Pro-Abortionists are against regulations! Major decisions in Texas.

[elektra]

Funny, the hypocrites are afraid a Regulation that requires Abortions be performed in a Medical Facility will result in less abortions while arguing some deaths are acceptable even at the same time stating Abortions are performed to save the life of a woman?

The Democrats position is certainly convoluted.

 

[elektra]

bullshit. It's about making abortions unavailable. At least try to be honest for god's sake.

Democrats can not bring Abortion Offices up to a standard of quality that rates the term, HealhCare.

Welcome to the 21st Century, it is time to step up and turn the Abortion Office into a Medical Facility where Woman are safe when they arrive for that life-saving aboriton.

Stop lying. The texas pols who passed that thing weren't a dishonest as you, or as cowardly and duplicitous.

Abortion Bill Finally Bound for Perry's Desk

Cowardly, I am here posting! Even started a thread. Your views need regulations, especially considering how have little understanding of what is cowardly.

 

[elektra]

bullshit. It's about making abortions unavailable. At least try to be honest for god's sake.

Are you saying you will not spend some of your money to make sure Woman's Health Care is performed in a Medical Facility?

It is regulation requiring a standard of care.

 

[bendog]

you are cowardly liar, electra

 

[alang1216]

Hypocrisy is injecting politics into healthcare.

Hypocrisy is refusing to bring the Abortion office up to a standard that the term HealthCare could apply to.

Who set health care standards, doctors or politicians? I guess I'm old-fashioned, I trust my doctor more than I trust my politician.

 

[elektra]

Who set health care standards, doctors or politicians? I guess I'm old-fashioned, I trust my doctor more than I trust my politician.

Abortion is not Old Fashion. Doctors working with Politicians, and as Politicians have made rules and regulations.

This is just a regulation stating Abortions be performed in a Medical Facility, your doctor disagrees with that?

 

[elektra]

you are cowardly liar, electra

You won't spend a dime of your money on a modern facility for an abortion to be performed in?

 

[rightwinger]

Texan laws are more harassment against women who decide for abortion

Make the clinics fewer and fewer, make doctors be affiliated with local hospitals and then pressure hospitals not to accept abortion doctors, make women travel long distances to a clinic and then make them wait three days before they can get the procedure done.

Backdoor ban on abortion

You have the option of spending a bit of that free government money that planned parenthood gets on an actual surgical center, all that money abortionists make need not be spent on new BMW's and Mercedes Benz.

Spend the money on the facility, not to pad your pocket.

See, this is about money, nothing more, Democrats demand Abortion yet want it performed in a back alley, and if they have to spend the profit on a real medical facility, that is way over the line?

Planned parenthood gets no free money. They get reimbursed for womens health services

There is no evidence that these facilities are unsafe. If Texas could prove botched procedures or deaths at these facilities, the legislation might be warranted

There is no such evidence

 

[alang1216]

This is just a regulation stating Abortions be performed in a Medical Facility, your doctor disagrees with that?

Apparently he does:

The bills would require physicians who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles, allowing abortions only in surgical clinics and setting a higher standard than for other procedures with similar low risk such as colonoscopy. The fact is that abortion is one of the safest medical procedures. The risk of complications from abortion is minimal, with less than 0.5% of abortions involving major complications.

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists​

 

[elektra]

Planned parenthood gets no free money. They get reimbursed for womens health services

There is no evidence that these facilities are unsafe. If Texas could prove botched procedures or deaths at these facilities, the legislation might be warranted

There is no such evidence

Oh, it is "Reimbursed Money", not free money. Sorry I am no up to date on the politically correct terminology.

Nope, no evidence that the facilities are unsafe at all, but there is ample evidence that they can not perform the type of Life Saving Medical Procedures that they advertise.

There is ample evidence of procedures that have resulted in death, it is not that they were botched, just the statistical nature of abortion. Some deaths will happen outside a regulated medical facility.

