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I never attended an Ivy League college (maybe a better public university, but the GI Bill does not pay the full tuition of private universities). Also, higher academia means your level of degree, not what school(s) you attended. You can go to Blumpkin university and get your master's or Ph.D. and start doing research work, while you may have to work pretty hard since you don't have the credentials, you are still in the higher academic arena.
I've read your post, now, maybe I've missed it, but it really seems like you spoke in generalities rather than listing your personal opinions on the matter.You also keep crying about not specifically constructing an argument YET YOU HAVE NEVER GIVEN US YOUR PERSONAL REASONS FOR SUPPORTING HIM...hello?
Hello! You're the one lecturing me about constructing arguments, as yours have devolved into ad hominem.
Did you not read the OP? Or is reading comprehension not your forte? All my reasons were stated there. Your biases and preconceived judgements told you to ignore any reasons I gave for supporting Trump.
I'm sorry if you failed to grasp my point. That's not my problem.
What "promises" are you referring to?
What "wounds" should have been tended?
What "wounds" is Trump a "tourniquet" for?
Please list, explicitly, in bullet fashion, your personal reasons for supporting Trump.
Feel free to correct me and treat me like the neanderthal you seem to think I am.
I don't, I think that my life experience, in general grants me more wisdom than you. While I'm not as idealistic as I was when I was younger I am more experienced. I've been able to travel the world, see both 1st world and 3rd world nations. I've been able to meet people and see what they have to say and see how unique and wonderful America, and other nations, truly are. I've been able to take the time to visit many places around the nation, from the rolling, endless plains in South Dakota, to the harsh cold winter of the NE, to the tropics in Hawaii, to LA in the West, to Florida in the East.I never attended an Ivy League college (maybe a better public university, but the GI Bill does not pay the full tuition of private universities). Also, higher academia means your level of degree, not what school(s) you attended. You can go to Blumpkin university and get your master's or Ph.D. and start doing research work, while you may have to work pretty hard since you don't have the credentials, you are still in the higher academic arena.
So, you somehow think this grants you an insight that none of us lower folk posses, from what I'm hearing. This is quite the spectacle. Going to college or getting a degree does not grant you absolute wisdom or intelligence. It's saddening to see you haven't gotten the memo.
I'm probably going to be insulted, chastised, accused of hypocrisy in some sort of way, inciting double standards or whatnot for this post. For those of you not inclined to reading at least a minute or two, please, pass this post by.
But whatever you do, stop looking down on us, please.
Yes, I/we voted for Trump. Not all of us as Trump supporters voted for him because he "tells it like it is" or because we want to stick it to the "establishment." But does that warrant every other person who didn't looking down on us like we're a collective of brainless zombies? We're more often than not referred to in many sorts of derogatory ways, like "stupid", "un-American", "unintelligent", "Nazis", "Drumpfs", "Trumpettes", "racists" "pigs" or what have you. We're not idiots. We're smart people. We have the ability to think, to deduce, to reason. We don't deserve to be labeled. We're not monsters or automatons.
We don't deserve to be blamed for every Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides it would be cute to throw a left hook at or threaten to kill someone during a Trump rally. Violence is wrong, and yes, Trump is wrong for using inciteful rhetoric, though what happened in Chicago a couple nights back was not his fault, like it or not. He had just as much right to speak as the protesters did. But I digress.
Most of us value civility, but to hear the media and everyone else, were out there looking for a fight. We're not members of the Schutzstaffel (The Nazi SS) looking to round up Muslims, Hispanics, or African Americans from their homes in the night, just so we can slit their throats in a perverted sense of superiority. We don't play the knockout game.
It's as simple as this. If the Republican party had done the job we had elected them to do, there would be no Donald Trump. If the Republican party fought twice as hard against Obama as they do Trump, there would be no Donald Trump. There would be no need for violent rhetoric and protests, or name calling. Yes, we recognize Trump is not for everyone, and that people have their own standards to adhere to, and we respect that. But the rest of us, in voting for a man that many of us don't think shares our values, we voted for him in hopes he can help us uphold them.
