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When God brought me back into the church in 2005 I walked into the nearest mainstream protestant church to my house. It was a Southern Baptist church. Having never been in a Baptist church before I asked them about doctrine. They said oh, we get our doctrine from the bible.
What a non-answer answer. It's clear that the church has lost all understanding of doctrine. The Methodists aren't any better. I tried to explain that my own doctrine was based on the Day of Atonement. They told me how OT scripture is just quaint story's. They are a New Testament church. I understand why people are drawn to the catholic church.
Why do you insist on believing something that is anti-Biblical?Through revelation to the prophet Joseph Smith we learn that Michael is Adam.
Michael
The name by which Adam was known in the premortal life. He is called the Archangel. In Hebrew the name means “Who is like God.”
- Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help Daniel, Dan. 10:13, 21 (D&C 78:16).
- In the last days shall Michael stand up, the great prince, Dan. 12:1.
- Michael the archangel contended with the devil, Jude 1:9.
- Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, Rev. 12:7 (Dan. 7).
- Michael is Adam, D&C 27:11 (D&C 107:53–57; 128:21).
- Michael, the Lord’s archangel, shall sound his trump, D&C 29:26.
- Michael will gather his armies and fight Satan, D&C 88:112–115.
- The voice of Michael was heard detecting the devil, D&C 128:20.
If I go into a church and the pastor goes on and on about everything except the Bible or focuses exclusively on one part of it to the exclusion of the rest, I don't go back.When God brought me back into the church in 2005 I walked into the nearest mainstream protestant church to my house. It was a Southern Baptist church. Having never been in a Baptist church before I asked them about doctrine. They said oh, we get our doctrine from the bible.
What a non-answer answer. It's clear that the church has lost all understanding of doctrine. The Methodists aren't any better. I tried to explain that my own doctrine was based on the Day of Atonement. They told me how OT scripture is just quaint story's. They are a New Testament church. I understand why people are drawn to the catholic church.
It is a revelation from God and it is not anti-Biblical.Why do you insist on believing something that is anti-Biblical?
The men who made the JW Bible (new world translation) had no knowledge of Hebrew and Greek). They changed a bunch of Scriptures to fit JW doctrine. Despicable people.You cannot argue effectively against a JW if you are a "fundamentalist" Christian or Catholic Christian. They have a totally different "bible"
They do not deny this (normally)
I heard somewhere that it was a planned thing, the JW religion... people planned to make $$The men who made the JW Bible (new world translation) had no knowledge of Hebrew and Greek). They changed a bunch of Scriptures to fit JW doctrine. Despicable people.
Watch some videos on YouTube by ex-JWs. There are hundreds. The damage done to families by this organization is unbelievable.I heard somewhere that it was a planned thing, the JW religion... people planned to make $$
wow, what a shocker!
It is. There is nothing in Scripture that indicates Adam was originally an angel. If fact, God created Him from the dust of the earth and breathed life into him. He wasn't an angel.It is a revelation from God and it is not anti-Biblical.
What you don't realize is that angels are not a differing species than mankind. Angels are merely messengers sent by God. Angels consist of premortal spirits of mankind, mortal mankind, post mortal mankind who are either spirits or resurrected mankind. All angels who administer to this earth are mankind who will have their mortality on this earth or have had their mortality on this earth. The devil and his angels consist of the spirit children of God who rebelled against God and fought against him in the war in heaven. They were refused to gain a mortal or resurrected body and are messengers of Satan.It is. There is nothing in Scripture that indicates Adam was originally an angel. If fact, God created Him from the dust of the earth and breathed life into him. He wasn't an angel.
That is anti-Biblical, because Scripture explicitly says at least some of the angels have wings. Sorry, but when Smith deviates from Scripture, he's wrong.What you don't realize is that angels are not a differing species than mankind. Angels are merely messengers sent by God. Angels consist of premortal spirits of mankind, mortal mankind, post mortal mankind who are either spirits or resurrected mankind. All angels who administer to this earth are mankind who will have their mortality on this earth or have had their mortality on this earth. The devil and his angels consist of the spirit children of God who rebelled against God and fought against him in the war in heaven. They were refused to gain a mortal or resurrected body and are messengers of Satan.
Angels
These are messengers of the Lord and are spoken of in the epistle to the Hebrews as “ministering spirits” (Heb. 1:14). We learn from latter-day revelation that there are two classes of heavenly beings who minister for the Lord: those who are spirits and those who have bodies of flesh and bone. Spirits are those beings who either have not yet obtained a body of flesh and bone (unembodied) or who have once had a mortal body and have died and are awaiting the Resurrection (disembodied). Ordinarily the word angel means those ministering persons who have a body of flesh and bone, being either resurrected from the dead (reembodied), or else translated, as were Enoch, Elijah, etc. (D&C 129).
There are many references to the work of angels in the Old Testament. In some passages the “angel of the Lord” speaks as the voice of God Himself (Gen. 22:11–12). The word angel is also sometimes used to designate a human messenger, as in JST Gen. 19:15 (Appendix), and may have some application also in Matt. 13:39–42. There is evidence of nonmortal beings who serve God in heaven (1 Kgs. 22:19; Alma 36:22) and also of some who do God’s will and minister to men on the earth (Gen. 28:12; 32:1; 2 Sam. 24:16; 1 Kgs. 19:5–7; 2 Kgs. 1:15; 19:35; Ps. 91:11).