 

[elektra]

The bills would require physicians who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles, allowing abortions only in surgical clinics and setting a higher standard than for other procedures with similar low risk such as colonoscopy. The fact is that abortion is one of the safest medical procedures. The risk of complications from abortion is minimal, with less than 0.5% of abortions involving major complications.

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists​

So, those 0.5% with major complications should not be cared for?

For every 200 abortions there is 1 major complication and that does not concern you?

 

[rightwinger]

Planned parenthood gets no free money. They get reimbursed for womens health services

There is no evidence that these facilities are unsafe. If Texas could prove botched procedures or deaths at these facilities, the legislation might be warranted

There is no such evidence

Oh, it is "Reimbursed Money", not free money. Sorry I am no up to date on the politically correct terminology.

Nope, no evidence that the facilities are unsafe at all, but there is ample evidence that they can not perform the type of Life Saving Medical Procedures that they advertise.

There is ample evidence of procedures that have resulted in death, it is not that they were botched, just the statistical nature of abortion. Some deaths will happen outside a regulated medical facility.

Abortion is a safe practice

If you feel the need to require upgraded facilities, admitting privileges or any other harassing requirement....provide the data to support it

Show specific cases where these requirements would have saved lives in Texas

 

[alang1216]

So, those 0.5% with major complications should not be cared for?

For every 200 abortions there is 1 major complication and that does not concern you?

Outpatient procedures
Which of these other procedures should be performed in a hospital?

Hypocrisy is claiming this is about health and not about abortion. Hypocrisy is what this small-government, anti-regulation, pro-individual-freedom party is espousing.
.

 

[elektra]

Planned parenthood gets no free money. They get reimbursed for womens health services

There is no evidence that these facilities are unsafe. If Texas could prove botched procedures or deaths at these facilities, the legislation might be warranted

There is no such evidence

Oh, it is "Reimbursed Money", not free money. Sorry I am no up to date on the politically correct terminology.

Nope, no evidence that the facilities are unsafe at all, but there is ample evidence that they can not perform the type of Life Saving Medical Procedures that they advertise.

There is ample evidence of procedures that have resulted in death, it is not that they were botched, just the statistical nature of abortion. Some deaths will happen outside a regulated medical facility.

Abortion is a safe practice

If you feel the need to require upgraded facilities, admitting privileges or any other harassing requirement....provide the data to support it

Show specific cases where these requirements would have saved lives in Texas

This is why we have politicians, there are always those that dictate according to their beliefs. Are you denying that an Abortion at times performed to save the life a of a Woman, are you denying that Life Saving Medical Procedures require a Medical Facility?

This is not a court of law, I am simply pointing out hypocrisy. How about giving me the RightWinger's standard of what Evidence is acceptable to Rightwinger? I would hate to provide something that is of not evidence according to Rightwingers's opinion.

over 25,000,000 mllion google results, now define what you will accept, rightwinger, I have no idea what your definition of evidence is, even a court of law has standards, explain yours.

Google

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   Unsafe Abortion: Unnecessary Maternal Mortality
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   Unsafe abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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   The Principles and Practice of Medical Jurisprudence by ...
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   Frederick John Smith, ‎Alfred Swaine Taylor - 1905
   (c) Chorea Gavidarum — pregnant women are liable to chorea, which may end ... of criminal abortion, in that medical evidence proved that the dead woman had ...
   Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion
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   Jun 3, 2000 - Compared to women who carry to term, women who abort are 3.5 times... Among the 281 women who died within a year of their last ..... and the evidence of suicide notes identifying abortion as one of the causes of suicide.
   1. Abortion Through 21 Weeks‎
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   2. Contact Us
   3. Texas Abortion Facts‎
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   4. Pregnancy Stats by State
   5. Abortion Laws in the U.S.

 

[elektra]

Outpatient procedures
Which of these other procedures should be performed in a hospital?

Hypocrisy is claiming this is about health and not about abortion. Hypocrisy is what this small-government, anti-regulation, pro-individual-freedom party is espousing.
.

Abortion is about Health? That is what Planned Parenthood does, they provide life saving Health Procedures.

