Stop looking down on us, please.

[Liminal]

I'm probably going to be insulted, chastised, accused of hypocrisy in some sort of way, inciting double standards or whatnot for this post. For those of you not inclined to reading at least a minute or two, please, pass this post by.

But whatever you do, stop looking down on us, please.

Yes, I/we voted for Trump. Not all of us as Trump supporters voted for him because he "tells it like it is" or because we want to stick it to the "establishment." But does that warrant every other person who didn't looking down on us like we're a collective of brainless zombies? We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you. We're not idiots. We're smart people. We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.

We don't deserve to be blamed for every Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides it would be cute to throw a left hook at or threaten to kill someone during a Trump rally. Violence is wrong, and yes, Trump is wrong for using inciteful rhetoric, though what happened in Chicago a couple nights back was not his fault, like it or not. He had just as much right to speak as the protesters did. But I digress.

Most of us value civility, but to hear the media and everyone else, were out there looking for a fight. We're not members of the Schutzstaffel (The Nazi SS) looking to round up Muslims, Hispanics, or African Americans from their homes in the night, just so we can slit their throats in a perverted sense of superiority. We don't play the knockout game.

It's as simple as this. If the Republican party had done the job we had elected them to do, there would be no Donald Trump. If the Republican party fought twice as hard against Obama as they do Trump. There would be no Donald Trump. There would be no need for violent rhetoric and protests, or name calling. Yes, we recognize Trump is not for everyone, and that people have their own standards to adhere to, and we respect that. But the rest of us, in voting for a man that many of us don't think shares our values, we vote for him in hopes he can help us uphold them.

We voted for Trump for various reasons, and not because we're simply angry. This is a cliche saying, but it rings true today: "you don't know a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I myself don't think some of you understand us, or are unable to sympathize with us because we simply voted for Trump. Some of us are desperate. Some of us are afraid. Some of us don't see any way out other than Trump. Some of us are indeed angry; some of us are sick and tired, most of us have gone cycle after cycle voting for person after the other, hoping that he or she would be the one. And quite frankly, if you're like me, some of us have simply just given up. We are not acting in a fit of pique, this is a movement. We have tried playing by the rules and our reward was naught.

We are American citizens from all walks of life, from business owners, entrepreneurs, to soldiers and veterans, police, and firefighters, we're moms and dads with children scraping to get by, we're employed or unemployed, rich and poor, young and old, we consist of a diverse collection of races and ethnic backgrounds. We're college graduates, professors and teachers, highly educated or under educated. We're Christians, Muslims, and Jews. We are all human beings. As Shakespeare put it in his play, The Merchant of Venice, Act 3, Scene 1:

"If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that."

Another good example of Trump brained rationale. These people have no idea what they believe or why, they just know that they do.

Oh, be quiet. Just how much of this did you read before you launched your attack?

Well I'm not a Trump follower, so I read a little faster and comprehend a lot better too.

And and egotistical twit to boot.

Not much to you......is there.

 

[Liminal]

I'm probably going to be insulted, chastised, accused of hypocrisy in some sort of way, inciting double standards or whatnot for this post. For those of you not inclined to reading at least a minute or two, please, pass this post by.

But whatever you do, stop looking down on us, please.

Yes, I/we voted for Trump. Not all of us as Trump supporters voted for him because he "tells it like it is" or because we want to stick it to the "establishment." But does that warrant every other person who didn't looking down on us like we're a collective of brainless zombies? We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you. We're not idiots. We're smart people. We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.

We don't deserve to be blamed for every Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides it would be cute to throw a left hook at or threaten to kill someone during a Trump rally. Violence is wrong, and yes, Trump is wrong for using inciteful rhetoric, though what happened in Chicago a couple nights back was not his fault, like it or not. He had just as much right to speak as the protesters did. But I digress.

Most of us value civility, but to hear the media and everyone else, were out there looking for a fight. We're not members of the Schutzstaffel (The Nazi SS) looking to round up Muslims, Hispanics, or African Americans from their homes in the night, just so we can slit their throats in a perverted sense of superiority. We don't play the knockout game.

It's as simple as this. If the Republican party had done the job we had elected them to do, there would be no Donald Trump. If the Republican party fought twice as hard against Obama as they do Trump. There would be no Donald Trump. There would be no need for violent rhetoric and protests, or name calling. Yes, we recognize Trump is not for everyone, and that people have their own standards to adhere to, and we respect that. But the rest of us, in voting for a man that many of us don't think shares our values, we vote for him in hopes he can help us uphold them.

