Replace the ACA with single payer

[Decus]

Here is evidence of the failure of the UK healthcare system:

"The financial problems of the NHS are now “endemic” and have worsened so significantly in the past year that the situation is no longer sustainable, Whitehall’s official auditor has warned."

NHS financial problems endemic and no longer sustainable, say auditors

.

 

[Decus]

The French healthcare system is struggling:

"France’s system “is simply unaffordable, unsustainable, and the manner in which it’s financed is a huge burden on the economy,” says Nicholas Spiro, managing director of Spiro Sovereign Strategy in London. “The French are not being realistic.”"

France's Health-Care System Is Going Broke

 

[Decus]

The Canadian healthcare system's problems are growing:

"Dr. Brian Day, a former president of the CMA, agreed that the problem isn’t a lack of funding."

"“The studies around the world show that Canada is one of the biggest spenders but down at the bottom in access and quality,” he said."

"The real problem, according to Day, is the government monopoly on insuring medically-necessary care, which leads to rationing of doctors and services, and “no accountability.”"

Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report

 

[Mac1958]

"The real problem, according to Day, is the government monopoly on insuring medically-necessary care, which leads to rationing of doctors and services, and “no accountability.”"

If I were to boil the whole argument down to one thing, this would be it.

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system is an excellent blend of a public foundation and market competition and innovation. It's up and running. It works. All we have to do is open it to all.
.

 

[there4eyeM]

The chart shows the U.S. spends too much for a worse system.

 

[gipper]

Replace the ACA with single payer the rest of the civilized world enjoys. Lets not be left out in the cold!!!!

-It would be cheaper
-Moral

Only rich can afford what the ryans of this world want. That is wrong.

yeah...because we all know the Federal government does everything so well.

Can't fix stupid.

 

[gipper]

Replace the ACA with single payer the rest of the civilized world enjoys. Lets not be left out in the cold!!!!

-It would be cheaper
-Moral

Only rich can afford what the ryans of this world want. That is wrong.

There is nothing moral about it.
And it certainly would not be cheaper.

Even the groups in the US, who are pushing for socialized health care, suggest it would increase taxes on everyone by at least 11%. Bernie said 6%, but he's the only idiot that thought 6% would be enough.

And when you look around the world, there isn't a single example where it is cheaper. The UK has a tax rate that is nearly double our tax rate, and their health care system is running out of money.... with nearly double our tax rate.

As you must know, facts mean nothing to the statist.

 

[dblack]

"The real problem, according to Day, is the government monopoly on insuring medically-necessary care, which leads to rationing of doctors and services, and “no accountability.”"

If I were to boil the whole argument down to one thing, this would be it.

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system is an excellent blend of a public foundation and market competition and innovation. It's up and running. It works. All we have to do is open it to all.
.

That system works because it is a safety net - an exception to the expectation that we are responsible for our own upkeep. If we throw everyone into the safety net, it will break.

 

[Mac1958]

"The real problem, according to Day, is the government monopoly on insuring medically-necessary care, which leads to rationing of doctors and services, and “no accountability.”"

If I were to boil the whole argument down to one thing, this would be it.

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system is an excellent blend of a public foundation and market competition and innovation. It's up and running. It works. All we have to do is open it to all.
.

That system works because it is a safety net - an exception to the expectation that we are responsible for our own upkeep. If we throw everyone into the safety net, it will break.

Why?
.

 

[dblack]

"The real problem, according to Day, is the government monopoly on insuring medically-necessary care, which leads to rationing of doctors and services, and “no accountability.”"

If I were to boil the whole argument down to one thing, this would be it.

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system is an excellent blend of a public foundation and market competition and innovation. It's up and running. It works. All we have to do is open it to all.
.

That system works because it is a safety net - an exception to the expectation that we are responsible for our own upkeep. If we throw everyone into the safety net, it will break.

Why?
.

