The Voice of God.

[Avatar4321]

That is a more mature approach than most I suppose. However, what God says about it assumes that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I know that you believe it is.

When I used to sell pro-audio equipment, the biggest pain in the ass grinders on price were usually churches. I'm not kidding when I say that they would actually say that they prayed and God told them that I had to basically sell to them at cost. No joke. God apparently told them that I had to drop my pants for their church and make nothing. Although I never said it out loud, I felt like telling them God told me I had to feed my children.

Incidentally, I never sold to them at cost. I did strive to make a very fair bargain with them, and often went above and beyond with some, because they proved to be repeat clients, but it always amused me how they used God as a commercial bargaining chip. I wonder if, according to them, I went against God's will by actually making a paltry profit.

The Holy Spirit will testify that the Bible contains His words.

God isn't going to give revelation concerning your business to anyone but you. If someone told me God said I had to give them my professional services to them for nothing, I could safely conclude that they are not being honest because they have no authority to recieve revelation on my behalf. If God wants me to do something specific, He will tell me specifically.

The Lord only gives revelation regarding our sphere of influence. Our personal life. Our family life. To guide our children. In our callings. We don't have the right to recieve revelation for others unless we have certain keys given to us that give us authority over that person. If we did receive revelation in our sphere of authority towards someone else, they are entitled to recieve their own confirmation of that revelation. They have no obligation to take our word with it. In fact, the Lord encourages people not to.

That's something I love about the Gospel. You don't have to take my word about it. I dont have to take someone elses word about it. If the Lord reveals a principle of the Gospel to His Apostles, I can recieve the same principle through the ministering of the Spirit.

Everything I've just wrote about is my own experience and understanding of the way the Lord speaks with us. And like I said, the beautiful part about it is you don't have to take my word for it. In fact, I encourage you not to take my word for it. Take it to the Lord. Wait upon Him. Seek Him out and follow Him.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Come ON, y'all!

Write about YOUR conversations with God!





Or a link. A link works.

Another AVG-Tale: http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/121400-i-just-spoke-to-god.html

 

[daws101]

Come ON, y'all!

Write about YOUR conversations with God!





Or a link. A link works.

Another AVG-Tale: http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/121400-i-just-spoke-to-god.html

last time I spoke to god was in 1970..never got a reply..

 

[AVG-JOE]

Ask a different god...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgxPuJfSgtQ]You Can't Ever Come Down - Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies - YouTube[/ame]

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[theword]

That's what I want to discuss.... That 'Still Small Voice' so often referenced.

What does it say?
What does it sound like?
What makes you think it's God?

How would you describe the taste of salt to someone who can't taste? How would you describe a sunset to someone who can't see?

The voice of the Lord is something you have to experience First hand. Be still and know that He is God. Seek Him in sincerity AJ. He will answer your prayer.

I didn't know how I would know He answered my prayers when I was first experimenting on the Word. I just thought about it logically and realized that If there was a God and He communicated with man, He could communicate with me somehow. I put faith in that and then actively studied what I had that others had experienced. I studied the scriptures. When He revealed Himself, it was very very obvious. And what's more is once I recognized His voice for what it was, I realized He had been speaking to me for months and I just didn't realize it.

I've found that the voice of the Lord is often accompanied by the fruits of the Spirit:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Gal 5:22-23)

When I recognized the Spirit for the first time it was like I was surrounded by pure love and full of joy, glory, and power. The Lord's voice was very very very soft spoken but the fruits of the Spirit were extremely intense.

When the Lord teaches us through the Holy Spirit, He talks to us Spirit to spirit. His spirit speaks to our spirit. That's how we learn about spiritual things. 1 Cor 2:10-11 briefly describes this.

The voice of the Lord will speak to both your mind and your heart. (D&C 8:2) But we need to put in effort. We have to act in faith. We have to study things out. Often we don't recieve answers because we haven't put the effort we need to prepare ourselves for those answers.

I have no doubt that if you seek the Lord, you will find Him. But it does require faith. Faith isn't blind belief. Often we only need faith enough to take a few steps into the dark. Like I said earlier, I didn't know whether God existed or not. But I could reasonable conclude that If He did, He could answer and I put faith in that.