We voted for Trump for various reasons, and not because we're simply angry. This is a cliche saying, but it rings true today: "you don't know a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I myself don't think some of you understand us, or are unable to sympathize with us because we simply voted for Trump. Some of us are desperate. Some of us are afraid. Some of us don't see any way out other than Trump. Some of us are indeed angry; some of us are sick and tired, most of us have gone cycle after cycle voting for person after the other, hoping that he or she would be the one. And quite frankly, if you're like me, some of us have simply just given up. We are not acting in a fit of pique, this is a movement. We have tried playing by the rules and our reward was naught.

We are American citizens from all walks of life, from business owners, entrepreneurs, to soldiers and veterans, police, and firefighters, we're moms and dads with children scraping to get by, we're employed or unemployed, rich and poor, young and old, we consist of a diverse collection of races and ethnic backgrounds. We're college graduates, professors and teachers, highly educated or under educated. We're Christians, Muslims, and Jews. We are all human beings. As Shakespeare put it in his play, The Merchant of Venice, Act 3, Scene 1:

"If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that."

Another good example of Trump brained rationale. These people have no idea what they believe or why, they just know that they do.

Paid Poster Troll ....




.

Someone pays him to post? How does someone get on that gravy train, there apparently are no requirements.

You are a very stupid little man.

 

[Liminal]

I don't look down on the crazy.

I look across at them and say to myself "More proof that humans are not rational beings"
A host of other solutions from talking to the GOP leadership to organizing/joining a new party to express your grievances.

But no--let us vote for the biggest joke since Obama's ears is your answer.

That is desperation, and madness!

There is no place else to look but down on Trump followers. Most people would have to stoop pretty low to be on that level.

 

[Liminal]

You say you are defending people that get no respect for whom they support, yet a large portion of topics on the forum are clearly aimed at left-ists and show outright biased and are commonly derogatory in nature...yet you have not addressed these and seem to making up excuses to avoid them.

Because they are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I don't have the patience for your tu-quoque arguments. The majority of the slander and hatred has been directed at people who voted for Trump, like myself, and people who voted for and actively support him. And it has come from both sides of the political spectrum,

The "left-ists" deserve no defense to be quite honest. For the better part of a decade they have managed to display just how intolerant of other people they can be. They started that war. I feel sorry for the Sanders supporters in one respect: the Democratic nomination process is rigged in favor of Clinton. It doesn't matter how many states he wins, Hillary will manage to stay on top. This is similar to how Ron Paul was treated.

Now...I really do need to leave. Good night. I will not engage you in any further discussions.

I just want to point out something out - you started this thread to complain about being broad-brushed as a Trump supporter, and yet here you're broad-brushing all "leftists" as intolerant.

If you believe that all leftists "deserve no defense" because some have displayed "intolerance", why should we accept that you're not deserving of the mockery that leftists may exhibit to Trump supporters?

Perhaps I should clarify--voter--not supporter. Because people like to equate one with the other. I probably even did that to myself in the thread.

As far as leftists go, my definitions of "leftist" is anyone who is exists in the political spectrum as far left. You strike me as left of center, even a left leaning moderate.

So, thus, like I have made you quite aware of, there are people like you, and millions of others like you, who deserve plenty of defense. Because you offer rational arguments and are tolerant of others despite the difference. However, that worthiness of defense stops when someone presents an abject intolerance of you, your beliefs, background or what have you. You do not fit that archetype. That is why we are friends.

I'm not undeserving of mockery of criticism, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to protest it. I deserve whatever consequences befall me for whatever I've said here tonight.

But like I told the other guy, I need sleep. And I will probably wake up, go over this thread and wind up regretting a lot of the things I've said. And for that I apologize.

I guess it's just a good thing the abject intolerance is all one sided. That way you can whine about how Trump followers are just victims of political and cultural persecution.

 

[Theowl32]

That Lakota moron sure giggles a lot. Must make her ignorant ass sick that a Republican was made an honorary member of the Lakota tribe. Yes, republicans (conservatives that used to be republicans ) have been far bigger friend to blacks, natives and the environment than any fucking left wing goon has ever been.

 

[Liminal]

See, Never, you tried to put

I tend to see no real issue with being called arrogant.

There's your problem. It's that kind of elitism that pisses people off.

You say that, but you support Trump...you literally have huge, gaping loopholes in your logic.

You A) Look down on me for supporting Trump

B) You insult my intelligence for supporting Trump

C) You stated yourself you had no issue being called arrogant, which ironically sounds like something Trump would say

D) and overall, you resort to the same petty insults that Trump resorts to.

And you lecture me about my logic, given that you seem to exhibit the same behavior?

To be a Trump follower you have to be either very stupid or simply dishonest. There is no third option.

 

[Never3ndr]

To be a Trump follower you have to be either very stupid or simply dishonest. There is no third option.

Ahhh come now, that is disingenuous. One can easily see an intelligent, honest, xenophobic individual being a big supporter of Trump!

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's funny that you think I'm a "moderate", because from my perspective, I'm an absolute radical. From where I sit, I'm farther to the "left" than most of the posters here that you would categorize as "far left".

