up from 14 to 16% because of the GOP congress's behavior from 1994 to 2006, when the GS reduced it from 26 to 17% in five years.

eflatminor, you have to causality much better than what you are doing.

 

[eflatminor]

You give no evidence of that at all. Poverty has gone up from 14 to 16% because of the GOP congress's behavior from 1994 to 2006, when the GS reduced it from 26 to 17% in five years.

eflatminor, you have to causality much better than what you are doing.

Horse hockey. First, poverty was dropping significantly even before the GS in '64. The poverty rate was about 22% in 1959. It dropped to about 17% when we signed the GS legislation in '64. From '64 to '69, we spent a pittance, at best, on entitlements, yet poverty CONTINUED to decline (JFK's lower tax rates also helped) to about 13% in '69.

The entitlement spending really started in 1969/1970, after which the rate of poverty stopped its downward trend and leveled off. As soon as we started spending significantly on entitlements, the poverty rate did not improve. As we spent EXPONENTIALLY more over the decades, it still didn't improve. Over the entire span of spending, poverty actually increased:

13.7 percent of Americans were poor in 1969...the national poverty rate has climbed to 15.8 percent, according to the new Census Bureau measure.

Golden State turns to lead, now leads poverty rankings | The Daily Caller

By any reasonable measure, the GS failed miserably. A rational person could not look at decades of entitlements and trillions of dollars spent and accept no improvement in the results. By any reasonable expectation of return, the GS was the worst investment in history.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

By any reasonable expectation of return, the GS was the worst investment in history.

yes only a liberal would say the destruction of the black family featuring 74% out of wedlock births, most young black men in prison, and hip-hop thug culture was a success!!

See why we are positive liberalism is based on pure ignorance.

 

[eflatminor]

By any reasonable expectation of return, the GS was the worst investment in history.

yes only a liberal would say the destruction of the black family featuring 74% out of wedlock births, most young black men in prison, and hip-hop thug culture was a success!!

See why we are positive liberalism is based on pure ignorance.

Sure, the results suck by any measure...but all these entitlement programs just FEELS right, and isn't that what's really important?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

By any reasonable expectation of return, the GS was the worst investment in history.

yes only a liberal would say the destruction of the black family featuring 74% out of wedlock births, most young black men in prison, and hip-hop thug culture was a success!!

See why we are positive liberalism is based on pure ignorance.

Sure, the results suck by any measure...but all these entitlement programs just FEELS right, and isn't that what's really important?

yes, the total ignorance and immaturity of supporting more and more welfare only to create the need for still more and more welfare is a tragic cycle the liberal lacks the IQ to understand, and so it may well destroy our country!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thanks to eflatminor and Edward for proving exactly what I said. GS reduced poverty dramatically and the 1994 to 2006 set the economic collapse that raised poverty by 2 points.

Don't you guys understand what you have done: shot your own argument in the head.

 

[Bfgrn]

You give no evidence of that at all. Poverty has gone up from 14 to 16% because of the GOP congress's behavior from 1994 to 2006, when the GS reduced it from 26 to 17% in five years.

eflatminor, you have to causality much better than what you are doing.

Horse hockey. First, poverty was dropping significantly even before the GS in '64. The poverty rate was about 22% in 1959. It dropped to about 17% when we signed the GS legislation in '64. From '64 to '69, we spent a pittance, at best, on entitlements, yet poverty CONTINUED to decline (JFK's lower tax rates also helped) to about 13% in '69.

The entitlement spending really started in 1969/1970, after which the rate of poverty stopped its downward trend and leveled off. As soon as we started spending significantly on entitlements, the poverty rate did not improve. As we spent EXPONENTIALLY more over the decades, it still didn't improve. Over the entire span of spending, poverty actually increased:

13.7 percent of Americans were poor in 1969...the national poverty rate has climbed to 15.8 percent, according to the new Census Bureau measure.

Golden State turns to lead, now leads poverty rankings | The Daily Caller

By any reasonable measure, the GS failed miserably. A rational person could not look at decades of entitlements and trillions of dollars spent and accept no improvement in the results. By any reasonable expectation of return, the GS was the worst investment in history.