My experience also tells me that this may take more than one time praying. It's more of a process than a single event. Though the Lord is free to speak at any time, He frequently lets us test our faith first.

Some people seem to think that God is just about the afterlife. He isn't. He tries to teach us and guide us during this life. He blesses us during this life and is trying to help us grow and become greater than we currently are. Yes, the Atonement helps us escape physical and spiritual death, or death and hell. But it also helps us build ourselves, our families, our communities and shows us how to be happy in this life.

I hope you hear the voice of the Lord soon. So you know for yourself.

It's obvious you were listening to your flesh instead of our Creator. Otherwise, you would be a believer of the gospel I preach. It isn't the written words in a Bible that you have to believe in, it's the message from the Truth within the spoken gospel that you need to hear to qualify you as a true believer.

Jesus and all us saints preach the same exact gospel, which is God's voice. We were created as the Word to speak for Him forever and ever.

 

[daws101]

That's what I want to discuss.... That 'Still Small Voice' so often referenced.

What does it say?
What does it sound like?
What makes you think it's God?

How would you describe the taste of salt to someone who can't taste? How would you describe a sunset to someone who can't see?

The voice of the Lord is something you have to experience First hand. Be still and know that He is God. Seek Him in sincerity AJ. He will answer your prayer.

I didn't know how I would know He answered my prayers when I was first experimenting on the Word. I just thought about it logically and realized that If there was a God and He communicated with man, He could communicate with me somehow. I put faith in that and then actively studied what I had that others had experienced. I studied the scriptures. When He revealed Himself, it was very very obvious. And what's more is once I recognized His voice for what it was, I realized He had been speaking to me for months and I just didn't realize it.

I've found that the voice of the Lord is often accompanied by the fruits of the Spirit:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Gal 5:22-23)

When I recognized the Spirit for the first time it was like I was surrounded by pure love and full of joy, glory, and power. The Lord's voice was very very very soft spoken but the fruits of the Spirit were extremely intense.

When the Lord teaches us through the Holy Spirit, He talks to us Spirit to spirit. His spirit speaks to our spirit. That's how we learn about spiritual things. 1 Cor 2:10-11 briefly describes this.

The voice of the Lord will speak to both your mind and your heart. (D&C 8:2) But we need to put in effort. We have to act in faith. We have to study things out. Often we don't recieve answers because we haven't put the effort we need to prepare ourselves for those answers.

I have no doubt that if you seek the Lord, you will find Him. But it does require faith. Faith isn't blind belief. Often we only need faith enough to take a few steps into the dark. Like I said earlier, I didn't know whether God existed or not. But I could reasonable conclude that If He did, He could answer and I put faith in that.

My experience also tells me that this may take more than one time praying. It's more of a process than a single event. Though the Lord is free to speak at any time, He frequently lets us test our faith first.

Some people seem to think that God is just about the afterlife. He isn't. He tries to teach us and guide us during this life. He blesses us during this life and is trying to help us grow and become greater than we currently are. Yes, the Atonement helps us escape physical and spiritual death, or death and hell. But it also helps us build ourselves, our families, our communities and shows us how to be happy in this life.

I hope you hear the voice of the Lord soon. So you know for yourself.

It's obvious you were listening to your flesh instead of our Creator. Otherwise, you would be a believer of the gospel I preach. It isn't the written words in a Bible that you have to believe in, it's the message from the Truth within the spoken gospel that you need to hear to qualify you as a true believer.

Jesus and all us saints preach the same exact gospel, which is God's voice. We were created as the Word to speak for Him forever and ever.

what gospel might that be?
do you have some sort of religious training ?

 

[theword]

Let's see what God says about it:

Be still, and know that I am God.
Meditate on the Word
My sheep know my voice
Knock and I will open
Because they have called on Me, I will honor them

Among other things, He'll give you wisdom, understanding, and discernment. He'll even talk to you in your sleep if you ask Him to. And He answers prayer.

But there is a problem. I can't go to the Mt. of Olives and listen to Christ. He's not here right now. So to hear Him, I have to read what He said. That way I know if some one says something to the contrary. I'll know that's not His voice.