We find angels mentioned by name in Dan. 8:16; 9:21; 10:13, 21; 12:1; Luke 1:19, 26. In latter-day revelation we learn that the angel Michael is Adam, and the angel Gabriel is Noah (HC 3:386).
In the New Testament there are many references to the ministry of angels but no clear statement as to their nature or their relation to mankind in general. Angels attended on our Lord throughout His life on earth (Matt. 1:20; 2:13, 19; 4:11; 28:2–8; Luke 1:11–20, 26–30; 2:9–15; 22:43). Jesus often spoke of angels (Matt. 13:14–30, 37–41; 16:27; 18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Luke 15:10, etc.). The Sadducees did not believe in supernatural beings, but the Pharisees believed in both angels and spirits, which fact Paul used to his advantage when brought before the Sanhedrin (Acts 23:7–9). Other New Testament references are Acts 7:53; 1 Cor. 4:9; 6:3; 11:10; Gal. 1:8; 3:19; Col. 2:18 (where we are warned against worship of angels), and throughout the Revelation of John. There are references to fallen angels in 2 Pet. 2:4 and Jude 1:6.
The scriptures speak of the devil’s angels. These are those spirits who followed Lucifer and were thrust out in the war in heaven and cast down to the earth. See Rev. 12:1–9; D&C 29:36–38; Moses 4:1–4; Abr. 3:27–28; and as alluded to by Peter and Jude cited above.
Latter-day revelation contains much about the nature, ministry, and identification of angels. See 2 Ne. 32:2–3; Alma 12:28–29; 13:24–26; Moro. 7:29–31; D&C 7:6–7; 13; 27:16; 76:21; 110:11–16; 128:21; 129; 132:16–18. Angels do not have wings (HC 3:392).
The word angel is used in various ways. A person who is a divine messenger is called an angel. Thus Moroni, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, Elijah, and Elias all ministered to Joseph Smith as angels. These all shall be exalted and inherit celestial glory. The scriptures also speak of another class of persons who, because of failure to obey the gospel, will not be exalted and will become angels in eternity. These are spoken of as angels in Matt. 22:29–30 and D&C 132:16–18. This latter designation should not be confused with the use of the term angels having reference to the heavenly messengers sent forth to minister to the inhabitants of the earth.
Wings are symbolism of power. They don't actually have wings.That is anti-Biblical, because Scripture explicitly says at least some of the angels have wings. Sorry, but when Smith deviates from Scripture, he's wrong.
Again, wrong. There are angels with wings explicitly used for flying. They're not symbolic.Wings are symbolism of power. They don't actually have wings.
I have done that but will try to do so again because it isn't all fresh in my mind.. Our minds often tend to block out what is unpleasantWatch some videos on YouTube by ex-JWs. There are hundreds. The damage done to families by this organization is unbelievable.
Catholics go by Tradition with a capital T which means it is NOT man-made traditions.Even the Catholic scholars take care to state that Peter as the founder of the Catholic Church is 'by tradition', and avoid claiming outright it is a fact. The word 'catholic' means universal, so technically the religion itself is catholic, with a little c, not to be conflated with big C Catholic.
Doesn't take away from its production of scholars and influence on the West. The old Protestant anti-Catholic propaganda is a lot of BS, and Protestants themselves invented a lot of mystic bullshit over the centuries, too, so they have no moral authority to be whining about either the Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholicism from on high.
Of course there was a church before then. It started as a Jewish sect, remember? Jesus' Church existed long before anyone thought to put in place a bureaucracy or man-made rituals. I think that's what is driving your adamant insistence that the Catholic Church is the only valid church, to the point of even doubting that Christians can be in any other one. I'm telling you, you will be surprised to find who is in heaven. There will be many whose faith you despised and mocked. I, for one, will not presume to tell God who He can and can't invite in.Catholics go by Tradition with a capital T which means it is NOT man-made traditions.
Jesus only condemned the former, not the latter. If you read the Word carefully, he condemned HUMAN traditions not given by Moses or any other prophet
Tradition is very important because the CHURCH existed long b4 the Bible did (meaning Tradition preceded the Bible)
Bibles were not mass produced (to say the least) in the beginning of the Church. The printing press wasn't invented until 1440
Was there no Church before then? (I ask Protestants but so far... crickets)
straw man, stupid argumentOf course there was a church before then. It started as a Jewish sect, remember? Jesus' Church existed long before anyone thought to put in place a bureaucracy or man-made rituals. I think that's what is driving your adamant insistence that the Catholic Church is the only valid church, to the point of even doubting that Christians can be in any other one. I'm telling you, you will be surprised to find who is in heaven. There will be many whose faith you despised and mocked. I, for one, will not presume to tell God who He can and can't invite in.
Every Church is the "right church" that preaches the Gospel. It doesn't have to be in any man-made bureaucracy to be the "right" church.straw man, stupid argument
I never said only Catholics go to Heaven. However, if it is hard enough for a person in the right Church to make it... I doubt there are many outside it who make it.
I base my belief on what Jesus had to say, as well as His revelation in which we find a vast crowd too large to count worshipping God before the throne. Yes, the path of righteousness is straight and narrow, and few find it, but that's few compared to the vast numbers of humans that have ever lived. The point remains, being a Catholic is no more of a guarantor of being in heaven than is being a Lutheran.Notice how I say "I doubt"
whereas YOU act like you know exactly who will be in Heaven
Presumption is as the sin of divination (that's in the Bible you claim to go by)