We voted for Trump for various reasons, and not because we're simply angry. This is a cliche saying, but it rings true today: "you don't know a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." I myself don't think some of you understand us, or are unable to sympathize with us because we simply voted for Trump. Some of us are desperate. Some of us are afraid. Some of us don't see any way out other than Trump. Some of us are indeed angry; some of us are sick and tired, most of us have gone cycle after cycle voting for one person after the other, hoping that he or she would be the one. And quite frankly, if you're like me, some of us have simply just given up. We are not acting in a fit of pique, this is a movement. We have tried playing by the rules and our reward was naught.
We are American citizens from all walks of life, from business owners, entrepreneurs, to soldiers and veterans, police, and firefighters, we're moms and dads with children scraping to get by, we're employed or unemployed, rich and poor, young and old, we consist of a diverse collection of races and ethnic backgrounds. We're college graduates, high school dropouts, professors and teachers, highly educated or under educated. We're Christians, Muslims, and Jews. We are all human beings. As Shakespeare put it in his play, The Merchant of Venice, Act 3, Scene 1:
"If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that."
So, your position is that we have corrupt officials that allow illegals across the border due to the drug trade? I'll allow that, the drug war is horrid for both our economy and Mexico's. I'm glad you are on the same side as me and are looking to legalize illicit drugs in the United States.I don't think anybody "allows" illegals across the border...hence, the term, "illegal".There's your problem. It's that kind of elitism that pisses people off.
Elitism may piss people off, but Populism gets people killed.
You know what gets American citizens killed? Allowing illegals to pour across our border and murder them.
Thinking, not your strong suit. Go watch the National Geographic documentary on Mexico's Meth trafficking into the United States then once you have a sliver of knowledge perhaps we can discuss further.
You realize that if you have given up, you wouldn't even vote right (let's be honest, its a huge pain in the ass...at least in my state).Please list, explicitly, in bullet fashion, your personal reasons for supporting Trump.
If you had been reading carefully, you would have seen me give an explicit reason as to why I supported Trump.
"And quite frankly, if you're like me, some of us have simply just given up."
If that doesn't edify you as to my reasons, I can't help you further.
Like I said, I'm glad to hear that you are with us on stopping the drug war and legalizing all illicit substances. You have no complaints here my friend.So, your position is that we have corrupt officials that allow illegals across the border due to the drug trade? I'll allow that, the drug war is horrid for both our economy and Mexico's. I'm glad you are on the same side as me and are looking to legalize illicit drugs in the United States.I don't think anybody "allows" illegals across the border...hence, the term, "illegal".Elitism may piss people off, but Populism gets people killed.
You know what gets American citizens killed? Allowing illegals to pour across our border and murder them.
Thinking, not your strong suit. Go watch the National Geographic documentary on Mexico's Meth trafficking into the United States then once you have a sliver of knowledge perhaps we can discuss further.
My position is that you are ill informed on the issue, pitifully ill informed. What is your position on the issue of 1/3 of illegals stealing $4 billion a year from American taxpayers? They were only stealing about $250 million a year under Bush, now its $4 billion plus and rising. We have bombed countries to rubble for killing fewer Americans than illegals have killed, your position on that?
I don't, I think that my life experience, in general grants me more wisdom than you.
While I'm not as idealistic as I was when I was younger I am more experienced. I've been able to travel the world, see both 1st world and 3rd world nations. I've been able to meet people and see what they have to say and see how unique and wonderful America, and other nations, truly are. I've been able to take the time to visit many places around the nation, from the rolling, endless plains in South Dakota, to the harsh cold winter of the NE, to the tropics in Hawaii, to LA in the West, to Florida in the East.
I've been able to be deployed to combat, twice. I've experience the military and civilian side of life.
To be quite honest, moreso than any sort of logical constructed argument (which, if you provide your personal reasons I'd be more than willing to attack), it is my experiences that lead me to see Trump as a true danger to our nation.
You realize that if you have given up, you wouldn't even vote right (let's be honest, its a huge pain in the ass...at least in my state).
