Kansas Republicans Finally Admit, Tax Cuts Don’t Fuel Growth

[Blackrook]

A tax cut would be good for me, you're not going to trick me into thinking otherwise.

 

[frigidweirdo]

WHen I was a kid I was told that tax cuts never worked then someone showed me the stats on that which told me that the people who said they didn't work were wrong or liars. Do you know what the chart showed? The Bush years had higher economic growth than the Obama years. According to the national line the obama years only showed 1% economic growth while the Bush years topped out at 4%. I've been told that everything during the last eight years was OK dokey but it appears you have just showed that it wasn't as good as Obama was telling us which is nothing but more lies.

If you look at statistics wrong, you'll understand it wrong.

Bush had some good economic growth, that's true. But the economic growth wasn't sustainable. People don't want economic growth, they want to have a job this week, next year and in 10 years, not great economic growth this week and crashing recession next year.

 

[Dale Smith]

Leftards are like "MORE taxes MORE gubermint, MORE fees!!!....MORE entitlements and subsidies!!!"

 

[Dale Smith]

WHen I was a kid I was told that tax cuts never worked then someone showed me the stats on that which told me that the people who said they didn't work were wrong or liars. Do you know what the chart showed? The Bush years had higher economic growth than the Obama years. According to the national line the obama years only showed 1% economic growth while the Bush years topped out at 4%. I've been told that everything during the last eight years was OK dokey but it appears you have just showed that it wasn't as good as Obama was telling us which is nothing but more lies.

Reagan tripled the debt and had the corrupt S+L bubble. And the most corrupt administration ever by arrests. Great job!
Yup, great housing bubble under Booosh...How'd that work out? We have the best economy in the world under Obama, you stupid a-hole dupe...you think THAT might slow things down? DUHHHH...change the gd channel.

Yep, we just don't have enough "gubermint".....sad, very, very sad.....more gubermint and more stealing from others is the answer to a leftard.

 

[IsaacNewton]

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The Brownback Tax Cut Experiment in Kansas has finally come to an end. Not because Governor Brownback realized the tax cut and “Trickle Down” policies of the GOP are wrong. No, he still believes everything is just fine in Kansas. However, after five long years for the citizens of Kansas, the Republican super-majority in the state legislature has come to see the error of their ways.

The Kansas Republicans have just discovered what people of reason have known since Reagan first sold the American people his “Trickle Down” snake oil, that phony numbers and lies eventually bring the economy crashing down.

Republican State Senator Jim Dennings spoke in favor of ending the Brownback Tax Cut Experiment. Dennings admitted the experiment was a mistake and did not deny his part in it. He added it was now time for Republicans to clean up their mess.

It is a rarity, like finding a hen’s tooth, that Republicans will take the blame for their own mistake(s), and an admission that a system of tax cuts for the very rich was a mistake, is absolutely unheard of from the GOP.

Of course, Republican lawmakers in the remaining 49 states and in the U.S. congress will maintain repeated tax cuts for the fat cats is the only method to stimulate economic growth. They will reiterate this claim over and over, even though there are countless volumes of evidence from the last four decades that prove the exact opposite is true.

The conservative belief in “Trickle Down” will never die until the top 0.1% possess every penny, every piece of land, and own every business. The conservatives must see the 99.9% living in the streets and wearing rags before they begin to question the validity of the “prosperity-for-all” promised by Reagan’s “Trickle Down” snake oil.

For the people of Kansas, this realization by their Republican legislature’s super-majority is only a momentary political hiccup. Republicans cannot fight their nature to protect the fat cats, despite any claims to the contrary. The Brownback Tax Cut Experiment will soon be back underway, only the name will change. And as expected, the usual segments of the population will be forced to tighten their belts...again,...and again,...and again...

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Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

It's the end of the road for the GOP's big tax experiment in Kansas
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"It is a rarity, like finding a hen’s tooth, that Republicans will take the blame for their own mistake(s), and an admission that a system of tax cuts for the very rich was a mistake, is absolutely unheard of from the GOP." It is like finding a needle in a stack of needles. It's like finding the rare all pink unicorn that sprinkles Skittles on the bigfoot trails in Mordor as Golem shreds Eruption on his Strat.

 

[IM2]

I live in Kansas and what this governor and the right wing legislature has done is fuck up our economy, reduce the funds needed for essential services, closed rural hospitals costing thousands of jobs in small towns where that hospital was the major employer and screwed up the educational system.

Conservatives are fools. Tax cuts for the vey rich is what almost sent us into a depression in 2007. They did not create jobs.

 

[Dale Smith]

I live in Kansas and what this governor and the right wing legislature has done is fuck up our economy, reduce the funds needed for essential services, closed rural hospitals costing thousands of jobs in small towns where that hospital was the major employer and screwed up the educational system.

Conservatives are fools. Tax cuts for the vey rich is what almost sent us into a depression in 2007. They did not create jobs.