You need to provide links for your mass ignorance, so we can see if some other lame brains are as misinformed as you.

The War on Poverty was never a war. Sargent Shriver did a great job considering LBJ pulled the plug on the program and Nixon ended it. Shriver used his skill and intelligence in creating the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO) which concretely consisted of the OEO, which developed and operated programs including the Community Action Program, Job Corps, Work-Training and Work-Study Programs, Volunteers in Service to America, and Head Start. The fact that Johnson turned his focus to escalating the war in Vietnam, meant that in the last half of the 1960s many of the programs operating under the auspices of the OEO were channeled into other departments or dismantled. In 1974 President Richard Nixon dissolved the OEO altogether.

David Zarefsky has written, “Perhaps the most obvious discrepancy was between the ‘unconditional war’ goals and the funds appropriated for prosecution of the campaign. Most programs were not budgeted beyond the pilot-project level.”

The War on Poverty did not call for redistribution of wealth to redress the “paradox of poverty in the midst of plenty.” Historian James T. Patterson has written, “the poverty program, like other government efforts of the early 1960s, reflected a conservative application of structuralist observations. The planners recognized that millions of the so-called new poor were not in the labor force, that they need income maintenance more than opportunity. They knew that formidable structural forces like technological change, shortages of decent paying jobs and racial discrimination blocked the opportunities of many who were willing and able to work.” As Harrington put it, “There never was a massive investment of billions of dollars in radical innovations that challenged the very structure of power in the United States.” The power structure of American capitalism and its accompanying socio-economic stratification remained intact, as they continue today.

 

[eflatminor]

You give no evidence of that at all. Poverty has gone up from 14 to 16% because of the GOP congress's behavior from 1994 to 2006, when the GS reduced it from 26 to 17% in five years.

eflatminor, you have to causality much better than what you are doing.

Horse hockey. First, poverty was dropping significantly even before the GS in '64. The poverty rate was about 22% in 1959. It dropped to about 17% when we signed the GS legislation in '64. From '64 to '69, we spent a pittance, at best, on entitlements, yet poverty CONTINUED to decline (JFK's lower tax rates also helped) to about 13% in '69.

The entitlement spending really started in 1969/1970, after which the rate of poverty stopped its downward trend and leveled off. As soon as we started spending significantly on entitlements, the poverty rate did not improve. As we spent EXPONENTIALLY more over the decades, it still didn't improve. Over the entire span of spending, poverty actually increased:

13.7 percent of Americans were poor in 1969...the national poverty rate has climbed to 15.8 percent, according to the new Census Bureau measure.

Golden State turns to lead, now leads poverty rankings | The Daily Caller

By any reasonable measure, the GS failed miserably. A rational person could not look at decades of entitlements and trillions of dollars spent and accept no improvement in the results. By any reasonable expectation of return, the GS was the worst investment in history.

You need to provide links...

You are free to look at the census figures and poverty rate trends on government websites. The figures are irrefutable. And I did provide a link to an article. Perhaps you should read a little more carefully???

The War on Poverty was never a war...

I don't give a crap what you call it, the rate of poverty is up after all that spending on entitlements. You made the problem of poverty worse with your meddling. Deal with it.

 

[eflatminor]

GS reduced poverty dramatically...

You go with that genius...

 

[JakeStarkey]

GS reduced poverty dramatically...

You go with that genius...

You can look it up: from the high twenties to the mid teens in five years.

 

[eflatminor]

GS reduced poverty dramatically...

You go with that genius...

You can look it up: from the high twenties to the mid teens in five years.

Tell you what then, since the period of '64 to '69 did in fact see the poverty rate continue it's long term decline, can we go back to the level of entitlement spending during that period? Deal???

 

[JakeStarkey]

You go with that genius...

You can look it up: from the high twenties to the mid teens in five years.

Tell you what then, since the period of '64 to '69 did in fact see the poverty rate continue it's long term decline, can we go back to the level of entitlement spending during that period? Deal???

There was no long term decline, except in poverty for the elderly, and that was because of Social Security.