The human spirit and the flesh are powerful. We had a church pray like crazy for God to tell them where to put a new youth camp. The church had 3 sister churches, so 2 in Ohio, one in Ill. and the other in Fla. According to the pastor and the elders, all good Christians, God picked, North Carolina!?!
When they got to North Carolina to pick out the property, apparently God decided that the price of real estate was to high in North Carolina, so they came home. I told them it was ok, God, must not be current on real estate prices........

One of them wanted to move to the country. Apparently God moved them 4 times, before He decided they liked the city better. I told them it was ok, God just didn't understand country life.......

The pastor's son had twins and the pastors wife got a "word" that God wanted to move the church to the town where their son lived. I told them that was ok, God, never liked the place He told you to put it in the first place............

Pray God's will and then let go. That way you know where your going.........

That is a more mature approach than most I suppose. However, what God says about it assumes that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I know that you believe it is.

When I used to sell pro-audio equipment, the biggest pain in the ass grinders on price were usually churches. I'm not kidding when I say that they would actually say that they prayed and God told them that I had to basically sell to them at cost. No joke. God apparently told them that I had to drop my pants for their church and make nothing. Although I never said it out loud, I felt like telling them God told me I had to feed my children.

Incidentally, I never sold to them at cost. I did strive to make a very fair bargain with them, and often went above and beyond with some, because they proved to be repeat clients, but it always amused me how they used God as a commercial bargaining chip. I wonder if, according to them, I went against God's will by actually making a paltry profit.

Christians are the greatest deceivers on this planet. They actually believe their gods gave them this planet to control everything that exists on it.

I expose all the lies of Christians and reveal the "beast" that forces them to believe in all their lies.

 

[BreezeWood]

Truth within the spoken gospel that you need to hear to qualify you as a true believer.

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ours is the conveyance directly from God, readings from the Garden through vision.

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[theword]

Truth within the spoken gospel that you need to hear to qualify you as a true believer.

.

ours is the conveyance directly from God, readings from the Garden through vision.

.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is still deceiving every man from knowing what's going on in this world. This delusion of God's is very strong today.

 

[BreezeWood]

Truth within the spoken gospel that you need to hear to qualify you as a true believer.

.

ours is the conveyance directly from God, readings from the Garden through vision.

.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is still deceiving every man from knowing what's going on in this world. This delusion of God's is very strong today.

.


can that be ?

“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

the above is an abject falsehood - and must be corrected to read further the "Forbiden Book" ....


when I reach that (Biblical) Tree I will keep in mind yours and others perception but my knowledge of its existence is simply by other accounts it exists.

I do not believe that Tree to be Deceitful.

 

[theword]

.

ours is the conveyance directly from God, readings from the Garden through vision.

.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is still deceiving every man from knowing what's going on in this world. This delusion of God's is very strong today.

.


can that be ?

“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

the above is an abject falsehood - and must be corrected to read further the "Forbiden Book" ....


when I reach that (Biblical) Tree I will keep in mind yours and others perception but my knowledge of its existence is simply by other accounts it exists.

I do not believe that Tree to be Deceitful.

What you see, taste, smell and touch in this world deceives you of the invisible Truth and His creation.

 

[BreezeWood]

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is still deceiving every man from knowing what's going on in this world. This delusion of God's is very strong today.

.


can that be ?

“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

the above is an abject falsehood - and must be corrected to read further the "Forbiden Book" ....


when I reach that (Biblical) Tree I will keep in mind yours and others perception but my knowledge of its existence is simply by other accounts it exists.

I do not believe that Tree to be Deceitful.

What you see, taste, smell and touch in this world deceives you of the invisible Truth and His creation.

What you see, taste, smell and touch in this world deceives you of the invisible Truth and His creation.


that is not true if you are sinless JC - and less true for less the sinner and more so for those who become sinless before their last breath.

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you seem to have lost all purpose ... except for yourself

.

 

[theword]

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can that be ?




the above is an abject falsehood - and must be corrected to read further the "Forbiden Book" ....


when I reach that (Biblical) Tree I will keep in mind yours and others perception but my knowledge of its existence is simply by other accounts it exists.