While I despise the Nazi Bush clan and the neocons? You don't have the slightest fucking clue about the economic collapse of 2008..........why is that? Because you are a stupid fucking fabian socialist "wannabe". Debate me on this, fuckwad.

 

[IM2]

I live in Kansas and what this governor and the right wing legislature has done is fuck up our economy, reduce the funds needed for essential services, closed rural hospitals costing thousands of jobs in small towns where that hospital was the major employer and screwed up the educational system.

Conservatives are fools. Tax cuts for the vey rich is what almost sent us into a depression in 2007. They did not create jobs.

While I despise the Nazi Bush clan and the neocons? You don't have the slightest fucking clue about the economic collapse of 2008..........why is that? Because you are a stupid fucking fabian socialist "wannabe". Debate me on this, fuckwad.

I understand it far better than you. We ran up record deficits, no jobs were created, and that along with the mindless deregulation of the financial industry lead to an economic collapse.

 

[toobfreak]

The country is dying for a NONRICH tax cut and a hike on the ridiculously bloated wealthy to pay for some services, infrastructure, and cheap training, dumbass.

Isn't it funny that the more ludicrous and ignorant the statement, the more the poster resorts to name-calling because they think themselves BRILLIANT!

A FEW FACTS FOR YOU, Franco--- ---

1). Everyone will be getting tax breaks under Trump WHO ACTUALLY PAY TAXES! Half the people in this country (the lower half of wage earners) already pay NO INCOME TAXES.

2). The upper wage earners BY FAR pay the VAST MAJORITY of income taxes ALREADY.

3). Cutting the taxes on the "non-rich" would only make a barely perceptible difference in overall taxes collected.

4). Every job out there is created by someone in the upper tax bracket making money and running a business. When you raise their taxes even higher, not only is the cost passed onto you as the consumer, but they can hire fewer people, so you put people out of work.

SCHOOLED!, dumbass!

 

[IM2]

The country is dying for a NONRICH tax cut and a hike on the ridiculously bloated wealthy to pay for some services, infrastructure, and cheap training, dumbass.

Isn't it funny that the more ludicrous and ignorant the statement, the more the poster resorts to name-calling because they think themselves BRILLIANT!

A FEW FACTS FOR YOU, Franco--- ---

1). Everyone will be getting tax breaks under Trump WHO ACTUALLY PAY TAXES! Half the people in this country (the lower half of wage earners) already pay NO INCOME TAXES.

2). The upper wage earners BY FAR pay the VAST MAJORITY of income taxes ALREADY.

3). Cutting the taxes on the "non-rich" would only make a barely perceptible difference in overall taxes collected.

4). Every job out there is created by someone in the upper tax bracket making money and running a business. When you raise their taxes even higher, not only is the cost passed onto you as the consumer, but they can hire fewer people, so you put people out of work.

SCHOOLED!, dumbass!

Most of this is gibberish. We've provided the very rich with tax cuts and no jobs were created .But we did create ecod deficits an ddebt.

Every job is not created by a person in the upper tax bracket making money and running a business. I know that for a fact as I and a friend started a business, created jobs and still we are not even close to the upper tax bracket.

 

[francoHFW]

Bush+Reagan= Bad Clinton+Obama= Good....

Got it.

Yeah, that really explains why Duhbummer couldn't get Hitlary elected on his coat-tails.

Actually, it was the crooked Hillary bs, the Russian e-mail trail and the idiot GOPer Comey, and of course bs GOP propaganda. A whole bunch of bs and 46% dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

The country is dying for a NONRICH tax cut and a hike on the ridiculously bloated wealthy to pay for some services, infrastructure, and cheap training, dumbass.

Isn't it funny that the more ludicrous and ignorant the statement, the more the poster resorts to name-calling because they think themselves BRILLIANT!

A FEW FACTS FOR YOU, Franco--- ---

1). Everyone will be getting tax breaks under Trump WHO ACTUALLY PAY TAXES! Half the people in this country (the lower half of wage earners) already pay NO INCOME TAXES.

2). The upper wage earners BY FAR pay the VAST MAJORITY of income taxes ALREADY.

3). Cutting the taxes on the "non-rich" would only make a barely perceptible difference in overall taxes collected.

4). Every job out there is created by someone in the upper tax bracket making money and running a business. When you raise their taxes even higher, not only is the cost passed onto you as the consumer, but they can hire fewer people, so you put people out of work.

SCHOOLED!, dumbass!

Except, superdupe, if you stop the brainwashed practice of only counting fed income taxes, and count ALL taxes, everyone pays between 20 and 30% and tghe rich make out like bandits.
The one tax graph you really need to know

And thanks for continuing to want to screw the nonrich even more, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Saying tax cuts don't fuel growth is like saying that taking sand out of your engine block doesn't make your car run better.

The country is dying for a NONRICH tax cut and a hike on the ridiculously bloated wealthy to pay for some services, infrastructure, and cheap training, dumbass.

Tell me. . .

Where do you think the Rich get their money from?