Well then, you have been miscatagorized. They are making broad generalizations just like I do sometimes. I guess some are so far right that you are categorized as far left. I haven't seen anything in your views and posts to suggest you are a "radical."

What you're complaining about isn't reflective on where you sit on the left-right spectrum, it's just reflective of people.

That's a fair point.

Seriously, take a couple of minutes to examine the "Active Topics" list at any given moment - there are at least as many, as you say, irrational and intolerant threads from the right as there are from the left.

Don't think I haven't noticed. I avoid threads for that reason. It's a waste of my time to get sucked into them. Surely you don't think I'm that one sided?

 

[bendog]

I'm probably going to be insulted, chastised, accused of hypocrisy in some sort of way, inciting double standards or whatnot for this post. For those of you not inclined to reading at least a minute or two, please, pass this post by.

But whatever you do, stop looking down on us, please.

Yes, I/we voted for Trump. Not all of us as Trump supporters voted for him because he "tells it like it is" or because we want to stick it to the "establishment." But does that warrant every other person who didn't looking down on us like we're a collective of brainless zombies? We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you. We're not idiots. We're smart people. We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.

We don't deserve to be blamed for every Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides it would be cute to throw a left hook at or threaten to kill someone during a Trump rally. Violence is wrong, and yes, Trump is wrong for using inciteful rhetoric, though what happened in Chicago a couple nights back was not his fault, like it or not. He had just as much right to speak as the protesters did. But I digress.

Most of us value civility, but to hear the media and everyone else, were out there looking for a fight. We're not members of the Schutzstaffel (The Nazi SS) looking to round up Muslims, Hispanics, or African Americans from their homes in the night, just so we can slit their throats in a perverted sense of superiority. We don't play the knockout game.

It's as simple as this. If the Republican party had done the job we had elected them to do, there would be no Donald Trump. If the Republican party fought twice as hard against Obama as they do Trump, there would be no Donald Trump. There would be no need for violent rhetoric and protests, or name calling. Yes, we recognize Trump is not for everyone, and that people have their own standards to adhere to, and we respect that. But the rest of us, in voting for a man that many of us don't think shares our values, we voted for him in hopes he can help us uphold them.

We voted for Trump for various reasons, and not because we're simply angry. This is a cliche saying, but it rings true today: "you don't know a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I myself don't think some of you understand us, or are unable to sympathize with us because we simply voted for Trump. Some of us are desperate. Some of us are afraid. Some of us don't see any way out other than Trump. Some of us are indeed angry; some of us are sick and tired, most of us have gone cycle after cycle voting for one person after the other, hoping that he or she would be the one. And quite frankly, if you're like me, some of us have simply just given up. We are not acting in a fit of pique, this is a movement. We have tried playing by the rules and our reward was naught.

We are American citizens from all walks of life, from business owners, entrepreneurs, to soldiers and veterans, police, and firefighters, we're moms and dads with children scraping to get by, we're employed or unemployed, rich and poor, young and old, we consist of a diverse collection of races and ethnic backgrounds. We're college graduates, high school dropouts, professors and teachers, highly educated or under educated. We're Christians, Muslims, and Jews. We are all human beings. As Shakespeare put it in his play, The Merchant of Venice, Act 3, Scene 1:

"If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that."

I also voted for Trump, and did so because of disgust with the establishment and .... Kasich looks and acts old. But if anyone thinks Trump actually has policies that actually advance what he claims he'll do ..... then they are either deluded or not too bright, and in either case, they are deluded.

 

[forkup]

I'm probably going to be insulted, chastised, accused of hypocrisy in some sort of way, inciting double standards or whatnot for this post. For those of you not inclined to reading at least a minute or two, please, pass this post by.

But whatever you do, stop looking down on us, please.

Yes, I/we voted for Trump. Not all of us as Trump supporters voted for him because he "tells it like it is" or because we want to stick it to the "establishment." But does that warrant every other person who didn't looking down on us like we're a collective of brainless zombies? We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you. We're not idiots. We're smart people. We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.

We don't deserve to be blamed for every Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides it would be cute to throw a left hook at or threaten to kill someone during a Trump rally. Violence is wrong, and yes, Trump is wrong for using inciteful rhetoric, though what happened in Chicago a couple nights back was not his fault, like it or not. He had just as much right to speak as the protesters did. But I digress.

Most of us value civility, but to hear the media and everyone else, were out there looking for a fight. We're not members of the Schutzstaffel (The Nazi SS) looking to round up Muslims, Hispanics, or African Americans from their homes in the night, just so we can slit their throats in a perverted sense of superiority. We don't play the knockout game.