Except if we need to regulate them? Now abortion is not about health?

 

[alang1216]

Outpatient procedures
Which of these other procedures should be performed in a hospital?

Hypocrisy is claiming this is about health and not about abortion. Hypocrisy is what this small-government, anti-regulation, pro-individual-freedom party is espousing.
.

Abortion is about Health? That is what Planned Parenthood does, they provide life saving Health Procedures.

Except if we need to regulate them? Now abortion is not about health?

Abortion is a medical procedure. I would agree it should be regulated like any other medical procedure of similar risk.

If you claim it is a unique procedure, as the Texas legislature seems to imply since they singled it out among all the other medical procedures, you need to be able to justify it and admit it is no longer about medicine and is now about politics/religion.

 

[rightwinger]

Planned parenthood gets no free money. They get reimbursed for womens health services

There is no evidence that these facilities are unsafe. If Texas could prove botched procedures or deaths at these facilities, the legislation might be warranted

There is no such evidence

Oh, it is "Reimbursed Money", not free money. Sorry I am no up to date on the politically correct terminology.

Nope, no evidence that the facilities are unsafe at all, but there is ample evidence that they can not perform the type of Life Saving Medical Procedures that they advertise.

There is ample evidence of procedures that have resulted in death, it is not that they were botched, just the statistical nature of abortion. Some deaths will happen outside a regulated medical facility.

Abortion is a safe practice

If you feel the need to require upgraded facilities, admitting privileges or any other harassing requirement....provide the data to support it

Show specific cases where these requirements would have saved lives in Texas

This is why we have politicians, there are always those that dictate according to their beliefs. Are you denying that an Abortion at times performed to save the life a of a Woman, are you denying that Life Saving Medical Procedures require a Medical Facility?

This is not a court of law, I am simply pointing out hypocrisy. How about giving me the RightWinger's standard of what Evidence is acceptable to Rightwinger? I would hate to provide something that is of not evidence according to Rightwingers's opinion.

over 25,000,000 mllion google results, now define what you will accept, rightwinger, I have no idea what your definition of evidence is, even a court of law has standards, explain yours.

Google

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1. [paste:font size="4"]Women's Abortion Clinic - alamowomensclinic.com‎
   Adwww.alamowomensclinic.com/abortion‎Autopsy Report Reveals Abortion Patient's Hemorrhage Not ...[/paste:font]
   www.operationrescue.org/.../autopsy-report-reveals-ab...
   Operation Rescue
   Jul 1, 2014 - Cleveland, Ohio – Operation Rescue has obtained the autopsy report of awoman who died from abortion complications that shows evidence of ...
   Clinic That Killed Woman in Botched Abortion Left Her on ...
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   LifeNews.com
   Jan 21, 2015 - Operation Rescue has received credible new evidence, apparently leaked from an inside source, that criminal conduct may have been ...
   Unsafe Abortion: Unnecessary Maternal Mortality
   www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...
   National Center for Biotechnology Information
   by LB Haddad - ‎2009 - ‎Cited by 84 - ‎Related articles
   Some 68,000 women die of unsafe abortion annually, making it one of the leading ...The main causes of death from unsafe abortion are hemorrhage, infection, ....Evidence demonstrates that liberalizing abortion laws to allow services to be ...
   The Impact of Illegal Abortion - Our Bodies Ourselves
   www.ourbodiesourselves.org › ... › Abortion
   Our Bodies, Ourselves
   Mar 23, 2014 - Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the United States during ... Wade, as many as 5,000 American women died annually as a direct ...
   Facts on Induced Abortion Worldwide - Guttmacher Institute
   www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html
   Guttmacher Institute
   A woman's likelihood of having an abortion is slightly elevated if she lives in a .... The most recent evidence indicates that the proportion of maternal deaths due to ...Worldwide, unsafe abortion accounts for a death rate that is 350 times higher ...
   Facts and Consequences: Legality, Incidence and Safety of ...
   https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/.../gpr120402.html
   Guttmacher Institute
   by SA Cohen - ‎2009 - ‎Cited by 29 - ‎Related articles
   Unsafe abortion there is a leading cause of pregnancy-related death. ... abortion laws, new evidence is accumulating that legal abortion saves women's lives.
   Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.
   www.abortionfacts.com/facts/11
   The evidence overwhelmingly proves that the morbidity and mortality rates of ...Government statistics indicate that the chances of death by abortion are even less. ...Women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who are not ...
   Unsafe abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion
   Wikipedia
   to collate, synthesize and generate scientifically sound evidence on unsafe .... Unsafeabortion is a major cause of injury and death among women worldwide.
   The Principles and Practice of Medical Jurisprudence by ...
   The Principles and Practice of Medical Jurisprudence by the Late Alfred Swaine Taylor
   Frederick John Smith, ‎Alfred Swaine Taylor - 1905
   (c) Chorea Gavidarum — pregnant women are liable to chorea, which may end ... of criminal abortion, in that medical evidence proved that the dead woman had ...
   Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion
   afterabortion.org/2000/abortion-four-times-deadlier-than-childbirth/
   Jun 3, 2000 - Compared to women who carry to term, women who abort are 3.5 times... Among the 281 women who died within a year of their last ..... and the evidence of suicide notes identifying abortion as one of the causes of suicide.
   1. Abortion Through 21 Weeks‎
      Adwww.southwesternwomens.com/‎2 Clinics in the US
   2. Contact Us
   3. Texas Abortion Facts‎
      Adwww.guttmacher.org/Texas‎Abortion Facts By State
   4. Pregnancy Stats by State
   5. Abortion Laws in the U.S.