Which vacillate between ludicrously vague, outright criminal, ominously counter to basic freedoms or poorly thought through.
My goodness gracious, what kind of sig is that?It is hard not to get down when one feels that fellow Republicans are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Personally, I'm pretty scared that I'll eventually reach a day where I'm set in my ways. I think that now, at least, I'm fortunate enough to have a relatively flexible mind.I don't, I think that my life experience, in general grants me more wisdom than you.
You know, you're the second person who has said something similar to me over the past 24 hours. Your life experience obviously didn't teach you any manners or sensibilities. Living longer doesn't always make you wiser than someone else. I don't know why people think that way. I've seen 80 year olds that were dumber than a rock, and they didn't have Alzheimer's either. I've also noticed that in some cases, growing older makes one more rigid in their ways. It closes them to new ideas or possibilities.
While I'm not as idealistic as I was when I was younger I am more experienced. I've been able to travel the world, see both 1st world and 3rd world nations. I've been able to meet people and see what they have to say and see how unique and wonderful America, and other nations, truly are. I've been able to take the time to visit many places around the nation, from the rolling, endless plains in South Dakota, to the harsh cold winter of the NE, to the tropics in Hawaii, to LA in the West, to Florida in the East.
Ah, great, now you're monologuing me. I don't care if you've been to Mars and back, to be honest.
I've been able to be deployed to combat, twice. I've experience the military and civilian side of life.
Thank you for your service then.
To be quite honest, moreso than any sort of logical constructed argument (which, if you provide your personal reasons I'd be more than willing to attack), it is my experiences that lead me to see Trump as a true danger to our nation.
Your experiences have taught you to look down on others who never shared them, or don't believe as you do. You have a classic "holier than thou" attitude. Not dissimilar to Trump's. You are dismissive. And you are fool enough to think that I somehow am a danger to "your" nation. How dare you.
If you don't care where I've been (and I don't necessarily blame you) don't go out of your way to thank me.
If you ever reach the upper echelon of something you will understand my attitude, either because you have become me yourself, or because you rub shoulders with individuals with similar attitudes than me.
You keep comparing me to Trump in and associating that with a negative. This makes it all the more curious why you support him?
You'll see that the guys near the top, the don't see the guys on the bottom or the middle as their equals. They KNOW that they are better than them (whether that be performance or knowledge). You won't see it until you reach that upper echelon in whatever you do.
You know, I may actually believe that if you weren't so passionately defending your stance. If you gave up, if you didn't care...you wouldn't be spending hours upon hours defending that viewpoint. Whether you are honest enough with yourself or wise enough to realize it, you are a passionate supporter of Trump. As such, I've asked before, and I'll ask again...why? It is pretty clear you have done anything but "give up".If you don't care where I've been (and I don't necessarily blame you) don't go out of your way to thank me.
Given that I've had multiple generations in my family fight in wars throughout the past century, that is something I recognize well, and even if I don't like you, I'll thank you nonetheless. It is admirable for any man or woman to put their life on the line for the sake of his or her country.
Don't get me wrong, even as I lob angry ripostes at you, I have nothing against you. At all. I get caught up sometimes, which is a failing of mine, admittedly.
If you ever reach the upper echelon of something you will understand my attitude, either because you have become me yourself, or because you rub shoulders with individuals with similar attitudes than me.
Ahh, I see. A common man like me must reach "the upper echelon" of something before he is seen as an equal. That's the very definition of elitism. I don't want to reach a stage in my life where I spend most of it comparing people to my experiences and disregarding them out of hand.
You keep comparing me to Trump in and associating that with a negative. This makes it all the more curious why you support him?
How many times must you ask me? You somehow equate voting for someone as support. I don't. Support. Trump. But I do understand why others do. Though, I have gotten to a point where I feel it doesn't matter who I vote for, it will all be the same. But, as I was taught by my grandmother, voting is a civic duty. If you don't vote, you have no place complaining about who is elected or what policy is passed.
It's as simple as that, sir.