That's the nature of safety nets. They're a stop-gap to help people who fall through the cracks. They exist by skimming from the people who pay their way. If no one is paying there way, the safety net can no longer function.

"Medicare for all" would fundamentally change the program from a safety net to socialized health insurance. We can argue the merits of socialism, if you like. But it's not where I want our nation to go.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

WTF do you get for $150?!! I call bull flop on you!

If you have a family of 12, then you are the drain on society .

Not when they become functioning adults.

When you switch to Social Security, you'll be a drain too.

And those 12 will be supporting your rear end.

Just like you supported those who allowed you to grow up to be a drain.

 

[Timmy]

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

WTF do you get for $150?!! I call bull flop on you!

If you have a family of 12, then you are the drain on society .

Not when they become functioning adults.

When you switch to Social Security, you'll be a drain too.

And those 12 will be supporting your rear end.

Just like you supported those who allowed you to grow up to be a drain.

Is it fair that a family of 3 pays the same as 12?

Family of 12 is straight up reckless .

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

WTF do you get for $150?!! I call bull flop on you!

If you have a family of 12, then you are the drain on society .

Not when they become functioning adults.

When you switch to Social Security, you'll be a drain too.

And those 12 will be supporting your rear end.

Just like you supported those who allowed you to grow up to be a drain.

Is it fair that a family of 3 pays the same as 12?

Family of 12 is straight up reckless .

"Fair" ?

Such a question comes from the mind of a simpleton.

If all 12 kids grow up to be doctors that provide lots of free services to the poor....then have more of them.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

And you get no subsidy?

What RED state sold that $150 scam policy? Now that 950 policy is what it actually costs and is GUARANTEED. Now to get competition and going after costs really going. Or maybe Trump will figure out to Nazify the system quickly with single payer lol...

It's not a scam policy if it actually works. My youngest brother was born prematurely and needed absurd amounts of expensive surgery and treatments in order to survive and live a normal life, and our insurance covered more than half of the cost, as well as our dental bills. We're lucky this happened before the ACA was implemented or he'd have likely died.

Half ain't great. How long ago?

I just confirmed with my mother, they paid "Roughly 95%", the company was Aetna. The only things they didn't cover amounted to a few thousand, but they did cover surgeries amounting to millions of dollars, like open heart surgery. My youngest brothers, who are twins, were "Million dollar babies".

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

Lol none of this shallow reasoning of yours changes the fact that healthcare prices haven't been affordable for the poor for decades.

If you have no money, nothing is affordable. By your logic, everything should be 'free', which is Socialism, which was implemented by the USSR, which destroyed their Nation for 90 years and caused their economy to collapse. If you want everything affordable for those who have no money, move to Venezuela. People who can't make it on their own due to lack of motivation and laziness don't deserve to have things paid for by others for them, and therefor don't NEED to be able to afford anything. You Liberals keep complaining that we're the only Nation that doesn't do this, that, or the other thing. Great, if you don't like an equal opportunity Nation where you have to take care of yourself, move somewhere else. We don't need nor want you here. Move to Cuba. Move to Venezuela. Move to a Socialist paradise where all of your policies have already destroyed their economy instead of destroying ours.

No, I don't think everything should be "free". I know you cons struggle with nuance, but no political issue is black or white.

The policies you support tell a different story.

 

[Flash]

The chart shows the U.S. spends too much for a worse system.

In these socialistic shitholes the cost of health care is enormous and is hidden in the taxation system.

For instance,the UK system is the third largest bureaucracy in the world behind the Chinese military and the India railroad system.

These socialistic countries deliver poor to mediocre health care burdened by inefficient bureaucracies.

That is why so many people come to the US for quality health care, even when they have to pay for it.