Quite a response there

Your first link is deaths in India from botched abortions. Others are over 20 years ago

Texas is claiming they have a problem. They need to show the percentage of abortions IN TEXAS that are endangering a womans health. It has probably been decades since the last time a woman died in a Texas abortion clinic

These laws are outright harassment of women seeking abortions and are not supported by recent Texas statistics

 

[SwimExpert]

A phrase I keep hearing from democrats is businesses must be regulated...except for abortion clinics...

Fake conservatives complain about regulation and government interference into people's lives. And then want to make decisions about what goes into your body.

 

[elektra]

Planned parenthood gets no free money. They get reimbursed for womens health services

There is no evidence that these facilities are unsafe. If Texas could prove botched procedures or deaths at these facilities, the legislation might be warranted

There is no such evidence

Oh, it is "Reimbursed Money", not free money. Sorry I am no up to date on the politically correct terminology.

Nope, no evidence that the facilities are unsafe at all, but there is ample evidence that they can not perform the type of Life Saving Medical Procedures that they advertise.

There is ample evidence of procedures that have resulted in death, it is not that they were botched, just the statistical nature of abortion. Some deaths will happen outside a regulated medical facility.

Abortion is a safe practice

If you feel the need to require upgraded facilities, admitting privileges or any other harassing requirement....provide the data to support it

Show specific cases where these requirements would have saved lives in Texas

This is why we have politicians, there are always those that dictate according to their beliefs. Are you denying that an Abortion at times performed to save the life a of a Woman, are you denying that Life Saving Medical Procedures require a Medical Facility?

This is not a court of law, I am simply pointing out hypocrisy. How about giving me the RightWinger's standard of what Evidence is acceptable to Rightwinger? I would hate to provide something that is of not evidence according to Rightwingers's opinion.

over 25,000,000 mllion google results, now define what you will accept, rightwinger, I have no idea what your definition of evidence is, even a court of law has standards, explain yours.