I do not believe that Tree to be Deceitful.

What you see, taste, smell and touch in this world deceives you of the invisible Truth and His creation.

What you see, taste, smell and touch in this world deceives you of the invisible Truth and His creation.


that is not true if you are sinless JC - and less true for less the sinner and more so for those who become sinless before their last breath.

-

you seem to have lost all purpose ... except for yourself

.

You should be a TV evangelist with all your enthusiasm and worldly knowledge that other sinners have.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

That is a more mature approach than most I suppose. However, what God says about it assumes that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I know that you believe it is.

When I used to sell pro-audio equipment, the biggest pain in the ass grinders on price were usually churches. I'm not kidding when I say that they would actually say that they prayed and God told them that I had to basically sell to them at cost. No joke. God apparently told them that I had to drop my pants for their church and make nothing. Although I never said it out loud, I felt like telling them God told me I had to feed my children.

Incidentally, I never sold to them at cost. I did strive to make a very fair bargain with them, and often went above and beyond with some, because they proved to be repeat clients, but it always amused me how they used God as a commercial bargaining chip. I wonder if, according to them, I went against God's will by actually making a paltry profit.

The Holy Spirit will testify that the Bible contains His words.

God isn't going to give revelation concerning your business to anyone but you. If someone told me God said I had to give them my professional services to them for nothing, I could safely conclude that they are not being honest because they have no authority to recieve revelation on my behalf. If God wants me to do something specific, He will tell me specifically.

The Lord only gives revelation regarding our sphere of influence. Our personal life. Our family life. To guide our children. In our callings. We don't have the right to recieve revelation for others unless we have certain keys given to us that give us authority over that person. If we did receive revelation in our sphere of authority towards someone else, they are entitled to recieve their own confirmation of that revelation. They have no obligation to take our word with it. In fact, the Lord encourages people not to.

That's something I love about the Gospel. You don't have to take my word about it. I dont have to take someone elses word about it. If the Lord reveals a principle of the Gospel to His Apostles, I can recieve the same principle through the ministering of the Spirit.

Everything I've just wrote about is my own experience and understanding of the way the Lord speaks with us. And like I said, the beautiful part about it is you don't have to take my word for it. In fact, I encourage you not to take my word for it. Take it to the Lord. Wait upon Him. Seek Him out and follow Him.

So, I should have sold them the gear at cost?

 

[Avatar4321]

So, I should have sold them the gear at cost?

It's your business. You have a right to recieve your own revelation concerning it from God. No one else does. So if you have a question, ask Him personally.

 

[Avatar4321]

I was doing my daily scripture studies and came accross a passage that reminded me of this thread. I thought it was appropriate to share considering the topic of discussion:

And now it came to pass that there were a great multitude gathered together, of the people of Nephi, round about the temple which was in the land Bountiful; and they were marveling and wondering one with another, and were showing one to another the great and marvelous change which had taken place.

And they were also conversing about this Jesus Christ, of whom the sign had been given concerning his death.

And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice which they heard; and it was not a harsh voice, neither was it a loud voice; nevertheless, and notwithstanding it being a small voice it did pierce them that did hear to the center, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to burn.

And it came to pass that again they heard the voice, and they understood it not.

And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came.

And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them:

Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him.

And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.

And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:

Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.

And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.

And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven. (3 Nephi 11:1-12)

 

[daws101]

I was doing my daily scripture studies and came accross a passage that reminded me of this thread. I thought it was appropriate to share considering the topic of discussion:

And now it came to pass that there were a great multitude gathered together, of the people of Nephi, round about the temple which was in the land Bountiful; and they were marveling and wondering one with another, and were showing one to another the great and marvelous change which had taken place.

And they were also conversing about this Jesus Christ, of whom the sign had been given concerning his death.

And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice which they heard; and it was not a harsh voice, neither was it a loud voice; nevertheless, and notwithstanding it being a small voice it did pierce them that did hear to the center, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to burn.

And it came to pass that again they heard the voice, and they understood it not.

And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came.

And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them:

Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him.

And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.

And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:

Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.

And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.

And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven. (3 Nephi 11:1-12)

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