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Erroneous but, yes, strong.That’s a strong argument my friend.
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Erroneous but, yes, strong.That’s a strong argument my friend.
It is NOT "the church".In any case, the Catholic Church is not a denomination. It is THE Church.
Jesus is the head of the "one true church" and it definitely exists. It's just extraordinarily unlikely that any living human being knows all that it entails.So my advice to anyone seeking the 'one true Church' is that it doesn't exist.
I recently typed it all up to share with some family members, friends, and acquaintances. I merely pasted it here.Wow you put a lot of time and work into that. I hope you saved a copy and are able to use it elsewhere other than just here at USMB.
The best we can do is find a Church denomination/congregation that we sense is right for us and accept it as the imperfect vessel that it will invariably be just as each of us is an imperfect vessel but still capable of doing great good.
My brother, God wants you to be ALL in him and him in you. Neither Jesus nor the apostles said that a physical "church" is required to pray to God the Father. God wants you to talk and pray to HIM and to him alone. God is the only eternal being, not Mary, not the saints, nor any other human being that wasn't God in the flesh. If you do wrong, confess to God directly and ask him for forgiveness and help. Again, God wants you to talk and confess directly to him. God wants you to look to HIM! So do it!Today, it is called the Catholic Church. And frankly, I don't feel very listened to by God anywhere else.
What do you believe Jesus meant by that statement?"I will build My Church and thegates of Hell will not prevail against it" Mt 16:18
I probably should have read further in OP before commenting (that I wouldn't read the whole thing) because I totally agree w/ poster about certain things. So anyhow, I just copied the whole thing, took out all the paragraph marks and extra spaces and will read it soon. Even after all that, it is 5 pages. But I am interested in what he is saying. I have also had many criticisms of the Church and even left it for a short time recently (not not in my heart), but that was not a good idea. As the saints have said, "The Church IS Jesus" and we don't want to leave Him. He is the only one who cares about us, objectively speaking.
Your cut and paste OP?I discussed a lot of that in my lengthy and detailed OP.
You cannot imagine them praying with Mary? She was there on Pentecost. Undoubtedly she was part of the early Christian community. You cannot imagine people praying with her?Yea? When did Jesus and the apostles exalt and pray to Mary, as the self-proclaimed "universal" church does?
People lined up, flocked to Jesus. By your definition, this means Jesus was "of the world". Are you even aware of how involved the Catholic Church is involved and helping the poor and destitute of this world?The CC has diplomatic emissaries in capitols throughout the world. World leaders line up to get their picture taken with the Pope.
Yes, the CC is loved by the world because it is "of the world". It is NOT Jesus's church in this world.
I have never found a sincere ex-Catholic, and I still haven't. Do you ever hear such self-justifying hate and nonsense from an ex-Methodist for example,NO , Hillary has been attacking her own church for ages. They are wrong about abortion, They are wrong about homosexualty, we should have Lesbian bishops....She seems to believe nothing. You can get away with that in most non-Catholic churches but not in CatholicismWow you put a lot of time and work into that. I hope you saved a copy and are able to use it elsewhere other than just here at USMB.
The Pope's dictates were never considered 'infallible' until the First Vatican Council convened and led by Pope Pius IX in the mid 19th Century. And it was by such Papal declarations over the millennia that such the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church developed. It was the decree of Emperor Constantine in the Fourth Century who for purely political purposes enlisted the organizational skills of the church that gave the church its power and allowed it to become such a dominating force in the Roman Empire. though it wouldn't be called the ROMAN Catholic Church until the 16th Century.
The 16th Century was the Reformation that pulled people out of the RCC and began spreading the church into thousands of different denominational groups and carried it into most of the world.
But don't be too hard on the RCC. No church denomination or independent congregation has ever been organized that did not intend to represent the closest thing to the one true church it could achieve. And every single one of them has come up with human engineered culture, emphasis, doctrine, rules, policy that is sometimes supportable by scripture, sometimes not. The Church is intended to be God's people on Earth, but because humankind is fallible, willful, and sometimes very stubborn, we now have an amazing 45,000 different Christian denominations around the world, over 200 in the USA alone.
So my advice to anyone seeking the 'one true Church' is that it doesn't exist. And yet the Church is the foundation for all that is good, ethical, provides a sense of right and wrong, like nothing else can do. Every believer is part of the Church and that makes the Church a vessel of God. The best we can do is find a Church denomination/congregation that we sense is right for us and accept it as the imperfect vessel that it will invariably be just as each of us is an imperfect vessel but still capable of doing great good.
Are you saying that those who confessed to Jesus did it wrong and that Jesus should have told them to confess directly to God?Again, God wants you to talk and confess directly to him. God wants you to look to HIM! So do it!
Deferring to "what scriptures say" in modern English misses what the authors and people who lived in that time (including Jesus) actually said.My brother, if you read it and defer to what the scriptures say, I believe you will emerge with a new understanding of God's nature and what he desires.
I'm an ex-Catholic. Why do you believe that I am insincere? Is it because I follow the teachings of Jesus and his apostles instead of the teachings of the catechism?I have never found a sincere ex-Catholic, and I still haven't.
Not true.The Church has CONSTANTLY sought to remain faithful to the teachings of Christ...
Yea, you don't need to read another's essay to determine that it's erroneous. Thanks for the laugh!I admit that I did not go through the OP in detail. I have better things to do with my time, and you don't have to test every apple in the barrel to conclude that it is a barrel of rotten apples.