And if you raise their taxes.... where do you think THAT money will come from?

Their personal accounts?!?

Bwahahahahahahaha!

That's funny.

What a pathetic chump. Keep voting for the greedy idiot lying GOP and against yourself.

 

[Reasonable]

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The Brownback Tax Cut Experiment in Kansas has finally come to an end. Not because Governor Brownback realized the tax cut and “Trickle Down” policies of the GOP are wrong. No, he still believes everything is just fine in Kansas. However, after five long years for the citizens of Kansas, the Republican super-majority in the state legislature has come to see the error of their ways.

The Kansas Republicans have just discovered what people of reason have known since Reagan first sold the American people his “Trickle Down” snake oil, that phony numbers and lies eventually bring the economy crashing down.

Republican State Senator Jim Dennings spoke in favor of ending the Brownback Tax Cut Experiment. Dennings admitted the experiment was a mistake and did not deny his part in it. He added it was now time for Republicans to clean up their mess.

It is a rarity, like finding a hen’s tooth, that Republicans will take the blame for their own mistake(s), and an admission that a system of tax cuts for the very rich was a mistake, is absolutely unheard of from the GOP.

Of course, Republican lawmakers in the remaining 49 states and in the U.S. congress will maintain repeated tax cuts for the fat cats is the only method to stimulate economic growth. They will reiterate this claim over and over, even though there are countless volumes of evidence from the last four decades that prove the exact opposite is true.

The conservative belief in “Trickle Down” will never die until the top 0.1% possess every penny, every piece of land, and own every business. The conservatives must see the 99.9% living in the streets and wearing rags before they begin to question the validity of the “prosperity-for-all” promised by Reagan’s “Trickle Down” snake oil.

For the people of Kansas, this realization by their Republican legislature’s super-majority is only a momentary political hiccup. Republicans cannot fight their nature to protect the fat cats, despite any claims to the contrary. The Brownback Tax Cut Experiment will soon be back underway, only the name will change. And as expected, the usual segments of the population will be forced to tighten their belts...again,...and again,...and again...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...axes-rebuking-their-gop-governors-real-live-e xperiment-in-conservative-policy/?utm_term=.f199b1798758

Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Comes To An End As Lawmakers Vote To Raise Taxes

It's the end of the road for the GOP's big tax experiment in Kansas

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But but but that's not what republicans have been telling us for 30 years. You mean large tax cuts for the rich and enormous spending for the military doesn't compute?
You don't say.
And to think Kansas could be the country's most conservative state.
I guess it's not morning in America anymore for the bogus GOP memes..

 

[francoHFW]

The one tax graph you really need to know




By Ezra Klein September 19, 2012

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

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But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.

* Romney's 13.9 percent rate only counts his federal taxes. He hasn't released his state and local returns for 2011, so we can't say how that would change his total tax rate. But given the state and local averages for someone in his income group, it's likely to remain well below the 25-30 percent that is typical.

Saying tax cuts don't fuel growth is like saying that taking sand out of your engine block doesn't make your car run better.

The country is dying for a NONRICH tax cut and a hike on the ridiculously bloated wealthy to pay for some services, infrastructure, and cheap training, dumbass.

Tell me. . .

Where do you think the Rich get their money from?

And if you raise their taxes.... where do you think THAT money will come from?

Their personal accounts?!?

Bwahahahahahahaha!

That's funny.

Wake UP!

 

[Reasonable]

Saying tax cuts don't fuel growth is like saying that taking sand out of your engine block doesn't make your car run better.

The country is dying for a NONRICH tax cut and a hike on the ridiculously bloated wealthy to pay for some services, infrastructure, and cheap training, dumbass.

Tell me. . .

Where do you think the Rich get their money from?

And if you raise their taxes.... where do you think THAT money will come from?

Their personal accounts?!?

Bwahahahahahahaha!

That's funny.

What a pathetic chump. Keep voting for the greedy idiot lying GOP and against yourself.

They love to vote against their own interests and shoot themselves in the foot.

10 Ways President Trump’s Agenda Will Harm His Supporters in Rural and Small-Town America - Center for American Progress

 

[francoHFW]

A tax cut would be good for me, you're not going to trick me into thinking otherwise.

Good Dem thinking!

 

[IM2]

I live in Kansas. Massive ax cuts for the very rich don't do shit but reduce revenues, increases deficits, and kills economies.

 

[francoHFW]

I live in Kansas and what this governor and the right wing legislature has done is fuck up our economy, reduce the funds needed for essential services, closed rural hospitals costing thousands of jobs in small towns where that hospital was the major employer and screwed up the educational system.

Conservatives are fools. Tax cuts for the vey rich is what almost sent us into a depression in 2007. They did not create jobs.

And DID send us into a depression in 2008. Cost about 8 TRILLION- like 3 years of GDP...

 

[francoHFW]

I live in Kansas. Massive ax cuts for the very rich don't do shit but reduce revenues, increases deficits, and kills economies.

And make the very rich very very rich...