This idea of thinking that you should be given health care simply because you are alive and somebody else has to pay for it is absolutely the greediest thing imaginable, isn't it?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

Both the depressions happened after 8 years of GOP in power and deregulated insanity and greed, ignorant dupe. "a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be" ? WTH are you talking about? LOL

Actually, the Great Depression was caused by FDR, who re-implemented a lot of Woodrow Wilson's failed policies. He turned a mild recession into a Great Depression by attacking businesses with the full force unconstitutional powers the president should never have had. Including but not limited to compulsory unionism, locking prices high, minimum wage laws, and basically taking full control of private industry with the NIRA. His policies drastically increased the cost of hiring employees and the cost of goods and services, which actually promoted monopolizing businesses.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.'' -RW idiocy for dupes only LOL. Meanwhile Reaganism rolls on, defended to the death by the GOP. Now taxing the rich less than the middle class and giving the store away to giant corps. Great job. PRAYING Trump isn't as idiotic as the GOP and its dupes....

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.''

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Pay gaps are completely meaningless. Certain jobs would be completely barren of employment if everyone was paid exactly the same. People who complain about wage gaps simply don't know how the job market works.

When you apply for a job, you're selling your skills. If those skills are in high demand, you're offered higher pay. If your skills are in low demand, you're paid less. If you're applying for no-skill jobs, you're paid less.

Democrats happen to be the ones driving wages down, with extremely high taxes on employers, and lowering the amounts employees need to be paid in order to live with their Federal Aid.

They're not victims if they did it to themselves. You're just repeating Liberal talking points that have no merit.

This is what happens when gov't has little money to invest in infrastructure or training for good jobs, all to save the bloated rich from paying their fair share. Great job! Thanks for the stupidest wars ever and the corrupt W/GOP word depression, and 8 years of disfunction, dupes.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Your post basically amounts to "The rich keep doing what it was that made them rich, and the poor continue doing what it was that made them poor". Businesses exist to make money, them making money just happens to benefit those that work for them, provided they have skills there's a demand for. If you want money, create your own business.

When the rich pay less %wise than the middle class, they get REALLY rich and the middle class and the country go to hell. Like NOW, GOP dupe.

So, what you're saying is that you have wealth envy. The more money business owners have, the more they can expand their business and hire workers, as well as buy equipment for said business, which actually keeps OTHER people in business, further expanding the economy. There's literally nothing wrong with having money, you're just upset that you're too lazy to start your own business, so you'd rather the government steal from 'the rich' for you.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The VA, Medicaid & Medicare are all single payer and all utter disasters.

Yeah, let's do more!

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

Lol none of this shallow reasoning of yours changes the fact that healthcare prices haven't been affordable for the poor for decades.

If you have no money, nothing is affordable. By your logic, everything should be 'free', which is Socialism, which was implemented by the USSR, which destroyed their Nation for 90 years and caused their economy to collapse. If you want everything affordable for those who have no money, move to Venezuela. People who can't make it on their own due to lack of motivation and laziness don't deserve to have things paid for by others for them, and therefor don't NEED to be able to afford anything. You Liberals keep complaining that we're the only Nation that doesn't do this, that, or the other thing. Great, if you don't like an equal opportunity Nation where you have to take care of yourself, move somewhere else. We don't need nor want you here. Move to Cuba. Move to Venezuela. Move to a Socialist paradise where all of your policies have already destroyed their economy instead of destroying ours.

That's communism, dupe. Socialism is always democratic, just fair capitalism like every modern country, even us with ACA- once it's fixed. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA was passed...

Communism has never been implemented in the history of the world. As defined in the Communist Manifesto, Communism is a system in which everyone is equal in every way, and as such, there is no currency, there is no government, and there are no Social Classes. Every Nation in the history of the world has had one or more of those components, and therefor cannot be defined as Communist. HOWEVER, their systems perfectly match the components needed to be Socialist; Social ownership of equity and the means of production. I'd also like to point out that Socialism is NOT required by definition to be Democratic, and in fact, the most prominent examples weren't. NOWHERE is Socialism EVER defined as needing "Democracy" as a component, EVER.