Google

About 25,600,000 results (0.72 seconds)

1. [paste:font size="4"]Women's Abortion Clinic - alamowomensclinic.com‎
   Adwww.alamowomensclinic.com/abortion‎Autopsy Report Reveals Abortion Patient's Hemorrhage Not ...[/paste:font]
   www.operationrescue.org/.../autopsy-report-reveals-ab...
   Operation Rescue
   Jul 1, 2014 - Cleveland, Ohio – Operation Rescue has obtained the autopsy report of awoman who died from abortion complications that shows evidence of ...
   Clinic That Killed Woman in Botched Abortion Left Her on ...
   www.lifenews.com/.../clinic-that-killed-woman-in-botched...
   LifeNews.com
   Jan 21, 2015 - Operation Rescue has received credible new evidence, apparently leaked from an inside source, that criminal conduct may have been ...
   Unsafe Abortion: Unnecessary Maternal Mortality
   www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...
   National Center for Biotechnology Information
   by LB Haddad - ‎2009 - ‎Cited by 84 - ‎Related articles
   Some 68,000 women die of unsafe abortion annually, making it one of the leading ...The main causes of death from unsafe abortion are hemorrhage, infection, ....Evidence demonstrates that liberalizing abortion laws to allow services to be ...
   The Impact of Illegal Abortion - Our Bodies Ourselves
   www.ourbodiesourselves.org › ... › Abortion
   Our Bodies, Ourselves
   Mar 23, 2014 - Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the United States during ... Wade, as many as 5,000 American women died annually as a direct ...
   Facts on Induced Abortion Worldwide - Guttmacher Institute
   www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html
   Guttmacher Institute
   A woman's likelihood of having an abortion is slightly elevated if she lives in a .... The most recent evidence indicates that the proportion of maternal deaths due to ...Worldwide, unsafe abortion accounts for a death rate that is 350 times higher ...
   Facts and Consequences: Legality, Incidence and Safety of ...
   https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/.../gpr120402.html
   Guttmacher Institute
   by SA Cohen - ‎2009 - ‎Cited by 29 - ‎Related articles
   Unsafe abortion there is a leading cause of pregnancy-related death. ... abortion laws, new evidence is accumulating that legal abortion saves women's lives.
   Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.
   www.abortionfacts.com/facts/11
   The evidence overwhelmingly proves that the morbidity and mortality rates of ...Government statistics indicate that the chances of death by abortion are even less. ...Women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who are not ...
   Unsafe abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion
   Wikipedia
   to collate, synthesize and generate scientifically sound evidence on unsafe .... Unsafeabortion is a major cause of injury and death among women worldwide.
   The Principles and Practice of Medical Jurisprudence by ...
   The Principles and Practice of Medical Jurisprudence by the Late Alfred Swaine Taylor
   Frederick John Smith, ‎Alfred Swaine Taylor - 1905
   (c) Chorea Gavidarum — pregnant women are liable to chorea, which may end ... of criminal abortion, in that medical evidence proved that the dead woman had ...
   Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion
   afterabortion.org/2000/abortion-four-times-deadlier-than-childbirth/
   Jun 3, 2000 - Compared to women who carry to term, women who abort are 3.5 times... Among the 281 women who died within a year of their last ..... and the evidence of suicide notes identifying abortion as one of the causes of suicide.
   1. Abortion Through 21 Weeks‎
      Adwww.southwesternwomens.com/‎2 Clinics in the US
   2. Contact Us
   3. Texas Abortion Facts‎
      Adwww.guttmacher.org/Texas‎Abortion Facts By State
   4. Pregnancy Stats by State
   5. Abortion Laws in the U.S.

Quite a response there

Your first link is deaths in India from botched abortions. Others are over 20 years ago

Texas is claiming they have a problem. They need to show the percentage of abortions IN TEXAS that are endangering a womans health. It has probably been decades since the last time a woman died in a Texas abortion clinic

These laws are outright harassment of women seeking abortions and are not supported by recent Texas statistics

Post those statistics.

 

[elektra]

Abortion is a medical procedure. I would agree it should be regulated like any other medical procedure of similar risk.

If you claim it is a unique procedure, as the Texas legislature seems to imply since they singled it out among all the other medical procedures, you need to be able to justify it and admit it is no longer about medicine and is now about politics/religion.

Abortion is not unique? How many men have abortions?