It's as simple as this. If the Republican party had done the job we had elected them to do, there would be no Donald Trump. If the Republican party fought twice as hard against Obama as they do Trump, there would be no Donald Trump. There would be no need for violent rhetoric and protests, or name calling. Yes, we recognize Trump is not for everyone, and that people have their own standards to adhere to, and we respect that. But the rest of us, in voting for a man that many of us don't think shares our values, we voted for him in hopes he can help us uphold them.

We voted for Trump for various reasons, and not because we're simply angry. This is a cliche saying, but it rings true today: "you don't know a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I myself don't think some of you understand us, or are unable to sympathize with us because we simply voted for Trump. Some of us are desperate. Some of us are afraid. Some of us don't see any way out other than Trump. Some of us are indeed angry; some of us are sick and tired, most of us have gone cycle after cycle voting for one person after the other, hoping that he or she would be the one. And quite frankly, if you're like me, some of us have simply just given up. We are not acting in a fit of pique, this is a movement. We have tried playing by the rules and our reward was naught.

We are American citizens from all walks of life, from business owners, entrepreneurs, to soldiers and veterans, police, and firefighters, we're moms and dads with children scraping to get by, we're employed or unemployed, rich and poor, young and old, we consist of a diverse collection of races and ethnic backgrounds. We're college graduates, high school dropouts, professors and teachers, highly educated or under educated. We're Christians, Muslims, and Jews. We are all human beings. As Shakespeare put it in his play, The Merchant of Venice, Act 3, Scene 1:

"If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that."

That is probably the most articulate defence of voting for Trump I've seen on this board. I'll try to match you but I doubt I can. The point your making is a valid one, and one should always try to at least understand ppl who don't agree with you. Having said that, I and most ppl have troubles respecting your choice. I understand the frustrations you feel but choosing as an answer someone who, apperently you feel as someone who doens't share your values and in alot of ways is completly against what you want to be associated with is weird to say the least. You where very eloquent in your defence, but not to put to fine a point on it, the only discernable reason I can make out of your post why you would vote for Trump is that he's the republican nominee and you vote for him because of that. There's another candidate who's not establishment but isn't rude or incendiary but he's on the democratic side. Now to me it's very refreshing to not have to worry about getting a responce from you wich would basicly would call me an idiot or something and i would actually very much enjoy you answering me and elaborate a bit further on your reasoning to vote for Trump.

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, I voted for him because he was on T.V.? "The Apprentice" Love that show, especially when he says? TemplarKormac, you`re FIRED!

Yo, I never even watched "The Apprentice." I didn't vote for him because of his popularity. I voted for him for reasons I stated in post #1. And for the record, the person I associate the "You're fired" with more, is this guy. See, WWF/E wrestling was my thing back in the day:

Acutally --- that speaks volumes about the vote you admitted to in post 1.
Volumes.

Are you interested in me Pogo? Because that sounded like you trying to hit off me.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

What the hell is a "hit off me"? Are we playing baseball?

Yo, he is telling the truth Puppet? You are a FAG! Keep your thoughts to yourself!!!

"GTP"

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.

I've got to ask, what does Trump offer the thinking man, that John Kasich or Ted Cruz does not?

Well, replace Cruz with Bush or Rubio - but otherwise, good question.

 

[g5000]

We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you.

I call you Trump's Chumps.

Stop looking down on us, please.

Trump looks down on America. All he does is complain about our country. Why would you vote for a fucking pessimistic whiner?

 

[Agit8r]

We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.

I've got to ask, what does Trump offer the thinking man, that John Kasich or Ted Cruz does not?

Well, replace Cruz with Bush or Rubio - but otherwise, good question.

As detestable as Cruz is, at least he could produce some policy specifics.

 

[Agit8r]

We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you.

I call you Trump's Chumps.

Stop looking down on us, please.

Trump looks down on America. All he does is complain about our country. Why would you vote for a fucking pessimistic whiner?

Trump is still sore about not being allowed to have segregated housing anymore.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Again: to denounce and oppose the bigotry and hate advocated by Trump and most of his supporters is not to be 'intolerant.'

 

[cereal_killer]

Again: to denounce and oppose the bigotry and hate advocated by Trump and most of his supporters is not to be 'intolerant.'

When has Trump ever spewed bigotry and hate? Links, not your opinions. Thanks.

 

[g5000]

Again: to denounce and oppose the bigotry and hate advocated by Trump and most of his supporters is not to be 'intolerant.'

When has Trump ever spewed bigotry and hate? Links, not your opinions. Thanks.

"They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

"Islam hates America."

 

[Mac1958]

But whatever you do, stop looking down on us, please.

The attraction is very, very difficult to understand, and I really have been trying.

That said, there are a lot of nasty, hateful, miserable people out there (and here) who will look for any excuse to "look down" on others to soothe their own self esteem issues.

Here's the good news: You don't need their approval.
.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Buyers remorse.....and so soon!